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Old Jul 18, 2007, 07:24 PM   #1
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Apple is hosting iPhone Tech Talks for web developers interested in optimizing their Web 2.0 applications for the Apple iPhone.
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After a morning of in-depth presentations and demonstrations, you'll work with the experts to design, code, debug and test your solutions on iPhone. Access to your code is required.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 07:34 PM   #2
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Will this is too bad, it seems they are really stuck on this web 2.0 stuff. I was hoping we would see apps sold via the itunes store.

Typical Apple, instead of thinking different, I just wish they would release the SDK already.

With that said, I love my iPhone though...
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 07:55 PM   #3
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Will this is too bad, it seems they are really stuck on this web 2.0 stuff. I was hoping we would see apps sold via the itunes store.

Typical Apple, instead of thinking different, I just wish they would release the SDK already
You know, while I wish they would release an SDK as much as you, I think that would be "not thinking diffferent." this whole web 2.0 business is thinking different.

I do think that if they want to keep forcing other developers to make web 2.0 apps, they darn well better expand their own app suite with some cool stuff.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 09:33 PM   #4
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You know, while I wish they would release an SDK as much as you, I think that would be "not thinking diffferent." this whole web 2.0 business is thinking different.

I do think that if they want to keep forcing other developers to make web 2.0 apps, they darn well better expand their own app suite with some cool stuff.
I was thinking the same thing, then saw that you'd posted it.

My principle problem with the web apps solution is not that it is slower, or only accessible via internet, but that there is simply NO WAY to do a lot of REALLY GREAT things that the iPhone COULD DO, with web apps. If that weren't bad enough Safari for iPhone is HORRIBLY CRIPPLED, making even normal web browser functions useless (e.g. fixed images, a way to set focus to an element, etc.).
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I was thinking the same thing, then saw that you'd posted it.

My principle problem with the web apps solution is not that it is slower, or only accessible via internet, but that there is simply NO WAY to do a lot of REALLY GREAT things that the iPhone COULD DO, with web apps. If that weren't bad enough Safari for iPhone is HORRIBLY CRIPPLED, making even normal web browser functions useless (e.g. fixed images, a way to set focus to an element, etc.).
well, not horribly crippled--but certainly not as capable as Safari on the Mac...
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 10:11 PM   #6
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I do think that if they want to keep forcing other developers to make web 2.0 apps, they darn well better expand their own app suite with some cool stuff.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Hopefully we will see some of this in an update soon. I was really thinking they would lead by example with a couple of cool apps, but they haven't.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 10:13 PM   #7
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screw web 2.0... i want real apps. If they don't want developers to do it then apple better get started writing some code
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screw web 2.0... i want real apps. If they don't want developers to do it then apple better get started writing some code
That right there is why Web 2.0 only-apps (i.e. Google Docs & Spreadsheets) haven't replaced desktop apps. Customers want the quality that desktop-style apps give them. That's why Apple should think differently in the right way and allow devs to write specifically for the iPhone.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 02:10 AM   #9
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gah! I'll be in LA the weekend before that. i'd love to hear what they have to say, tho. Seriously, they better reveal some darn cool tricks.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 08:26 AM   #10
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I am gonna continue to have faith that a real SDK will come out of Apple, perhaps during Leopard, or iPhone v1.1 or something. Apple isn't 100% behind the Web2.0 stuff (because there's no interface guideline or template from them, so we have all this garbage out there) and released it so we'd have SOMETHING to do while they figure out how to keep iPhone from crashing even with their own apps. And, as a previous poster said, you have to be on the net to use most of them (or, that data:// trick from an earlier blog post here).

With an actual SDK, we could replace that horrible "iPod" with something resembling the actual iPod. We could access the wifi and do a iStumbler app. We could write a better Mail client, because iPhone v1.0's Mail sucks balls. The Phone app is pretty perfect, though.

I just think Apple put all their code monkeys on making iPhone v1.0 usable and stable(ish), and even then it's mildly buggy. It's not only possible, but likely, that the APIs they're using to control the phone aren't all the way developed yet, and there probably isn't any set of common libraries (based on the fact that Notes, Weather, and Bookmarks are all completely different manifestations of a "list", implying there isn't a NSTableView yet. Perhaps they're all working towards a SDK for us as we complain.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 01:28 PM   #11
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That's very nice that Apple is going to teach people how to make more apps that are useless when you don't have a good GSM connection, but how about real applications like every other PDA-type phone has?

Here they bring this beautiful device to market with a great user interface and a big-time operating system, and all the developers with great ideas and proven track records (DataViz, Chapura, Iambic, Resco, etc.) are left sitting on their hands.

Having limited functionality on the original iPod never bothered me, because that type of device was new to me. But to introduce a device in a market where people are used to having a certain level of versatility and expandability... and lock it down like a child's toy... that's frustrating. I love the device, but web-based apps will not meet my needs.

Come on, Apple... make this product as useful a "smartphone" for me as my MacBook Pro is as a computer.
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I'd love to attend. Too far away though. Hopefully someone will fill us in after the fact.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:11 AM   #13
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I'd love to go too, but it's too far, and you can't buy the iPhone yet in my neck of the woods, so I'll have to make do with this:
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/
I hope they bring the iPhone Tech Talks to the UK though!
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