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Old Jul 24, 2003, 07:10 PM   #1
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Hussein's Brothers Bodies Pics Released(Warning graphic pics)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (July 24) - The United States released grisly photos Thursday to convince Iraqis that Saddam Hussein's sons were dead and to weaken support for an anti-American insurgency. But some Iraqis saw the pictures of the bloodied, bearded men as a ruse.

The photographs of Odai and Qusai Hussein were immediately broadcast by U.S.-sponsored Iraqi TV, CNN and two Arab satellite television networks widely viewed in Iraq. The Al-Sa'a newspaper held its front and back pages open to publish them Friday morning.

''This is a U.S. ploy to try to break the spirit of the resistance,'' said Jassim al-Robai, a computer engineer who was sharing an ice cream tart with two friends at a restaurant in Baghdad. After seeing the images, Al-Robai said he wasn't convinced that the brothers were killed in a gunbattle with U.S. soldiers.

At a Pentagon news conference, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said it was his decision to release photos of the dead sons and that it was ''not a close call.'' He did, however, acknowledge that it ran counter to the U.S. military's unwritten convention of not showing images of enemy war dead.

Some in the military preferred the photos of the bloodied bodies not be publicly released, out of concern for losing the moral high ground in arguing against such treatment of U.S. war dead in future conflicts.

Rumsfeld likened the circumstance to 1989 when Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu was overthrown and executed. ''It was not until the people of that country saw him - saw his body - that they actually believed that the fear and the threat that his regime posed to them was gone,'' Rumsfeld said.

Washington had hoped that the deaths of Odai and Qusai would weaken the insurgency, but an attack on a convoy Thursday killed three Americans from the division that led the assault on Saddam's sons' hide-out in the northern city of Mosul.

L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq, said Thursday that the deaths of Saddam's sons - and Iraqis' acceptance of this - ''will, in fact, in time help reduce the security threat to our forces.''

''I would not be surprised to see an uptick in violence against our forces,'' said Bremer, standing alongside Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. ''But I think in the long run it will also hopefully encourage more Iraqis to come and give us information about more Baathists.''

Two U.S.-military photos released Thursday showed a man identified as Qusai with bruises and blood spots around his eyes. That face was far more intact than the other, identified as Odai; the mouth was open and the teeth showing.

The face of what appeared to be Odai, the older brother, was severely bloodied. A gash ran from his left eye to the right corner of his mouth, and bruises and blood covered his bald forehead.

Both men were heavily bearded, which left some Iraqis speculating that they may have been trying mask their identities. They have been on the run since the regime collapsed April 9.

The photos showed the upper torsos of the men, who were bare-chested - one lying on bloody, white sheets, the other in what appeared to be a body bag. Both had their eyes closed, the lids darkly purpled.

Abbas Fadhil, a 44-year-old barbershop owner in Baghdad, said he had no doubts after seeing the pictures on Iraqi TV that the photographs were of the brothers.

''The doubts will remain because the coalition forces didn't show them from the front and the sides, didn't show their profiles,'' he said, adding Qusai's photograph was a perfect image of him.

''They should show more pictures to be more convincing,'' he said.

Alla Khalifa, 32, a barber in the shop, said he doubted the pictures of Odai were authentic because he appeared slightly overweight.

''Odai is a tall man and thin, but the picture shows him as short and thick,'' he said while shaving a customer's face.

While some in the Arab world criticized the United States for releasing what they believed were fake photographs, others argued that even if they were authentic, releasing them was wrong.

''When Iraq broadcast photos of dead American soldiers, the U.S. considered that against human rights,'' said Jordanian political analyst Sahar al-Qassem said. ''So, why are they violating that now by showing such inhumane pictures?''

Middle East television stations, magazines and newspapers regularly run images of the dead and dying - often Arab victims of Israeli-Palestinian clashes - that are more graphic than photographs carried in U.S. media. Saudi Arabia and Iran occasionally publicly execute criminals, saying Islam allows such displays as a deterrent.

The military paired the death pictures with the brothers' images in life for comparison. Also released were X-rays of Odai's leg that was severely injured and underwent reconstructive surgery after an assassination attempt in 1996.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said X-rays, dental records and four former members of Saddam's regime had confirmed that the dead men were Saddam's sons.

Forensics experts said the photographs offered few details to make specific identifications. Conclusive evidence would need to be collected in autopsies, they said.

''These photos are not really useful for forensic identification work,'' said Johnnie T. Wilson, a forensics expert in the Kansas City, Mo., crime laboratory. ''They don't show enough to comment on how good the work is.''

Odai, 39, and Qusai, 37, were killed in a gunbattle with U.S. forces after an Iraqi informant tipped the Americans to their presence, according to the military.

The military has said the brothers and a third man, believed to have been a bodyguard, were killed Tuesday by TOW missiles fired into the villa where they were hiding. A fourth person in the house, believed to be Qusai's teenage son Mustafa, was shot to death by troops storming the house after the missiles devastated it.

An Iraqi tipster led the United States to the brothers, weeks after the military offered a $15 million reward for information leading to the capture or death of either.

The next likely issue is what to do with the remains of Odai and Qusai.

A U.S. official with the civilian administration running the country said the group was consulting with the Governing Council of Iraq on how to bury the bodies. According to Islamic tradition, Muslims must be buried as soon as possible after their deaths.
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Old Jul 24, 2003, 07:11 PM   #2
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Kinda really looks like 'em dont u think? Kinda to much. Messed up with pics gonna update

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Old Jul 24, 2003, 07:38 PM   #3
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those are some sexy corpses
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What kinda of camera did they capure the images with?

Looks gray-scale era.

Anyway atleast we get to see them, is it me or do both the dead people's noses look bigger when they are dead?
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Old Jul 24, 2003, 08:04 PM   #5
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I lowered the quality of teh images so dial up users could see em fater
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I lowered the quality of teh images so dial up users could see em fater
If I remember correctly, vniow said she never had problems with size of images even in the thick of the image posting threads.
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Well I saved my trip to rotten.com today

nasty pictures, nasty people too but... where are the famus nuclear weapons?
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Old Jul 24, 2003, 11:51 PM   #9
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Well I saved my trip to rotten.com today

nasty pictures, nasty people too but... where are the famus nuclear weapons?
The WMD have yet to be found.

Yeah pretty sickening...

And BTW, I sent a private message to you like a week ago, you haven't read it yet, its located in the user cp...
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Old Jul 25, 2003, 03:32 AM   #10
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Well I saved my trip to rotten.com today

nasty pictures, nasty people too but... where are the famus nuclear weapons?
oh those misterious ones,
the ones they ve hidden in the desert ?

a month before the next election they will be found, beleive me...
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Old Jul 25, 2003, 07:36 AM   #11
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I find it rather disturbing that these pictures were released to the public, and are being shown around the world on the news. Isn't this exactly the type of thing Al-Jazeera was notorious for? They could have at least cleaned the corpses up a little before taking the photos. It's not like I have a delicate disposition (rotten.com rather tickles my fancy at times ), but when I see these pictures on the front page of a newspaper that any child could read, it worries me.

Surely some censorship should be in place here.

I realise that the US wants to try and convince everyone that they've actually got who it is they say they've got, but was it necessary to inflict these images on everyone? I think not.
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As Jon Stewart said, they released these pictures in iraq so iraqis wouldn't fear anymore of them, so...

Why did they realease these to the american public he gave a 'dunno' answer.

I think its cause they want to show that they can seem accomplished, we can kill the leader of the countries sons!

Obviously they were easier to kill then thoses WMD!
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Old Jul 25, 2003, 11:19 AM   #14
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I personally don't see anything wrong with the pictures. The ones that I've seen haven't been at all disturbing. My hope is that the pictures will bring the Iraqi people to realize that the Saddam regime is over. That the attacks on our troops will end!
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I think its cause they want to show that they can seem accomplished, we can kill the leader of the countries sons!

Obviously they were easier to kill then thoses WMD!
Umm, weren't they some of highest leaders of Iraq? It's not like they were just his sons running around solving crimes and baking pies, they were homicidal dictators. Why were they released in America? umm because CNN, FOX and the like took the pictures that were given overseas and shot them here for ratings. Big wonder. The ARMY didn't walk around giving away tshirts with Saddam's Sons dead pictures on them reading "I killed two ruthless dictators and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

As for the WMD, just wait, it took months to find two of the most wanted men in their cousin's house, I can imagine they're having a hard time finding WMD that are actually hidden. Though it seems to me that they just put an end to two real WMD.
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Well I saved my trip to rotten.com today

nasty pictures, nasty people too but... where are the famus nuclear weapons?
and biological weapons and the 911 al queida connection.
i assume saddams sons would have used wmd by now, it might be them, but we are good with fx and makeup in america, we are violating all of are rules set down by pres ford assasinating people, this was not an act of war, or defence, we have become a large isreal, invade if you feel threaten, occupy, oppress, attack without being attack, arrest with no charges, or lawyer or no rights given. shoot a missle in a crowded square to get one alleged terrorist.
we are becoming terrorist ourselves, is it wrong to do this and parade thier surgically reattachted bodies? i dont know, but we have lost basic decency, this our still humans, and what of the 1000,s we killed of innocent with our bobmbing i have not seen one, i know are bombs are not that smart, and we will get this back in return.
yea they were evil and killed 1000's of iranians with that war and 1000's of iraq's that rose up to overtake thier government at the end of desert storm, which we supported and gave wmd and turned our backs on the innocent there. they killed to protect thier corrupt gov. and power. what nation hasnot done that (civil war, rev war) etc.
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The ARMY didn't walk around giving away tshirts with Saddam's Sons dead pictures on them reading "I killed two ruthless dictators and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

G5: this is effectively what they are doing now.

As for the WMD, just wait, it took months to find two of the most wanted men in their cousin's house, I can imagine they're having a hard time finding WMD that are actually hidden. Though it seems to me that they just put an end to two real WMD. [/B][/QUOTE]

G5: i agree we will find them, but they we be planted by us, this is why we kicked out all independant inspectors and everyone knows this.
the ruthless saddam refuses to use wmd which we had
proof "colin powell" they had. even when he nows the gig is up. now let show the civilians we killed and maimed.
our soldiers are know gonna be treated like dirt if captured no more jessica lynch.
she will be rapped and murdered next time
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liuttle boy where's he?

if they really wanted proof they would show the teenage son they popped with bullets
oh no america not like that?
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*looks up*

*ahem* walk away from the nice crazy man. Yes yes, Pepsi sponsored the war, uh huh, keeep walking...awaaaay...oh yes, I'm sure Bush is Hitler and Ghandi's love child, yes yes...dang where's that escape door?
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The pictures wen

ahh too much eh, can we like link to them for people who haven't seen them yet?
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Suck Aol homepage. pictures there nontheless. here

Someone post a link with the story and picts. Im too lazy
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Obviously they were easier to kill then thoses WMD!
You mean the Weapons of Mass Dissapearance?
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i know its not right to celebrate over the death of someone, but still the way the newspapers in my area portrayed these people was absolutely disgusting.

I think it was the seattle post intelligencer that had this headline:

"Saddam's sons murdered in fierce gunfight" or something to that effect. I am appalled.

Need I, truly explain why?
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You mean the Weapons of Mass Dissapearance?
I'm sure they will turn up closer then you think.
Think in our own country.

So now that we have accomplished killing people can we move on to finding WMD, and giving the people or Iraq basic survices like food, water, shelter, and maybe electricity?
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