iChat AV Beta Build 112

MacRumors · 02:11 AM

Apple continues to work on iChat AV Beta revisions, and is privately testing Build 112.

The latest build provides some bug fixes and small enhancements, but no major new features. Reports indicate there are still some stability issues and camera recognition issues. One reported feature is a menu option to easily place a user that you are chatting with into your Block list.

iChat AV 1.0 Final is due later this year and will be included with Mac OS X Panther. Jaguar users will be able to purchase the final version for $29.95.

imaswitcheryeah · 02:02 PM

Awesome... they really need to work on a few bugs... AND ADD AUTO-REPLY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!

jimthorn · Jul 25, 2003, 01:45 AM

Does anyone know if any of the beta builds are going to be publicly available, like the occasional Safari betas were? I hope we don't have to wait until the final...

Nermal · Jul 25, 2003, 02:03 AM

I don't use iChat much, and have never used the AV features, but it's good to know that they're working on it and improving it.

I assumed this was a public update, I ran Software Update and it didn't give me anything, but since I don't use it much I didn't bother looking on the iChat website. But I guess you've already looked there?

arn · Jul 25, 2003, 02:12 AM

nope... not a public version.

(I added "private" to the article)

arn

Huked on Fonick · Jul 25, 2003, 02:42 AM

I chat needs alot of work, it should still be in beta, ichat AV isent much better but at least they made it so u type more than 1 line at a time

xmad · Jul 25, 2003, 02:47 AM

Will Jaguar users who spent $150 on an iSight have to pay the 30 for iChat AV?

arn · Jul 25, 2003, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xmad
Will Jaguar users who spent $150 on an iSight have to pay the 30 for iChat AV?

seems so

arn

canucknyc · Jul 25, 2003, 03:34 AM

Is there anything we can do. Just bought 2 isights and now I find out I'll have to pay for iChat av?
That sound like it will piss some people off, including me.

AhmedFaisal · Jul 25, 2003, 04:21 AM

... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve

!

Ahmed

Nebrie · Jul 25, 2003, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve !

Ahmed

So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.

AhmedFaisal · 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nebrie
So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.

Btw. (since I can't even delete my own accidental double posts) Open Standards are not everything, especially if there is others that are already established.

Ahmed

AhmedFaisal · Jul 25, 2003, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nebrie
So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.

http://www.instantmessagingplanet.co...le.php/2184811

Read yourself. At the moment they are not allowed to do it, doing it within their AOL software already is already going against the FCC ruling and will not help them very much when they try to convince the FCC to overturn it.

Fact is that at the moment there is 2 major IM Services that use VC on Windows, which ist MSN & Yahoo! those are established and everybody uses it. Neither will switch to use Apple's great but useless standard just to please Apple. Also basically none of the PC users will switch to yet another IM client so they can VC with the 3-5% folks out there that happen to have a Mac, they will tell them to use Yahoo! or MSN (which unfortunately doesn't have VC on the Mac). If VC were something new the situation would be different, but it is not, Apple is the late starter in this thing so they should stick to what is already established, which is MSN or Yahoo, especially since MSN is built into Windows. Instead of developing their little island solution they should have talked to MS about letting them write a compatible Chat client. The AV Feature is great but it comes into an already established, saturated market so I can predict that nobody will use it besides Apple and even AOL might not if they ever get the FCC ruling overturned.

Ahmed

sandsl · Jul 25, 2003, 07:23 AM

Apple doesn't need to get permission or "work with" Microsoft to get a MSN compatible video conferencing client working - there is already an open source, although not brilliant, program that lets Mac users video conference with PC users who use NetMeeting.

So the point is Apple chose not to use a compatible service with the competition. The reason is obivous: quality. All the other major video conferencing solutions including NetMeeting, MSN and Yahoo use crappy video codecs compared to what Apple is using for iChat.

Its pretty clear to me that Apple set out to make the best quality solution (like they do with everything) and don't intend to stop Mac users Video conferencing to PC users - its just one of the down falls of using a better, newer codec.

theranch · Jul 25, 2003, 07:33 AM

We need to be able to use iChat AV on a G3 based machine! We have a new ibook that is loaded but can't use the new iChat AV even though the installer's required system says we can (Apple later changed this on their site). It works great on my G4 though! We use it weekly and find it a great communication tool....now I don't waste money on long distance calls to family members.

gopher · Jul 25, 2003, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theranch
We need to be able to use iChat AV on a G3 based machine! We have a new ibook that is loaded but can't use the new iChat AV even though the installer's required system says we can (Apple later changed this on their site). It works great on my G4 though! We use it weekly and find it a great communication tool....now I don't waste money on long distance calls to family members.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20203

This software allows USB cams and older G3s to use iChat.

AppleMatt · Jul 25, 2003, 09:06 AM

Shall we bring this discussion back to the iChat AV beta? There's no point fighting.

Feel the love.

I'd actually like all the bugs fixed before they go adding new features. Although iChat isn't feature-full, I think bugs are a higher priority (yes I saw one line typing as a bug)

Also...poor iSight/Jaguar users. Maybe Steve will come up with something, that is quite harsh. I'll be upgrading to Panther, but that's another $129. So it's;

Jaguar - $129
iSight - $149
iChat - $29.95
=======
Total - 307.95

Or, if you upgrade to Panther instead...$407. Ouch.

AppleMatt

fabsgwu · 06:08 PM

I still don't understand why iChat leaves out some pretty basic, and in my opinion, essential features found in AIM. For example, allowing a group view--I've gotten used to associating certain buddies with a certain position on my buddy list (as I have like 175 buddies). Also, I would like easier ways to get info and add buddies.

Most of all, I miss the profile found in AIM. Life just isn't the same if I can't link my website and put random quotes in my profile!

________
EDIT:

Also, what about Alerts like AIM, but not just regular alerts--something "innovative" like msn-style pop-ups... (did I just say msn and innovative in the same sentence?)

iJon · Jul 25, 2003, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve !

Ahmed

whiner whiner whiner. why dont you get it through your head, apple always does this. they treat their mac users to their incredible stuff (imagine that

). if everything works well and better than though, a windows version will follow, just like the ipod. oh and let me know how that demand goes with panther, im sure they will be happy to meet your demands

.

iJon

cbrantly · Jul 25, 2003, 10:16 AM

Have you used iChat AV? It does support groups.

Kid Red · Jul 25, 2003, 10:18 AM

Wow, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that it's going to cost $30. So is Apple setting a standard here-that all new iApps will cost?

AhmedFaisal · Jul 25, 2003, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sandsl
Apple doesn't need to get permission or "work with" Microsoft to get a MSN compatible video conferencing client working - there is already an open source, although not brilliant, program that lets Mac users video conference with PC users who use NetMeeting.

Do you have an URL for that? What's the prog called?
Cheers,

Ahmed

iJon · Jul 25, 2003, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kid Red
Wow, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that it's going to cost $30. So is Apple setting a standard here-that all new iApps will cost?

its called marketing, people will instead buy panther most likely. for as powerful as ichat av and how much fun it is with an isight i would gladly pay 30 for it. i dont think apple is setting a standard for charging. they have given us imovie, iphoto, idvd, itunes, ical, isync, ichat which i glady use all day. and they give it to us free on top of a kick ass OS. now they are giving us ichat av free with a another kick ass OS or for a small fee of 30 dollars. if you use this to talk to people over the country or world it will pay for itself not having to use long distance. its truly a remarkable program and is incredible what apple is doing, i thik 30 is more than fair.

iJon

Potus · Jul 25, 2003, 10:51 AM

I've not been successful w/ iChat. In fact IM has been gone from my life since I left AOL completely two years ago (oh happy day!). Would like to be able to use it but somehow doesn't seem worth the effort. Willing to work with it if y'all think it's worthwhile...

killmoms · Jul 25, 2003, 11:00 AM

I like some things about iChat, but it's going to be hard to leave Trillian behind when I get my PowerBook. I haven't yet found a messenger client that I've been more happy with.

Mostly, I wish iChat could do raw text logging, not prettied up HTML proprietary format stuff. I have 15 or so MB in AIM chat logs from Trillian over the last year and a half and don't want to lose them.

Profiles would be nice too.

--Matt

Jul 25, 2003, 01:14 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	iChat AV Beta Build 112 Apple continues to work on iChat AV Beta revisions, and is privately testing Build 112. The latest build provides some bug fixes and small enhancements, but no major new features. Reports indicate there are still some stability issues and camera recognition issues. One reported feature is a menu option to easily place a user that you are chatting with into your Block list. iChat AV 1.0 Final is due later this year and will be included with Mac OS X Panther. Jaguar users will be able to purchase the final version for $29.95. Last edited by arn : Jul 25, 2003 at 02:11 AM.

Jul 25, 2003, 01:35 AM	#2
imaswitcheryeah macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Awesome... they really need to work on a few bugs... AND ADD AUTO-REPLY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!! __________________ I switched August 22, 2002. Mac Pro 2.66GHz/8GB/300GB VelociR Mac mini 2.16GHz/2GB/40" Bravia XBR2 MBP 15" 2.53GHz/4GB/128GB SSD iPhone 3G 16GB Last edited by Rower_CPU : Sep 18, 2003 at 02:02 PM.

Jul 25, 2003, 01:45 AM	#3
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:42 AM	#6
Huked on Fonick macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In a cardboard shackle.	Ichat needs alot of work I chat needs alot of work, it should still be in beta, ichat AV isent much better but at least they made it so u type more than 1 line at a time __________________ Computers are like air conditioners. Running them with windows open doesn't work.

Jul 25, 2003, 03:34 AM	#9
canucknyc macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York	Come On Is there anything we can do. Just bought 2 isights and now I find out I'll have to pay for iChat av? That sound like it will piss some people off, including me. __________________ "They say that these are not the best of times bet they're the only times I've ever known." B.JOEL

Jul 25, 2003, 02:03 AM	#4
Nermal Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Whakatane, New Zealand	I don't use iChat much, and have never used the AV features, but it's good to know that they're working on it and improving it. I assumed this was a public update, I ran Software Update and it didn't give me anything, but since I don't use it much I didn't bother looking on the iChat website. But I guess you've already looked there?

Jul 25, 2003, 02:12 AM	#5
arn macrumors god Join Date: Apr 2001	nope... not a public version. (I added "private" to the article) arn

Jul 25, 2003, 02:47 AM	#7
xmad macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002	Will Jaguar users who spent $150 on an iSight have to pay the 30 for iChat AV?

Jul 25, 2003, 04:21 AM	#10
AhmedFaisal macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somewhere in Germany	Still yet another useless island solution... ... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve ! Ahmed

Jul 25, 2003, 07:23 AM	#14
sandsl macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2002	Apple doesn't need to get permission or "work with" Microsoft to get a MSN compatible video conferencing client working - there is already an open source, although not brilliant, program that lets Mac users video conference with PC users who use NetMeeting. So the point is Apple chose not to use a compatible service with the competition. The reason is obivous: quality. All the other major video conferencing solutions including NetMeeting, MSN and Yahoo use crappy video codecs compared to what Apple is using for iChat. Its pretty clear to me that Apple set out to make the best quality solution (like they do with everything) and don't intend to stop Mac users Video conferencing to PC users - its just one of the down falls of using a better, newer codec.

Jul 25, 2003, 07:33 AM	#15
theranch macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlantic City area	iChat AV on a G3 based machine...not We need to be able to use iChat AV on a G3 based machine! We have a new ibook that is loaded but can't use the new iChat AV even though the installer's required system says we can (Apple later changed this on their site). It works great on my G4 though! We use it weekly and find it a great communication tool....now I don't waste money on long distance calls to family members.

Jul 25, 2003, 09:06 AM	#17
AppleMatt macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK	Shall we bring this discussion back to the iChat AV beta? There's no point fighting. Feel the love. I'd actually like all the bugs fixed before they go adding new features. Although iChat isn't feature-full, I think bugs are a higher priority (yes I saw one line typing as a bug) Also...poor iSight/Jaguar users. Maybe Steve will come up with something, that is quite harsh. I'll be upgrading to Panther, but that's another $129. So it's; Jaguar - $129 iSight - $149 iChat - $29.95 ======= Total - 307.95 Or, if you upgrade to Panther instead...$407. Ouch. AppleMatt

Jul 25, 2003, 09:07 AM	#18
fabsgwu macrumors regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington, DC	Many AIM features still missing. I still don't understand why iChat leaves out some pretty basic, and in my opinion, essential features found in AIM. For example, allowing a group view--I've gotten used to associating certain buddies with a certain position on my buddy list (as I have like 175 buddies). Also, I would like easier ways to get info and add buddies. Most of all, I miss the profile found in AIM. Life just isn't the same if I can't link my website and put random quotes in my profile! ________ EDIT: Also, what about Alerts like AIM, but not just regular alerts--something "innovative" like msn-style pop-ups... (did I just say msn and innovative in the same sentence?) Last edited by fabsgwu : Jul 25, 2003 at 06:08 PM.

Jul 25, 2003, 10:16 AM	#20
cbrantly macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002	uh... Have you used iChat AV? It does support groups.

Jul 25, 2003, 10:18 AM	#21
Kid Red macrumors 65816 Join Date: Dec 2001	Wow, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that it's going to cost $30. So is Apple setting a standard here-that all new iApps will cost?

Jul 25, 2003, 10:51 AM	#24
Potus macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2002	I've not been successful w/ iChat. In fact IM has been gone from my life since I left AOL completely two years ago (oh happy day!). Would like to be able to use it but somehow doesn't seem worth the effort. Willing to work with it if y'all think it's worthwhile...

Jul 25, 2003, 11:00 AM	#25
killmoms macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington, DC	I like some things about iChat, but it's going to be hard to leave Trillian behind when I get my PowerBook. I haven't yet found a messenger client that I've been more happy with. Mostly, I wish iChat could do raw text logging, not prettied up HTML proprietary format stuff. I have 15 or so MB in AIM chat logs from Trillian over the last year and a half and don't want to lose them. Profiles would be nice too. --Matt __________________ killmoms.com - Well, don't really. Goodbye Velocity and Yaseko, say hello to... Henrietta: 15" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz C2D, 2GB RAM Kyoko: 8GB iPhone

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