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Old Sep 14, 2007, 06:29 PM   #1
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battery charge out of the box?

So, how much battery charge does the Touch have out of the box?

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Old Sep 14, 2007, 06:31 PM   #2
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So, how much battery charge does the Touch have out of the box?

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the battery right when you buy it, or after you first charge it then use it?
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Old Sep 14, 2007, 06:35 PM   #3
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im pretty sure he means immediately out of the box without charging it.
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Old Sep 14, 2007, 06:36 PM   #4
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Mine was about 80% charged. It was near full after my first sync.
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Old Sep 14, 2007, 06:40 PM   #5
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No matter how charged it is, allow it to charge fully before using. Not doing so can durastically affect it's playtime down the line.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:32 AM   #6
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No matter how charged it is, allow it to charge fully before using. Not doing so can durastically affect it's playtime down the line.
Is that true? I thought new batteries didn't have that issue. Can anyone 100% confirm that fact?
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:43 AM   #7
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I thought for all rechargable batteries you had to let them completely die first before doing a full charge. For best results, at least.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:48 AM   #8
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I thought for all rechargable batteries you had to let them completely die first before doing a full charge. For best results, at least.
Apparantly this is only with nickel-plated batteries and not the lithium-ion batteries used in the ipod. However, laptop batteries must be fully charged before any used to reduce the possibility of the 'memory effect'.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:48 AM   #9
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I thought for all rechargable batteries you had to let them completely die first before doing a full charge. For best results, at least.
Eh, depends on the type of battery. (Someone post a link for this I'm tired.)
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:53 AM   #10
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as with cavemonkey, my iPod touch (that I am typing from now) came with about a 75-80% full battery.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 04:06 AM   #11
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Is that true? I thought new batteries didn't have that issue. Can anyone 100% confirm that fact?
Yep, my iPod Nano only charged to 80% when I first got it. I was too excited to leave it there without being used .
I've payed for it ever since with piss-poor battery life. I think the longest it ever performed was around 8-9hrs of music playback.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 04:13 AM   #12
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If you let a lithim-ion battery drain completely you will shorten its life. Their most efficient use is frequent topups (which is handy because that's how they mostly get used anyway).

Memory effect doesn't exist on these types of batteries but they will degrade over time.. that's unavoidable. You should get at least a couple of years out of it though.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 06:23 AM   #13
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as with cavemonkey, my iPod touch (that I am typing from now) came with about a 75-80% full battery.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 06:28 AM   #14
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If you let a lithim-ion battery drain completely you will shorten its life. Their most efficient use is frequent topups (which is handy because that's how they mostly get used anyway).

Memory effect doesn't exist on these types of batteries but they will degrade over time.. that's unavoidable. You should get at least a couple of years out of it though.
I fly RC electric planes and have used Li-Ion and Li-Poly batteries for years. A typical power setup on one of my planes can pull anywhere from 10 to 30 amps! When you're working with power potentials that can easily kill you, one takes due care to learn about the technology intimately.


Draining Lithium batteries pass their low threshold (or "low voltage") point can, indeed, ruin them beyond repair. However, the firmware will stop drawing a significant pull on the battery in order to protect the battery from entering this state. Attempting to re-charge a damaged Lithium battery can result in a fire, so you can rest assured that the hardware manufacturers have this notion foremost in their mind.

Draining a Lithium battery "completely" does not imply that the remaining voltage in the battery has gone below the low voltage threshold. Rather, it implies that the lowest safe voltage (and remaining milliamp storage capacity of the battery) has been encountered. We can presume that the designers have allowed a "reasonable" amount of time for the battery to remain in this state before falling off into the dangerous low voltage point.

If the iPod designers routinely allowed the cut off point (the alarm notification in the iPod that instructs the user to re-charge the battery) to be the point where actual damage was beginning to commence within the iPod battery, not only would it be a bad design decision, it would be a safety hazard as well.


Lithium batteries don't suffer from reduced performance or the "memory effect" that plagues Nickel-Cadmium battery technology (which are rarely encountered in portable media anymore these days due to their size and weight), but one limitation of Lithium based batteries is that there is a set of "life cycles" that will determine how many times that the internal material will accept and provide electrons. While frequent charging doesn't harm a Lithium based battery, each charge does shorten the life cycle a bit.

The general prevailing notion is that if you're going to charge, you might has well make a full use of a charge instead of merely topping them off. It's a simple decision based on the economy of maximizing the life cycles. As the end of the battery life is encountered, the capacity of the battery will start to diminish and will eventually fail altogether.


Also, consider the notion that the life cycles of these batteries are on the scale of several hundreds (if not thousands) of times. By the time that the battery has truly been used to full capacity, the iPod model will have stepped to the next generation of its release.

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Old Sep 15, 2007, 06:39 AM   #15
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If the iPod designers routinely allowed the cut off point (the alarm notification in the iPod that instructs the user to re-charge the battery) to be the point where actual damage was beginning to commence within the iPod battery, not only would it be a bad design decision, it would be a safety hazard as well.
Damage occurs before that point.. I've been looking for the link and lost it but essentially they took batteries through charge/discharge regimes and found that if you used full cycles the battery lifetime was shortened quite considerably.

A charge cycle btw. isn't the number of times you charge it, so.. I refer you to the apple site for clarification http://www.apple.com/batteries/

"For instance, you could listen to your iPod for a few hours one day, using half its power, and then recharge it fully. If you did the same thing the next day, it would count as one charge cycle, not two, so you may take several days to complete a cycle."
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