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Leopard - Will it open up to all hardware?

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MacVault

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Anyone think one of Leopard's still-top-secret features will be support for non-Apple hardware? I know... I'm dreaming 🙁 I just don't want Steve Jobs deciding for me whether or not I live in an all-in-one-world.

Give me Leopard on a cheapo dell mini-tower and I'll forgive you, Steve 😀
 
MacVault said:
Anyone think one of Leopard's still-top-secret features will be support for non-Apple hardware? I know... I'm dreaming 🙁 I just don't want Steve Jobs deciding for me whether or not I live in an all-in-one-world.

Give me Leopard on a cheapo dell mini-tower and I'll forgive you, Steve 😀
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Hell no, for the exact reason you just gave. I do not want to see OS X on a cheapo Dell
 
PCs are an open platform. If Leopard was released for generic PCs without massive beta testing with all the various video cards, motherboards, etc., the release would be an absolute disaster and do 1,000 times for harm than the Dadaist poetry generated by the Newton did for Apple. What a terrible idea this would be. Short the stock if it happens.

Don't worry though. It won't happen.
 
Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple 😡 Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡
 
MacVault said:
Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple 😡 Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡
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Actually, Hardware Lock is the the single biggest benefit to OSX. By not having to support millions of untested configurations you can make it run without flaws on a few select configurations.
 
swiftaw said:
Actually, Hardware Lock is the the single biggest benefit to OSX. By not having to support millions of untested configurations you can make it run without flaws on a few select configurations.
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That's not a great argument IMHO. If you take a look at what can be achieved with OSX86 you will see that OSX(86) can run just as reliably on dell / ibm / whatever kit as it can on Apple kit. I would not take much effort to write apple "certified" drivers / kexts for other hardware. Take for instance graphics cards/drivers NVidia / ATI / Intel have it all sown up already they must figure in 90% of all laptops and desktops that kind of dominance must make driver development much easier. And lets be fair Apple already develop drivers for all of those manufacturers............

And having a few selected platforms hardly leads to "no flaws".....my mac mini was banging and popping for a few weeks because of some powersaving thing that was broken in a software update.....
 
MacVault said:
Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple 😡 Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡
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If you want OS X buy a Mac, its pretty simple. Why would Apple want to sell OS X separately and lose out out all the $$ in hardware sales
 
MacVault said:
Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple 😡 Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡
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You've been a member here for over 5 years that this comes as a surprise to you? Have you been under a rock without internet for the past 5 years?

Hardware locking has been Apple's MO from the beginning, why would it change now?
 
No.


Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple @$%^ Apple @$%^ Apple
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Yes. Because you have run ALL the internal apple numbers and have found they would make more money by running OS X on any ol' PC.

Sure.
 
MacVault may be too young to remember when Apple licensed it's OS to other makers. I doubt Jobs wants to put Apple through that nightmare again.
 
MacHipster said:
MacVault may be too young to remember when Apple licensed it's OS to other makers. I doubt Jobs wants to put Apple through that nightmare again.
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Ha! I remember the Mac clones very well. I had a PowerComputing box. It was ugly, but it ran OS 8 just fine.

The problem was that Apple's OS was licensed only to certain [crappy] manufacturers rather than open to all hardware.

So.. since jobs doesn't want to put Apple through that nightmare again, then Apple's customers will instead be put through the nightmare of having Steve Jobs/Apple decide what kind of limited hardware options we can have on which to run the World's Most Advanced OS 😡
 
MacVault said:
Anyone think one of Leopard's still-top-secret features will be support for non-Apple hardware? I know... I'm dreaming 🙁 I just don't want Steve Jobs deciding for me whether or not I live in an all-in-one-world.

Give me Leopard on a cheapo dell mini-tower and I'll forgive you, Steve 😀
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Yes, and on the same day you'll be able to buy a BigMac in Burger King, and Coca-Cola will release an ad saying "Drink Coke - or Pepsi, it's all the same really"
 
MacVault said:
Ha! I remember the Mac clones very well. I had a PowerComputing box. It was ugly, but it ran OS 8 just fine.

The problem was that Apple's OS was licensed only to certain [crappy] manufacturers rather than open to all hardware.

So.. since jobs doesn't want to put Apple through that nightmare again, then Apple's customers will instead be put through the nightmare of having Steve Jobs/Apple decide what kind of limited hardware options we can have on which to run the World's Most Advanced OS 😡
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I'm very happy with Apple's hardware offering. I love how the software and hardware work together. The day OS X runs on crappy PC's is the day I go back to using an abacus...
 
MacVault said:
Ok, if you guys are right then @$%^ Apple 😡 Hardware-lock-in is the biggest single flaw in OS X. @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡 @$%^ Apple 😡
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Do you know why OS X is more stable than any other OS?

That's because hardware-lock-in!
 
DrAtheist said:
Yes, and on the same day you'll be able to buy a BigMac in Burger King, and Coca-Cola will release an ad saying "Drink Coke - or Pepsi, it's all the same really"
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HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😀 too funny.....and yes pepsi and coke are thesame thing D: )


Stampyhead said:
I'm very happy with Apple's hardware offering. I love how the software and hardware work together. The day OS X runs on crappy PC's is the day I go back to using an abacus...
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Screw the abacus I'll switch back to lil stone pebbles!
 
1) Steve Jobs has quoted Alan Kay in the past, saying that "people who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

2) Apple makes their real money on hardware, not software.

I could go on if anyone wants and talk about bloat and such.
 
MacVault said:
Give me Leopard on a cheapo dell mini-tower and I'll forgive you, Steve 😀
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The secret recipe to why Mac OS X is so wonderful is in the hardware. Asking for OS X to run on a Dell is like suggesting that McDonalds serve steaks with their existing equipment (high watt microwaves and deep fryers). Does that make any sense?
 
Why would Apple charge Mac users $129 for a Mac OS X upgrade and PC users $129 for a brand new OS?
 
Duff-Man says...another topic that has been beaten to death countless times. It ain't going to happen, get over it, it does *not* make sense to do so in the big Apple picture.....oh yeah!
 
elppa said:
Why would Apple charge Mac users $129 for a Mac OS X upgrade and PC users $129 for a brand new OS?
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Right now I'm using my first Mac so I've never used a Mac OS X install disc other than the restore disc that comes with the computer.

I could be wrong about this but isn't the Tiger disc a full version of the OS as opposed to an upgrade like how Microsoft offers an upgrade version and a full version of Windows.

So is the retail Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger disc an upgrade disc or a full version disc? Whatever it has, Leopard probably has the same type of installer.
 
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