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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:03 PM   #1
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Voice Over IP on the iPhone



Endgadget posts a video demo of an iPhone successfully making a phone call over IP. The demo was provided by a company called Truphone who announced today. From the press release:
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1. Many people have called for true VoIP calling on Apple's iPhone. Truphone will today prove that it is possible using the iPhone's in-built Wi-Fi capability.
2. Truphone's demonstration will comprise two iPhones connected to Wi-Fi on the DEMOfall 07 stage. A VoIP call will be initiated from one handset, routed via Wi-Fi and the Internet to Truphone's servers, and then back again to the access point and onwards to the destination handset -- a 100% IP phone call.
3. Today's event will be a live demonstration only and is not a commercial launch of Truphone on the iPhone.
4. Truphone does not need to unlock the SIM in order to operate its service for the iPhone.
Voice over IP (VOIP) allows users to use the internet to transmit their voice calles, bypassing AT&T's cellular network (and billing).

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:07 PM   #2
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Awesome, not too long until this is easy...hopefully by the time the UK gets the phone
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:26 PM   #3
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i just read this on engadget and it is soo friggin cool! I can't wait!
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:26 PM   #4
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This is great!! True voIP...
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:31 PM   #5
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me thinks at&t isn't happy about this development
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:45 PM   #6
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I think AT&T is aware that iPhone is a full blown computer, and they are not able to stop this kind of development. And frankly speaking I guess Apple is silently cheering
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:46 PM   #7
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This was one of those things I was sure the iPhone couldn't do.
I am really happy and excited about this development.
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:53 PM   #8
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This is great!! True voIP...
Not quite. Though I can overlook the length it takes to call out now as that will surely be remedied soon. However there have been no inroads made towards receiving calls via VoIP. Not to mention you would also be unable to utilize AT&Ts Voicemail with this method at all, let alone Visual Voicemail. Unfortunately, until AT&T (or T-Mobile) is willing to release this as a product it will not function as well as it should and thus will not permeate the primary population.
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 08:20 PM   #9
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Unfortunately, until AT&T (or T-Mobile) is willing to release this as a product it will not function as well as it should and thus will not permeate the primary population.
T-Mobile already has this service that will switch calls from WiFi to Cell and back again as you travel from WiFI AP to another. The calls made on the WiFi network are free. They have 2 phones currently that do this. It was released in June just before the iPhone started selling.

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 09:18 PM   #10
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I'd be extremely interested in finding out how capable the ipod touch would be with this here method.

Unless it uses some fancy workaround on files that wouldn't be present on the ipod touch.

Just a thought.
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 09:25 PM   #11
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I'd be extremely interested in finding out how capable the ipod touch would be with this here method.

Unless it uses some fancy workaround on files that wouldn't be present on the ipod touch.

Just a thought.
No Mic, No speaker, No phone.

VoIP will be an iphone reality from Apple/ATT, just not anytime soon.
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While cool, it's not that exciting for a few reasons.

1) Current cell plans give plenty of minutes (my wife and I never use all of our minutes. I think we have over 2000 on rollover).

2) VOIP only works while in a WiFi area.

3) Not feasible for use in cities while walking around town or in the car.

So, while it's great while you're in your house, etc. This is NOT going to replace your cell phone.

However, if would be nice to use your iPhone as a cell phone while abroad and as your "landline" while at home. Too bad VOIP quality pales in comparison to good old copper ... at least that's what I hear from people who have had it.
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I'd be extremely interested in finding out how capable the ipod touch would be with this here method.

Unless it uses some fancy workaround on files that wouldn't be present on the ipod touch.

Just a thought.
yeah, but one problem, the touch does not have a mic. Even the earphone jack doesn't have a third pin for a mic. You'll have to connect one through the dock.
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While cool, it's not that exciting for a few reasons.
The real significance is international calling and a decidedly lower minutes plan for those that own a home office.
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 10:43 PM   #15
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While cool, it's not that exciting for a few reasons.

1) Current cell plans give plenty of minutes (my wife and I never use all of our minutes. I think we have over 2000 on rollover).

2) VOIP only works while in a WiFi area.

3) Not feasible for use in cities while walking around town or in the car.

So, while it's great while you're in your house, etc. This is NOT going to replace your cell phone.

However, if would be nice to use your iPhone as a cell phone while abroad and as your "landline" while at home. Too bad VOIP quality pales in comparison to good old copper ... at least that's what I hear from people who have had it.

As somebody said, it's the international calling that is useful. Also, I've used VOIP as my main phone line for years and it has become as good, or almost as good, as regular copper lines. My service also has a function that allows me to dial in to access my voip line through my cell phone. That seems like a better solution, quite frankly.

Still, this is a great development and I;m sure a lot of people will use it as wifi becomes more widespread all over the place. Cool!
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 11:15 PM   #16
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this is soooo excellent
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this is great because minneapolis just got a city-wide network!
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Old Sep 27, 2007, 01:12 AM   #18
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I suspect the threat of VOIP (to AT&T, and thus to Apple's commercial agreement) is one of the main reasons why Apple hasn't opened the iPhone to developers.

It's just a matter of time.

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Old Sep 27, 2007, 04:46 AM   #19
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For this to be fully usefull it must be fully integrated withe current phone part so it will be just as easy to make a voip call as an regular call.

And you shuld be able to use EFGE with room to spare make an VOIP call, an voip call requires 90 Kbps.
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Old Sep 27, 2007, 05:52 AM   #20
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Wow, this could be very good for me. I'm planning on going for the £35 a month o2 deal, which leaves me with 200 minutes calling only. But since my house is bathed in WiFi I could easily save myself those precious minutes. My girlfriend's place is the same.

Oo, and the trains I get have WiFi on them (The Cloud, I believe). This would be very excellent as phone signals just go haywire on them.

I look forward to this!
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Oo, and the trains I get have WiFi on them (The Cloud, I believe). This would be very excellent as phone signals just go haywire on them.

Which trains are these? You're in Manchester too yes?

I'm 100% my trains won't - stopper coming in from Warrington, they're the worst trains on the network.

I was reasonably impressed when I looked into Cloud coverage on their site. In fact to pass the time until the iPhone arrives I'm getting a Touch to see how the Cloud service fairs.
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I agree with all your all your points, especially about collecting so many rollover minutes, and with mobile-to-mobile, we have the equivalent of a monster family plan at the cheapest monthly rate. One thing: VOIP quality is *better* than traditional landline, when it's good. At least our dedicated VOIP service separate from our broadband provider is better, when it's spot-on; problem is, it's highly sensitive to network conditions, both local and of the broadband provider's. Especially anything that uses the upstream data. If I do a large backup to my .mac account or publish a lot of photos to a .mac gallery, I can hear the other party clear as a bell, better than traditional landline, but my speech breaks up terribly for them. We have a 450 kbps upstream cap, that usually sits at around 400 kbps: that should be plenty for .mac uploads that tend to stall at around 50 kbps plus the voice upstream, which as stated by the provider only requires about 200 kbps or so upstream at the very most. But I guess the streams walk all over each other. While the data seems steady, the photos get up to .mac gallery as fast as if I wasn't using the phone, the outgoing voice is terrible during these time. Other network conditions than sometimes affect outgoing and incoming voice quality. Internal-only network use, like streaming movie from our Macs to the Apple TV over 802.11g or even mixed mode b to g, don't affect it at all; but the VOIP box is wire-connect to the router. Succinctly, it's better at its best but unstable and unpredictable. (We chose to use it because the former owner of our townhouse, in an apparent attempt to wire the landline phone system to every room, destroyed all the copper in the house, didn't declare such and it's hard to tell a line is bad on a line with no service when inspecting a house; it's a much better deal than paying the estimated $2,000 to have the house rewired, and the monthly service fee is half what we'd pay the local landline provider for fewer features.)

I assume this has to be a hacked native iPhone application, not an Apple-compliant Web application. If/when Apple and AT&T offer such a service, officially, I would certainly be interested, even if there were a small fee -- reasonably, US$5 - US$10 a month -- as it would use my usual cell number, calls would just make it in without forwarding and such, I'd be able to use Visual Voicemail, and unanswered calls would go to my AT&T voicemail. Until then it's interesting, but not useful to me.

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While cool, it's not that exciting for a few reasons.

1) Current cell plans give plenty of minutes (my wife and I never use all of our minutes. I think we have over 2000 on rollover).

2) VOIP only works while in a WiFi area.

3) Not feasible for use in cities while walking around town or in the car.

So, while it's great while you're in your house, etc. This is NOT going to replace your cell phone.

However, if would be nice to use your iPhone as a cell phone while abroad and as your "landline" while at home. Too bad VOIP quality pales in comparison to good old copper ... at least that's what I hear from people who have had it.
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What are the chances this will work on EDGE?
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