Apple Support: Boot Camp Beta expires as soon as Leopard's released.

[WICKEDfour]

When does Boot Camp Beta expire?

Originally Posted by Apple Support

Boot Camp Beta 1.3, 1.4 expiration

The license to use Boot Camp Beta expires when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is available to the public. To continue using Boot Camp at that time, upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.

Here's hoping Apple allows Tiger users to simply purchase Boot Camp 2.0. There's no mention of any such upgrade, but that just means we'll have to play the waiting game. People have already speculated that Apple will do this, a la iChat AV for Jaguar. Heh, if Apple didn't let Tiger users continue to boot their Macs in alternate OS's, there might be a bigger uprising of angry people than iPhone 1.1.1 produced!

[yippy]

It is a misconception that BootCamp is running when you boot into Windows. Bootcamp is nothing more than a utility to help you install Windows initially on your Mac (including providing some drivers and partitioning your hard drive).

When BootCamp beta runs out. It WILL NOT affect existing installs. It simply will no longer let you make new Windows installs.

[Fuchal]

Originally Posted by yippy

It is a misconception that BootCamp is running when you boot into Windows. Bootcamp is nothing more than a utility to help you install Windows initially on your Mac (including providing some drivers and partitioning your hard drive).

When BootCamp beta runs out. It WILL NOT affect existing installs. It simply will no longer let you make new Windows installs.

And of course you can always jsut partition your drive yourself and install Windows without boot camp. Even easier if you burn a driver disc ahead of time.

[Bill Gates]

Originally Posted by yippy

It is a misconception that BootCamp is running when you boot into Windows. Bootcamp is nothing more than a utility to help you install Windows initially on your Mac (including providing some drivers and partitioning your hard drive).

When BootCamp beta runs out. It WILL NOT affect existing installs. It simply will no longer let you make new Windows installs.

We don't even know that. My guess is that it will continue to function as it always has, it's just that the license will prohibit its continued use.

[iJawn108]

if apple killed off booting into windows just right off the bat like that there would be a hell of a lot of unhappy customers with intel macs. Like to the point where it got news coverage. My guess is that there just wont be any new drivers or utilities and you will be stuck using 1.4s.

[hayesk]

Originally Posted by iJawn108

if apple killed off booting into windows just right off the bat like that there would be a hell of a lot of unhappy customers with intel macs. Like to the point where it got news coverage.

Yes, just like the ridiculous whining about the iPhone price drop and update. Nevermind that Boot Camp always had a beta moniker and said right from the start that it would expire.

When did people decide they didn't need to be responsible for their own actions?

[junker]

Originally Posted by hayesk

Yes, just like the ridiculous whining about the iPhone price drop and update. Nevermind that Boot Camp always had a beta moniker and said right from the start that it would expire.

When did people decide they didn't need to be responsible for their own actions?

....when George Bush got (re) elected.

[DaBrain]

When did people decide they didn't need to be responsible for their own actions?[/quote]

It all started with the era of political correctness and like everything else has spun out of control just like our government spending etc....

[Data]

Originally Posted by hayesk

When did people decide they didn't need to be responsible for their own actions?

I think that was when people embraced religion ;-) .

[BTW]

Originally Posted by iJawn108

if apple killed off booting into windows just right off the bat like that there would be a hell of a lot of unhappy customers with intel macs. Like to the point where it got news coverage. My guess is that there just wont be any new drivers or utilities and you will be stuck using 1.4s.

Yep, I don't understand Apple stance on this. They should reward the Tiger beta users with a release version of bootcamp that just isn't supported anymore. Instead they make veiled threats that "Oh that was just a beta and not a Tiger feature to begin with."

They purposely shrink their user base with each OS release. The new Core APIs and XCode are other examples. Microsoft makes their tools and APIs mostly backward compatible so why doesn't Apple at least make an attempt to do the same making easier on 3rd party developers.

[WolfgangK]

Originally Posted by BTW

so why doesn't Apple at least make an attempt to do the same making easier on 3rd party developers.

It seems, lately, that Apple is less and less inclusive when it comes to 3rd parties...if they could buy Adobe I believe they'd possibly close the entire platform! Very weird climate right now with Apple and 3rd party developers, or maybe it's just looks worse than it is in reality. I don't know anymore.

[Likkie]

Originally Posted by BTW

Microsoft makes their tools and APIs mostly backward compatible so why doesn't Apple at least make an attempt to do the same making easier on 3rd party developers.

Have you SEEN Windows?

[JiN]

Originally Posted by BTW

Yep, I don't understand Apple stance on this. They should reward the Tiger beta users with a release version of bootcamp that just isn't supported anymore. Instead they make veiled threats that "Oh that was just a beta and not a Tiger feature to begin with."

They purposely shrink their user base with each OS release. The new Core APIs and XCode are other examples. Microsoft makes their tools and APIs mostly backward compatible so why doesn't Apple at least make an attempt to do the same making easier on 3rd party developers.

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This is not true. In fact users of MS Visual Studio 2003 and 2005 cannot work on a project together! I use Parallels to load up VS and all of our developers had to switch to the latest VS at the same time because once you convert a project you can't go back.

As for the Core API and XCode changes. I welcome them. I don't think Apple should spend time retro-fitting it for older OS X.

Finally there are lots of features for Vista and is not available for XP and I don't mean the BS Microsoft is pulling with the Games for Vista Only just to push the platform. I mean functions that would take longer to develop or even hampered by the need to support multiple OS Versions.

[Queso]

Originally Posted by Bill Gates

We don't even know that. My guess is that it will continue to function as it always has, it's just that the license will prohibit its continued use.

Up until the Leopard 1.1.1 update anyway

[Sbrocket]

Considering that the technology that does the BIOS-emulation and lets you boot into Windows is built into the firmware on Intel macs now, there's no way Apple could simply disable Windows booting short of a firmware update that you could just not install until you decided to get Leopard. But even that doesn't make sense. No, this likely just means "The license ends, you shouldn't be using it without Leopard, but there really isn't much we can do to stop you using it. You just won't get any new driver updates."

[chem]

Well, a good way to test this theory would be for someone that was running boot camp 1.2 (which just expired) to chime in on what happened, or for someone to try and install BC 1.2.

[Buschmaster]

Originally Posted by Bill Gates

We don't even know that. My guess is that it will continue to function as it always has, it's just that the license will prohibit its continued use.

What are they going to say? "We want our money back!"

Apple has given us software to use for free on the current operating system that isn't a feature of the current operating system.

Would you guys be mad if they didn't sell you just the new preview or just the new dock? No.

It's good enough we've had the time to use it we have, and think about how many new macs it has probably sold.

[swagi]

Originally Posted by Buschmaster

What are they going to say? "We want our money back!"

Apple has given us software to use for free on the current operating system that isn't a feature of the current operating system.

Would you guys be mad if they didn't sell you just the new preview or just the new dock? No.

It's good enough we've had the time to use it we have, and think about how many new macs it has probably sold.

Well, actually many people like me would like Apple to sell a BootCamp license seperate to Leopard for say 30 bucks. I guess that would be a fair price.

Given that BootCamp 2.0 will rely on some Leopard only technology, they should simply advance the current BootCamp to 1.5 and sell it as standalone App (like QuickTime Pro) and continue support for it.

Some of us simply don't need Leopard features on some machines while they run it once in a while. But maybe we could have a need for a fully supported (and I don't really care if it's crippled compared to 2.0) BootCamp.

Just my 2 cents.

P.S.: Given those two nasty blue vertical lines on my BootCamped iMac this may also be a non-issue for me, as it will be upgraded to a new one rather sooner than later.

P.P.S.: No, I don't want anything else than an iMac in my workspace. Unfortunately they killed white, as it was the perfect color in a medical environment.

[Consultant]

Originally Posted by swagi

No, I don't want anything else than an iMac in my workspace. Unfortunately they killed white, as it was the perfect color in a medical environment.

You can get the white iMac still. Go to store.apple.com and look for "special deals" on the bottom right side. Different models come and go. You can also buy it from Apple reseller. Many have some white iMac in stock still.

[TBi]

Originally Posted by swagi

Given that BootCamp 2.0 will rely on some Leopard only technology, they should simply advance the current BootCamp to 1.5 and sell it as standalone App (like QuickTime Pro) and continue support for it.

What leopard only technology does boot camp 2 use? And how does this affect a standalone install of windows?

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These are trick questions of course because as everyone knows bootcamp is just a nice GUI for a command line application which is built into OSX, and it also makes a driver cd for windows.

Well i know the driver cd can't use any special leopard technology because this wouldn't work in windows.

The GUI though, well they could use core image and make a program which does not actually need all this fancy stuff use it. Although i don't see why they would do this. It would just be a waste of time and energy.

Lastly they could upgrade the program which resizes the hard drive, but there isn't anything really new in leopard in this respect that would make it too "advanced" for tiger.

Originally Posted by swagi

Well, actually many people like me would like Apple to sell a BootCamp license seperate to Leopard for say 30 bucks. I guess that would be a fair price.

Given that BootCamp 2.0 will rely on some Leopard only technology, they should simply advance the current BootCamp to 1.5 and sell it as standalone App (like QuickTime Pro) and continue support for it.

Some of us simply don't need Leopard features on some machines while they run it once in a while. But maybe we could have a need for a fully supported (and I don't really care if it's crippled compared to 2.0) BootCamp.

Just my 2 cents.

P.S.: Given those two nasty blue vertical lines on my BootCamped iMac this may also be a non-issue for me, as it will be upgraded to a new one rather sooner than later.

P.P.S.: No, I don't want anything else than an iMac in my workspace. Unfortunately they killed white, as it was the perfect color in a medical environment.

Originally Posted by HSTRIP

If they had, as far as I could see, that would then leave the option of doing it in terminal, which as I said would be to technical for the average computer user, I think. Which is why i felt it was a bit awkward. Never-mind, if setting the clock back works thats fine.

Someone can just as easily make a simple GUI that calls this command line program for you. Even an automator workflow thing could do this. Enter a few numbers and hey presto, you have a new partition. Click a different button and the windows partition disapears!

Originally Posted by HSTRIP

I suppose the other point i could make is that if Apple had made people aware of the exact expiration date, which it seems they have as another poster has mentioned it, then the onus would be on the user to remove the partition if they wanted before that date. So I shouldn't moan. Again I didn't realize they had made the expiration date known.

Everyone knew it was a beta... so... i don't get this "expiration date" problem...

[Unseelie23]

We do know that. I have Boot Camp 1.1.2 installed on my MacBook. My Windows partition still works fine. The Boot Camp Assistant, however, says that the beta is expired, so I can't print the docs, partition the machine for Boot Camp, or make driver CDs.

No biggie, I'm downloading beta 1.4 now.

Originally Posted by Bill Gates

We don't even know that. My guess is that it will continue to function as it always has, it's just that the license will prohibit its continued use.

[sprime1]

I've got BC 1.2 installed on my MBP. Still works fine. I haven't been on my Mac OS side in a while, so who knows what will happen if I boot into Mac OS.

[sprime1]

You think I'd be safe if i installed version 1.4 before it expired? Think it will still run after Leopard is released?

[daveschroeder]

Originally Posted by sprime1

You think I'd be safe if i installed version 1.4 before it expired? Think it will still run after Leopard is released?

Yes. See my above post.

Boot Camp installations will NOT "stop working" when the Boot Camp beta expires. The ONLY thing that will happen is:

- The Boot Camp Assistant will no longer launch, which you will never need again anyway assuming you have everything with Boot Camp set up as desired.

- You may not have an easy way to get updated Windows drivers for Apple hardware (without perhaps "pirating" them from Leopard).

But yes, from a technical standpoint and ignoring any beta or licensing issues, you can absolutely set up Boot Camp right now with the latest installer, and your Windows installation and Boot Camp setup will keep working indefinitely.

[raggedjimmi]

No big deal for me as I plan on getting Leopard ASAP. Bootcamp is the reason why I upgraded to Intel Macs, best of both worlds and that.

Everything said - roll on Leopard!