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[Code101]

This is getting good! In some previous posts, I keep hearing a few individuals argue over why a PC is better than a Mac notebook, or a Mac is better than a PC notebook. Great innovations have been made on both fronts and they both have their uses. Macs are expensive and so are good PC’s. Some PC workstations cost $5000 to $10,000. In any event they both do good things in some areas that the other can’t do as well in. I own both. I love my Mac with OS-X and I love My PC running Windows Server 2003 as a workstation OS which is almost twice as fast as Windows XP I might add. I’m a Visual Studio.NET (Windows) and Cocoa (Mac OS-X) developer. Both worlds have a new wonderful start. Before that, both platforms suffered under bad OS versions. For the PC, 3.1 95, 98, ME, and for the Mac OS-7, 8, and 9. I love both the Mac and PC. I work on them all day every day developing code. I’m well aware of how well they both perform and how bad they do on some things. Come on people.

To the topic at hand. I wish Steve and Apple were not going to Paris for this Expo. After all France has done to hurt the US, they don’t deserve an American company as good as Apple. It would be good to see them take it somewhere else in Europe. Just my two cents.

[spazum64]

Originally posted by Code101
To the topic at hand. I wish Steve and Apple were not going to Paris for this Expo. After all France has done to hurt the US, they don’t deserve an American company as good as Apple. It would be good to see them take it somewhere else in Europe. Just my two cents.

And what exactly has France done to hurt the US? Seriously, I don't want to get into a political debate, but France has not done anything. Their government made a choice that they were entitled to make. They decided not to do anything. They did nothing to us.

[lord_flash]

Originally posted by Code101
This is getting good! In some previous posts, I keep hearing a few individuals argue over why a PC is better than a Mac notebook, or a Mac is better than a PC notebook. Great innovations have been made on both fronts and they both have their uses. Macs are expensive and so are good PC’s. Some PC workstations cost $5000 to $10,000. In any event they both do good things in some areas that the other can’t do as well in. I own both. I love my Mac with OS-X and I love My PC

How can someone with such an open mind about the various virtues of different platforms...

I wish Steve and Apple were not going to Paris for this Expo. After all France has done to hurt the US, they don’t deserve an American company as good as Apple.

...say somting as bigoted and xenophobic as this. As I recall, America used to like France - they gave you the statue of liberty and shared in the devlopment of democracy through the enlightenment. Then, suddenly, America has a full scale tantrum because the people of France exercise their own democratic right? What's that about?

I know I should bring politics here, but I simply thought that Apple users weren't forced into following the herd. Think different.

Oh, and please go and watch Bowling for Columbine before encouraging your president to destroy another country...

On topic, just, I think it's good that Steve wants to come to Paris and show that he hasn't been affected by the lowest-common-denominator finger pointing that seems so prevelent on your side of thhe Atlantic. It'd be nice to think Apple cared about it's (potential) European customers!

[trianglejuice]

Originally posted by lord_flash
How can someone with such an open mind about the various virtues of different platforms...

...say somting as bigoted and xenophobic as this. As I recall, America used to like France - they gave you the statue of liberty and shared in the devlopment of democracy through the enlightenment. Then, suddenly, America has a full scale tantrum because the people of France exercise their own democratic right? What's that about?

Don't want to interrupt you guys with your political debate, but the Statue of Liberty was given by Egypt. They made it and Paris was a sort of channel stop.

[lord_flash]

Originally posted by trianglejuice
Don't want to interrupt you guys with your political debate, but the Statue of Liberty was given by Egypt. They made it and Paris was a sort of channel stop.

Not so. It was, to some extent, based on a design inspired by the Egyptian perchant for the collosal, which was once offered to the Egyptians. then the designer, Bartholdi, got involved in defending the French from the Germans and the word liberty became important to him, he made some revisions and saw the US as the ideal venue for his project.

The plinth etc. was paid for by the US, the statue by France. Egypt provided only the inspiration to the artist.

(It's also worth noting that the American's almost certainly wouldn't have won the war of independence without French help. Perhaps they're just better at picking which wars to get involved with. That said, they're not great at defending their own borders...)

[noneis]

[i]I think it's good that Steve wants to come to Paris and show that he hasn't been affected by the lowest-common-denominator finger pointing that seems so prevelent on your side of the Atlantic. It'd be nice to think Apple cared about it's (potential) European customers! [/b]

you do realize your pointing the "finger" there right :|

and dont kid yourself too much, i doubt steve is paying much attention to politics as far as his choice to show up at the paris convention, rather its the earliest date that he can personaly introduce us all to quite a few new products.


take the politics elsewhere yo.

[lord_flash]

Originally posted by noneis
i doubt steve is paying much attention to politics as far as his choice to show up at the paris convention, rather its the earliest date that he can personaly introduce us all to quite a few new products.

You're right there. After all, he's got a nice little bag up his sleeve, and it's a world-wide community these days, after all.

OK, I promise no more politics here. Just a little bit more hoping that those G5 PowerBooks with Panther pre-loaded and all-new, bug-free iLife apps are worth the wait...

[zorglub]

Originally posted by trianglejuice
Don't want to interrupt you guys with your political debate, but the Statue of Liberty was given by Egypt. They made it and Paris was a sort of channel stop.

Statue of Liberty
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Statue of Liberty The Statue of Liberty, more formally known as "Liberty Enlightening the World," stands in New York Harbor as a welcome to all: returning Americans, visitors, and immigrants alike.
The statue was intended as a centennial gift, and a sign of friendship between France and the United States.

Sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi was commissioned to design a sculpture with the year 1876 in mind for completion, to commemorate the centennial of the American Declaration of Independence. The Statue was a joint effort between America and France and it was agreed upon that the American people were to build the pedestal, and the French people were responsible for the Statue and its assembly here in the United States. However, lack of funds was a problem on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. In France, public fees, various forms of entertainment, and a lottery were among the methods used to raise funds. In the United States, benefit theatrical events, art exhibitions, auctions and prize fights assisted in providing needed funds. Meanwhile in France, Bartholdi required the assistance of an engineer to address structural issues associated with designing such a colossal copper sculpture. Alexandre Gustave Eiffel (designer of the Eiffel Tower) was commissioned to design the massive iron pylon and secondary skeletal framework which allows the Statue's copper skin to move independently yet stand upright. Back in America, fund raising for the pedestal was going particularly slowly, so Joseph Pulitzer (noted for the Pulitzer Prize) opened up the editorial pages of his newspaper, The World, to support the fund raising effort. Pulitzer used his newspaper to criticize both the rich who had failed to finance the pedestal construction and the middle class who were content to rely upon the wealthy to provide the funds. Pulitzer's campaign of harsh criticism was successful in motivating the people of America to donate.

Financing for the pedestal was completed in August 1885, the cornerstone was laid on August 5, and pedestal construction was finished in April of 1886. The Statue was completed in France in July, 1884 and arrived in New York Harbor in June of 1885 on board the French frigate 'Isere' which transported the Statue of Liberty from France to the United States. In transit, the Statue was reduced to 350 individual pieces and packed in 214 crates. The Statue was re-assembled on her new pedestal in four months time. On October 28, 1886, the dedication of the Statue of Liberty took place in front of thousands of spectators. She was a centennial gift ten years late.


The Statue of Liberty copy on the river Seine in Paris, France. Given to the city in 1885, it faces west, towards the original Liberty in New York.

The copy of the Statue is placed in Paris, France, where it stands on an island in the river Seine, looking down the river, towards the Atlantic Ocean and hence towards its "larger sister" in New York.

The statue is often used as a symbol that personifies the entire nation of America.

The Emma Lazarus poem "The New Colossus" was written for the statue, and is engraved on the pedestal.

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[panphage]

And relations between the US and France seem to have gone downhill a bit since then. I blame McDonald's.

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by panphage
And relations between the US and France seem to have gone downhill a bit since then. I blame McDonald's.

And I'm glad Apple IS NOT to blame

Here in Europe only once a year there is a big Apple event, what we are all waiting for: MWP.
Paris a beautiful venue, and I love coming to Paris for two days to enjoy Steve's keynote. Wether there is a HUGE announcement, or none at all (last year), I really enjoy it.

I just hope Steve has this fixture in his iCal events for years to come.