3GHz G5 PowerMacs... August 2004?

MacRumors · Sep 17, 2003, 12:39 AM

One of the most interesting comments from Steve Jobs' Paris Keynote is the promise that PowerMac G5s will reach 3GHz "before the end of next summer".

Jobs first claimed that PowerMacs would hit 3GHz "in 12 months" during his WWDC Keynote on June 23, 2003.

The end of summer timeline brings us to August 2004 -- 11 months away. With an average product-life of 6 months between PowerMac releases (historically), users can expect another PowerMac revision in the first half of 2004.

Our Buyer's Guide tracks the releases of Apple's products... but readers should be aware that the most recent graph for PowerMac G5 releases is skewed due to the longer than usual lead time on G5 shipments. In fact, several readers are now reporting that non-educational PowerMac G5 2.0GHz machines are just shipping this week.

trog · Sep 17, 2003, 12:43 AM

I have heard that many people are starting to receive dual G5s, but they are all standard configurations. Even if you ordered on 6/23, if it was CTO then others who ordered standard several days later appear to be getting theirs first. Education ordering doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.

hobbes3113 · Sep 17, 2003, 12:45 AM

Hopefully IBM will be able to back Steve up on this. Any reason to think otherwise?

mac15 · Sep 17, 2003, 12:53 AM

So with this projection, we could expect up to 2.4-2.5GHz in the next revision around the real time of WWDC? give or take

Chaszmyr · Sep 17, 2003, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hobbes3113
Hopefully IBM will be able to back Steve up on this. Any reason to think otherwise?

It's entirely in IBM's hands... they design the chips, not Apple. If Steve said it, that means it is information that came from IBM

Powerbook G5 · Sep 17, 2003, 12:58 AM

It sounds about right with the timeline. As far as when the orders will be received, it is probably the same with the PowerBooks. Get it with an extra gig of RAM and instantly you go from a 3-5 day wait to a 4-6 *week* wait. I'm sure those who got a 500 gig HD option and 8 gigs of RAM will be in for one hell of a wait. I feel sorry for them, but I also know when they do get them, I will be one jealous dude as they feel sorry for the rest of us.

VicMacs · Sep 17, 2003, 01:10 AM

i mean, buy a powerbook now, use it, keep it clean and take good care of it, then when next summer comes, put it on ebay and get 1300+ for a 12 inch, 1500+for a 15 inch and 2000 for a 17 inch, and then get your powebook g5... oh and remember to save during the course of this year... lots... i dont think theyll release a low end model right away... im figuring get a high end model out first, very costly, 3500 or so, then in january get some out for the rest of us... but heck i dont care, i'll wait till theyre really cheap ... my 867DP will have to do till then.. 12 incher on the way!

Sol · Sep 17, 2003, 01:19 AM

While it is good to hear that faster G5 processors will be ready by the end of next summer I would rather see dual configurations for all three PowerMac models. Us PowerMac users have become spoiled with dual processors and OS X works so much better between two.

tizza · Sep 17, 2003, 01:21 AM

well that would be cool - I mean the Intel chips aren't going to be getting any slower are they, so one one hope there's heaps of room for expansion with the G5.

fpnc · Sep 17, 2003, 01:36 AM

Technically, the end of summer is on or near to Sept. 22. So, the 3.0GHz mark could be 12 months away.

The 3GHz G5 is still a long ways off and schedules will change, but we seem to have a 3-month slip from the statements made in June at WWDC. However, even then I made the observation that Steve could have meant 12 months from the time that the first G5s actually shipped, not 12 months from WWDC. Under that definition end of August 2004 would be about right. In any case, most will probably take this to suggest a potential delay in the 3GHz introduction. I agree, however, that a speed bump in the G5 seems likely at about Feb./Mar. of next year.

JtheLemur · Sep 17, 2003, 01:40 AM

I find it ridiculous that no CTO orders have shipped, for education or otherwise. and i'm sorry, but edu. inst. customers did not get any special treatment - all the orders for G5s I put it on keynote day as early as possible were still bumped back like everyone elses (OOB 9/23). in fact, out of all the K-12s i talk to that ordered them on keynote day, the only one to arrive was a standard 1.6. (yes, all others ordered were duals). so the statements that the Duals would ship by end of august, then the statement that they'd ship to eu. inst. customers in time for school, was a load of BS.

Erf. heck, maybe i'll just cancel my orders and wait for the rev. b models. =)

alset · Sep 17, 2003, 01:50 AM

I'd say it's pretty obvious that we're way off schedule. 11 months I can see, but the next machine upgrade seems a lot farther off, to me.

Dan

mvc · Sep 17, 2003, 01:54 AM

I would expect to see speed bumps by January, or even later this year. The big issue has been getting the machines out the door, putting out speed bumped versions will probably happen as fast as IBM can make them, and I'm sure Apple will want to stay "on top" in the speed game now that they have caught up as it were with the G5.

I would expect early revisions, but I think there will be no official word at this stage precisely to prevent disgruntled purchasers from cancelling these initial delayed orders and waiting for the next speed bump.

If Steve had said 3GHz by June, then everyone would divide the months from the initial release till then by two and wait around for the 6 monthly rev. So instead, its now suddenly the end of summer.

And yes, I am being optimistic.

Sherman · Sep 17, 2003, 02:00 AM

What is it with you kids these days? Nothing is ever fast enough for you.

wizard · Sep 17, 2003, 02:20 AM

I'm not to sure the that the 3 GHz unit is that far off. I get the impression that the current maxing out at 2GHz is more of a marketing decision more than anything else. It is pretty obvious that the G5 was designed to handle much faster 970's, I ould not be usrprised if faster chips are not already feasable.

My suspicion is that the 3GHz units arrival will be driven more buy what is happening in the PC world than any precieved schedule that may be hanging in the halls at Apple. Lets face it if Apple starts to get mud kicked in its face over the fastest PC in the world remark, they may find faster 970's than the supposed schedule dictates.

What i really see as nice here is that we should see a very nice end of the year update.

Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by fpnc
Technically, the end of summer is on or near to Sept. 22. So, the 3.0GHz mark could be 12 months away.

The 3GHz G5 is still a long ways off and schedules will change, but we seem to have a 3-month slip from the statements made in June at WWDC. However, even then I made the observation that Steve could have meant 12 months from the time that the first G5s actually shipped, not 12 months from WWDC. Under that definition end of August 2004 would be about right. In any case, most will probably take this to suggest a potential delay in the 3GHz introduction. I agree, however, that a speed bump in the G5 seems likely at about Feb./Mar. of next year.

ginoledesma · Sep 17, 2003, 02:30 AM

:lol: I guess what with the draught Apple experienced with Motorola in G4 delays, Apple is now "making up for it" with IBM. :lol:

It would be nice to have dual across the line, and have the single 1.6/1.8 be the "entry level" that replaces iMacs/eMacs. Dual 3GHz by next year sounds promising, but I'm still skeptical about Jobs's claims -- who's to say (God forbid) that something unexpected wouldn't come up?

In any case, I always wait for a Rev B.

cheesy · Sep 17, 2003, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JtheLemur
and i'm sorry, but edu. inst. customers did not get any special treatment

Virgina Tech did

esheep2001 · Sep 17, 2003, 02:54 AM

Yeah, there's a trickle from the sounds of it and they're all stock config.

Apple out and out lied that edu customers would get prefferential treatment. Maybe a few institutions, but all in all I have been VERY dissapointed with the way that the G5 launch has been handled considering this is their premium product.

As for 3GHz by next Aug. Yes I can believe that. All the kinks will be out of the production line by then so bringing new models out will be much faster. I dare say IBM can be believed to deliver too, more so than some other companies.

e.

prewwii · Sep 17, 2003, 03:05 AM

When Jobs says something... does he mean it? Can we count on what he says?

It appears that Jobs runs off at the mouth and feels no need to be accountable. A year is a year. The news is full of CEO's who have liberal interpretations of reality.

I don't think the public needs to give Jobs a free pass for shooting his mouth off and then not being able to live up to it. Jobs needs to say what he means, mean what he says. Changing his word without an explaination is not living to a high standard. Maybe it's a small thing. Living to a high standard means putting value on the small things.

That's my opinion....

freddiecable · Sep 17, 2003, 03:16 AM

When SJ says 3 Ghz by the end of next summer it's the same as it will arrive winter 2004! I would not wait ordering my box until then! I need it now...

I ordered the dual 2 Ghz just because of it's giant leap forward compared to the MDDs on every level - interior and exterior design, technical enhancements like faster FSB, memory, HD, processors etc. Even if i wait a whole year or more - the relative bang for buck is not worth it since I need it now...

I've told myself to stay put with my new, when it comes, dual G5 2 ghz at least for 2 years...I had my Dual 533 for about two years and it worked great - and now I really can feel the difference...hopefully

I ordered with Radeon 9800 Pro - hopefully that will not delay my order

macounaima · Sep 17, 2003, 03:28 AM

I was at the keynote yesterday. As you will see when they'll post the webcast, after finishing his bit on the next generation of G5 where he said it would reach 3 mghz by the end of next summer, but he added, in a breath almost to himself, "I think".

eric67 · Sep 17, 2003, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ginoledesma
:lol: I guess what with the draught Apple experienced with Motorola in G4 delays, Apple is now "making up for it" with IBM. :lol:

It would be nice to have dual across the line, and have the single 1.6/1.8 be the "entry level" that replaces iMacs/eMacs. Dual 3GHz by next year sounds promising, but I'm still skeptical about Jobs's claims -- who's to say (God forbid) that something unexpected wouldn't come up?

In any case, I always wait for a Rev B.

I agree with you and a previous post, I think it will make sens with OSX and release of Panther to move the PM G5 entirely to dual models, 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 GHz for January 2004, in addition we can expect at that time a faster processor with a revision (let see 2.2 or 2.4 GHz, this is probably the max that it can reach with the current engraving process, when it will move to 90nm process, then maybe the low-end model will be >2GHz... by June/July 2004)

And I think it is always good to wait for RevB for a new product.

macphoria · Sep 17, 2003, 03:36 AM

When 3GHz G5 Power Mac comes out, I guess that's when G5 PowerBook will debut? How does 2GHz G5 PowerBook sound?

MacsRgr8 · Sep 17, 2003, 03:37 AM

I was there in Paris, hearing (and seeing) Steve say these words, but he follwed the promise with "we think"

BTW, it doesn't matter how often you see this guy, Steve NEVER gets boring to watch.

iwantanewmac · Sep 17, 2003, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
It sounds about right with the timeline. As far as when the orders will be received, it is probably the same with the PowerBooks. Get it with an extra gig of RAM and instantly you go from a 3-5 day wait to a 4-6 *week* wait. I'm sure those who got a 500 gig HD option and 8 gigs of RAM will be in for one hell of a wait. I feel sorry for them, but I also know when they do get them, I will be one jealous dude as they feel sorry for the rest of us.

But when they get them there will be an update around the corner.
I know I know. There is always an update around the corner, but this 1 will come pretty quickly for them.

Sep 17, 2003, 12:39 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	3GHz G5 PowerMacs... August 2004? One of the most interesting comments from Steve Jobs' Paris Keynote is the promise that PowerMac G5s will reach 3GHz "before the end of next summer". Jobs first claimed that PowerMacs would hit 3GHz "in 12 months" during his WWDC Keynote on June 23, 2003. The end of summer timeline brings us to August 2004 -- 11 months away. With an average product-life of 6 months between PowerMac releases (historically), users can expect another PowerMac revision in the first half of 2004. Our Buyer's Guide tracks the releases of Apple's products... but readers should be aware that the most recent graph for PowerMac G5 releases is skewed due to the longer than usual lead time on G5 shipments. In fact, several readers are now reporting that non-educational PowerMac G5 2.0GHz machines are just shipping this week.

Sep 17, 2003, 12:43 AM	#2
trog macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003	education means squat I have heard that many people are starting to receive dual G5s, but they are all standard configurations. Even if you ordered on 6/23, if it was CTO then others who ordered standard several days later appear to be getting theirs first. Education ordering doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.

Sep 17, 2003, 12:45 AM	#3
hobbes3113 macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC	Hopefully IBM will be able to back Steve up on this. Any reason to think otherwise? __________________ "We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give." -Winston Churchill

Sep 17, 2003, 12:53 AM	#4
mac15 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney	So with this projection, we could expect up to 2.4-2.5GHz in the next revision around the real time of WWDC? give or take __________________ Check out my guiKitting at the theflanneleffect

Sep 17, 2003, 12:58 AM	#6
Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL	It sounds about right with the timeline. As far as when the orders will be received, it is probably the same with the PowerBooks. Get it with an extra gig of RAM and instantly you go from a 3-5 day wait to a 4-6 week wait. I'm sure those who got a 500 gig HD option and 8 gigs of RAM will be in for one hell of a wait. I feel sorry for them, but I also know when they do get them, I will be one jealous dude as they feel sorry for the rest of us. __________________ iMac, therefore, iAm.

Sep 17, 2003, 01:10 AM	#7
VicMacs macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dominican Republic	thats not worth the wait i mean, buy a powerbook now, use it, keep it clean and take good care of it, then when next summer comes, put it on ebay and get 1300+ for a 12 inch, 1500+for a 15 inch and 2000 for a 17 inch, and then get your powebook g5... oh and remember to save during the course of this year... lots... i dont think theyll release a low end model right away... im figuring get a high end model out first, very costly, 3500 or so, then in january get some out for the rest of us... but heck i dont care, i'll wait till theyre really cheap ... my 867DP will have to do till then.. 12 incher on the way! __________________ @ MacWorld

Sep 17, 2003, 01:19 AM	#8
Sol macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Australia	Dual G5s better than faster single G5 While it is good to hear that faster G5 processors will be ready by the end of next summer I would rather see dual configurations for all three PowerMac models. Us PowerMac users have become spoiled with dual processors and OS X works so much better between two. __________________ DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

Sep 17, 2003, 01:21 AM	#9
tizza macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia	well that would be cool - I mean the Intel chips aren't going to be getting any slower are they, so one one hope there's heaps of room for expansion with the G5.

Sep 17, 2003, 01:36 AM	#10
fpnc macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2002	Technically, the end of summer is on or near to Sept. 22. So, the 3.0GHz mark could be 12 months away. The 3GHz G5 is still a long ways off and schedules will change, but we seem to have a 3-month slip from the statements made in June at WWDC. However, even then I made the observation that Steve could have meant 12 months from the time that the first G5s actually shipped, not 12 months from WWDC. Under that definition end of August 2004 would be about right. In any case, most will probably take this to suggest a potential delay in the 3GHz introduction. I agree, however, that a speed bump in the G5 seems likely at about Feb./Mar. of next year.

Sep 17, 2003, 01:40 AM	#11
JtheLemur macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2002	I find it ridiculous that no CTO orders have shipped, for education or otherwise. and i'm sorry, but edu. inst. customers did not get any special treatment - all the orders for G5s I put it on keynote day as early as possible were still bumped back like everyone elses (OOB 9/23). in fact, out of all the K-12s i talk to that ordered them on keynote day, the only one to arrive was a standard 1.6. (yes, all others ordered were duals). so the statements that the Duals would ship by end of august, then the statement that they'd ship to eu. inst. customers in time for school, was a load of BS. Erf. heck, maybe i'll just cancel my orders and wait for the rev. b models. =)

Sep 17, 2003, 01:50 AM	#12
alset macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Bay, CA	I'd say it's pretty obvious that we're way off schedule. 11 months I can see, but the next machine upgrade seems a lot farther off, to me. Dan __________________ alsetmusic.com standing on the shoulders of giants....

Sep 17, 2003, 01:54 AM	#13
mvc macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Outer-Roa	Speed bumps sooner I would expect to see speed bumps by January, or even later this year. The big issue has been getting the machines out the door, putting out speed bumped versions will probably happen as fast as IBM can make them, and I'm sure Apple will want to stay "on top" in the speed game now that they have caught up as it were with the G5. I would expect early revisions, but I think there will be no official word at this stage precisely to prevent disgruntled purchasers from cancelling these initial delayed orders and waiting for the next speed bump. If Steve had said 3GHz by June, then everyone would divide the months from the initial release till then by two and wait around for the 6 monthly rev. So instead, its now suddenly the end of summer. And yes, I am being optimistic. __________________ If Apple really wanted to secure their OS to their own hardware, they might have tried something stronger than limmericks

Sep 17, 2003, 02:00 AM	#14
Sherman macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Berzerkeley	What is it with you kids these days? Nothing is ever fast enough for you. __________________ Fox: You have just recieved the Amish Computer Virus. Since the Amish don't have computers, it is based on the honor system. Please delete all the files from your computer. Thank you for your cooperation.

Sep 17, 2003, 02:30 AM	#16
ginoledesma macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philippines	:lol: I guess what with the draught Apple experienced with Motorola in G4 delays, Apple is now "making up for it" with IBM. :lol: It would be nice to have dual across the line, and have the single 1.6/1.8 be the "entry level" that replaces iMacs/eMacs. Dual 3GHz by next year sounds promising, but I'm still skeptical about Jobs's claims -- who's to say (God forbid) that something unexpected wouldn't come up? In any case, I always wait for a Rev B.

Sep 17, 2003, 02:54 AM	#18
esheep2001 macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2002	G5? Shipping? ROFL! Yeah, there's a trickle from the sounds of it and they're all stock config. Apple out and out lied that edu customers would get prefferential treatment. Maybe a few institutions, but all in all I have been VERY dissapointed with the way that the G5 launch has been handled considering this is their premium product. As for 3GHz by next Aug. Yes I can believe that. All the kinks will be out of the production line by then so bringing new models out will be much faster. I dare say IBM can be believed to deliver too, more so than some other companies. e.

Sep 17, 2003, 03:05 AM	#19
prewwii macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Gulf area Alabama	Apple year or Jobs year.... When Jobs says something... does he mean it? Can we count on what he says? It appears that Jobs runs off at the mouth and feels no need to be accountable. A year is a year. The news is full of CEO's who have liberal interpretations of reality. I don't think the public needs to give Jobs a free pass for shooting his mouth off and then not being able to live up to it. Jobs needs to say what he means, mean what he says. Changing his word without an explaination is not living to a high standard. Maybe it's a small thing. Living to a high standard means putting value on the small things. That's my opinion.... __________________ Today is a good day for a random act of kindness.

Sep 17, 2003, 03:16 AM	#20
freddiecable macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden	don't wait! When SJ says 3 Ghz by the end of next summer it's the same as it will arrive winter 2004! I would not wait ordering my box until then! I need it now... I ordered the dual 2 Ghz just because of it's giant leap forward compared to the MDDs on every level - interior and exterior design, technical enhancements like faster FSB, memory, HD, processors etc. Even if i wait a whole year or more - the relative bang for buck is not worth it since I need it now... I've told myself to stay put with my new, when it comes, dual G5 2 ghz at least for 2 years...I had my Dual 533 for about two years and it worked great - and now I really can feel the difference...hopefully I ordered with Radeon 9800 Pro - hopefully that will not delay my order

Sep 17, 2003, 03:28 AM	#21
macounaima macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2003	"I think" - SJ 9/16/03 I was at the keynote yesterday. As you will see when they'll post the webcast, after finishing his bit on the next generation of G5 where he said it would reach 3 mghz by the end of next summer, but he added, in a breath almost to himself, "I think". __________________ La vida es dura! Si, dura mucha!

Sep 17, 2003, 03:36 AM	#23
macphoria macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2002	When 3GHz G5 Power Mac comes out, I guess that's when G5 PowerBook will debut? How does 2GHz G5 PowerBook sound?

Sep 17, 2003, 03:37 AM	#24
MacsRgr8 macrumors 601 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	I was there in Paris, hearing (and seeing) Steve say these words, but he follwed the promise with "we think" BTW, it doesn't matter how often you see this guy, Steve NEVER gets boring to watch. __________________ Drag and Drop for Windows users: DRAG your peecee off your desk, and DROP it in the trash.

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