8800GTS 512MB (G92) vs 8800GTX OMG!

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

On December 11th, there will be a new kid in town called nVidia GeForce 8800GTS 512MB G92 (or something like that).
It looks like this bad boy is going to beat-up on the GeForce 8800GTX.
The 8800GTS 512MB is based on a G92 chipset just like the new 8800GT.

TweakTown supposedly received an anonymous 8800GTS 512MB video card and tested it.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1234/2/page_2_the_card/index.html

According to TweakTown the 8800GTS 512MB G92 card has 512MB of GDDR3 memory which comes clocked in at 1940MHz DDR while the core and shader clocks come in at 650MHz and 1624MHz respectively.
The memory bus comes in at 256-bit.
To put the speed into comparison the 8800GT sports 512MB of DDR3 memory at 1800MHz DDR and with a core speed of 600MHz.

In a benchtest of video cards using Crysis SP Demo at 1920 x 1200, the 8800GTS 512MB G92 card had better numbers than the 8800GTX.

I desperately would love to have that new 8800GTS 512MB G92 video card as the bto consumer card in the next Mac Pro.
The with launch of the Mac Pro being delayed until December or January, maybe the 8800GTS G92 will be available.
Oh please, let it be so!

Eidorian · Nov 29, 2007

*cricket chirp*

The G92 based 8800GTS is a more efficient GPU?

bbplayer5 · Nov 29, 2007

Why did you even bother posting this? Its not going to be out for the mac pro.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

Eidorian said:
The G92 based 8800GTS is a more efficient GPU?

As you know by now I am only concerned with power (where's a nice manly emoticon when you need one?)

Since you bring it up, yes, I'd say the G92 is more efficient than the G80 or R600 but less efficient than the RV670.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

bbplayer5 said:
Its not going to be out for the mac pro.

Why not?

Eidorian · Nov 29, 2007

Topper said:
As you know by now I am only concerned with power (where's a nice manly emoticon when you need one?)

I know how that feels.

Topper said:
Since you bring it up, yes, I'd say the G92 is more efficient than the G80 or R600 but less efficient than the RV670.

The G80 based 88xx Series held their own for performance when introduced last year. The G92 just sweetens the deal.

All that I'm going to say about ATi is that they just need to fit their niche of matching their prices with performance when compared to nVidia. The HD 3850 and HD 3870 when sold at MSRP are competitive for what they offer.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

Eidorian said:
I know how that feels.

The G80 based 88xx Series held their own for performance when introduced last year. The G92 just sweetens the deal.

All that I'm going to say about ATi is that they just need to fit their niche of matching their prices with performance when compared to nVidia. The HD 3850 and HD 3870 when sold at MSRP are competitive for what they offer.

I've seen some benchtests of the HD3870 and HD3850 in crossfire.
I'd kill for those video cards in crossfire.

Eidorian · Nov 29, 2007

Topper said:
I've seen some benchtests of the HD3870 and HD3850 in crossfire.
I'd kill for those video cards in crossfire.

~$350 using the 3850 for 8800 GTX performance and around the same power usage if not a little less is nice.

I find my single 3850 to perform well enough at 1280 x 1024 for my gamer needs.

bbplayer5 · Nov 29, 2007

Because the mac pro hasnt had a video card upgrade in 2 years. They wont do it now because its not a gaming machine.

deathshrub · Nov 29, 2007

I wish the new MPs would come out already because I'm tired of reading trash like this.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

bbplayer5 said:
Because the mac pro hasnt had a video card upgrade in 2 years. They wont do it now because its not a gaming machine.

There is a new Mac Pro coming out within 47 days.
It will very likely have two consumer video cards.
There is no reason the 8800GTS 512MB G92 card can not be one of those cards.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

deathshrub said:
I wish the new MPs would come out already because I'm tired of reading trash like this.

You think speculation is trash? I thought this site is called MacRumors.
You saw the thread's title. Why did you bother to read or respond to it?

Sun Baked · Nov 29, 2007

Topper said:
You think speculation is trash? I thought this site is called MacRumors.
You saw the thread's title. Why did you bother to read or respond to it?

If you don't plan on washing, rolling around in the trash is the only way to cover up bad BO.

jamesi · Nov 29, 2007

this honestly just strikes me as too much optimism. apple has never been one offer the best and greatest video card for their machines so few ppl here feel the need to wonder otherwise unless they see it

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

Sun Baked said:
If you don't plan on washing, rolling around in the trash is the only way to cover up bad BO.

If that is your experience, then it must be true.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

jamesi said:
this honestly just strikes me as too much optimism. apple has never been one offer the best and greatest video card for their machines so few ppl here feel the need to wonder otherwise unless they see it

Yes, you are correct.
I will be totally shocked if a high-end video card is offered as bto.

diamond.g · Nov 29, 2007

Interesting review. Although I would be skeptical at the resolution chosen. The GTX really shines at higher resolutions. There is no other way for the bus to get a workout. I would also like to point out that the benchmark ran was DX9 not DX10 based. Read this thread for more technical info.

Topper · Nov 29, 2007

diamond.g said:
Interesting review. Although I would be skeptical at the resolution chosen. The GTX really shines at higher resolutions. There is no other way for the bus to get a workout. Read this thread for more technical info.

That was a very interesting read, thank you.

The 8800GTS 512MB appears to outperform the 8800GTX at 1920 x 1200.
But you are thinking that the 8800GTX pulls away at 2560x1600?

I would also like to point out that the benchmark ran was DX9 not DX10 based.

If the benchmark were run at DX10, do you think the results would be different?

I have Apple stuff just like everyone else here....

An iPod

bbplayer5 · Nov 29, 2007

2560x1600? ..... all 78 people that play on a mac in that resolution will be THRILLED!

Wild-Bill · Nov 29, 2007

Topper said:
Yes, you are correct.
I will be totally shocked if a high-end video card is offered as bto.

I wouldn't be surprised if thy offered the ATI HD 2900XT, which has been EOL'd in favor of the 3870. It wouldn't surprise me in the least for Apple to completely screw up the video card options, despite the amount of feedback that's been submitted to them.

irishgrizzly · Nov 29, 2007

I'm buying a games console instead. It'll probably be cheaper then whatever substandard card apple offers

Eidorian · Nov 29, 2007

irishgrizzly said:
I'm buying a games console instead. It'll probably be cheaper then whatever substandard card apple offers

I'm sure the RTS and FPS fans would really love that console.

Pressure · Nov 30, 2007

Eidorian said:
I'm sure the RTS and FPS fans would really love that console.

But on the other hand that can't really be the demography Apple is trying to sell their Mac Pro to in the first place...

diamond.g · Nov 30, 2007

Topper said:
That was a very interesting read, thank you.

The 8800GTS 512MB appears to outperform the 8800GTX at 1920 x 1200.
But you are thinking that the 8800GTX pulls away at 2560x1600?

If the benchmark were run at DX10, do you think the results would be different?

An iPod

bbplayer5 said:
2560x1600? ..... all 78 people that play on a mac in that resolution will be THRILLED!

I do realize that 2560x1600 isn't a common resolution. But I would think running 4+xAA and 16xAF would be enough to show a bandwidth bottleneck. Although I am hearing the GTS is supposed to be quite overclockable.

Honestly I would probably wait till after the new year to get a G92 based card. Something tells me Nvidia is selling out of the G80 parts and will have something to replace the GTX and Ultra. I think they are waiting to see if AMD comes out with a GX2 type board. From all accounts that I had read everyone thought the RV670 was going to walk all over the G92, so I think the GTS was a response to that. Of course we all know that didn't turn out to be the case though.

These cards are overkill for those that want to play older games, don't play at higher resolutions, or don't play with high IQ settings. Which is why lots here think that the X1900 is fine.

Topper · Nov 30, 2007

diamond.g said:
I do realize that 2560x1600 isn't a common resolution.

Common resolution for the big LCDs

Honestly I would probably wait till after the new year to get a G92 based card. Something tells me Nvidia is selling out of the G80 parts and will have something to replace the GTX and Ultra. I think they are waiting to see if AMD comes out with a GX2 type board.

nVidia's D8E should arrive in January.
The D8E is Nvidia's answer to Radeon 3870 X2 dual chip card. It is based on two G92 (8800GT) chips.
The D8E will be a high-end video card.

I have not heard as yet of a single card replacement for the 8800GTX.

Honestly I would probably wait till after the new year to get a G92 based card.

You've got to be talking PC because it won't be in the Mac Pro.

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