Mac OS 10.5.2, Mac Pro Update At Macworld?

Death Warrant · Dec 5, 2007, 01:56 PM

Hi there

Just as anyone else, I want to open a speculation thread.

According to Hardmac, this seems interessting and make absolutely sense:

Quote:

As many of our readers requested additional information regarding the date for the launch of the future Mac Pro, we decided to ask our sources for details. Of course, we could not cross confirm all information, but we know that they should be reliable:

Unlike our expectations, one will have to wait for MWSF keynote on January 15th to have Steve jobs announcing the transition to Penryn processors, the Mac Pro being the first. reasons for this delay are numerous, but we were reporting yesterday about some of them:

- Apple is actively working on Leopard to benefit as much as possible from the recently released Intel Mac OS X compiler and libraries, including SSE4 support. Mac OS X 10.5.2 should be released for the keynote and fully takes advantages of the last Intel compiler and libraries. According to our sources, it should be the largest and most important intermediate system update ever released by Apple.
- the new Mac Pro will be immediately available after the Keynote, and the hardware specifications should be as follow:
* 8 Core Xeon Penryn for all (3.2GHz for the high-end model)
* new graphic cards should be available, among them the latest Quadro FX from NVidia
* Apple should offer Blu-ray burner as BTO

Apple should also rename DVD Studio Pro, as the January expected update should bring support for playing and burning BD media; the name could be Disk Studio Pro.

Regarding Penryn-based iMac or MacBook Pro, dates of availability remain unclear, if they are announced in January, they should not be immediately available, as the mobile Penryn CPUs should not be officially available priori January 7th.

Last but not least: the last Intel compiler bringing SSE4 support is also compatible with Itanium CPU, which are the high-end Intel server CPUs. According to our sources, Apple might be launching a series of Xserve "Ultra" powered by Itanium 2 in a near future.

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2007-12-05/#7523

Anyone?

Peace · Dec 5, 2007, 01:58 PM

That's pretty close.

chameleon · Dec 5, 2007, 02:16 PM

Sounds like one of the most reasonable theories we've heard so far. Nothing too outlandish, but all plausible.

8 Cores on all systems is interesting. I guess that means we won't see a "4 Core Discount Mac Pro" in the $2,000-ish price range as some had suspected.

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 02:25 PM

It looks like Apple might want to make a big deal with the new Penryn chips that will be in all of their products next year. What bugs me is that the normal consumer does not care about "chip names." I don't understand how people have been calling MWSF a "consumer" expo when everyone that attends is in the "pro" field. Most consumers don't even know about MWSF. lol I just want Apple to be the first to release the new Penryns, but I guess that's not gonna happen.

jnc · Dec 5, 2007, 02:27 PM

The current 8-core option on Mac Pros is such a hefty premium, including 8 core as standard is surely going to hike the price up quite a bit?

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnc

The current 8-core option on Mac Pros is such a hefty premium, including 8 core as standard is surely going to hike the price up quite a bit?

I don't think so. Aren't the new Penryn 8-Cores the same price as the Woodcrest 4-Cores?

plumbingandtech · Dec 5, 2007, 02:34 PM

Any thoughts on ram prices for Peryns?

I bought mac pro ram when it was new and $$$$.

But now mac pro ram is dirt cheap.

Have you heard anything about Peryn ram prices?

thanks.

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plumbingandtech

Any thoughts on ram prices for Peryns?

I bought mac pro ram when it was new and $$$$.

But now mac pro ram is dirt cheap.

Have you heard anything about Peryn ram prices?

thanks.

There were rumors floating around that it might require different ram for more money too. There was also another rumor that it will still take the current ram it now uses, but won't work at its fullest.

Brendon Bauer · Dec 5, 2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peace

That's pretty close.

I have this slight feeling that you know what's going to happen. If I remember correctly, you've stated your "opinion" before and it came out to be true. You must have sources

plumbingandtech · Dec 5, 2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthraige

There were rumors floating around that it might require different ram for more money too. There was also another rumor that it will still take the current ram it now uses, but won't work at its fullest.

Thank you.

G4DP · Dec 5, 2007, 03:01 PM

Well it'll probably still be DDR2, so depending on the FSB speeds of the chips it'll either be all DDR2 800MHZ or the current stuff.

Not long to wait now.

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G4DP

Not long to wait now.

You're still using your G4, right? I just got this message in my disk utility yesterday...

This drive has reported a fatal hardware error to Disk Utility.

If the drive has not failed completely, back up as much data as you can and then replace it with a working drive.

So tempted to just get a MacPro now. lol I wanted a reason, and that might be it.

Pressure · Dec 5, 2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnc

The current 8-core option on Mac Pros is such a hefty premium, including 8 core as standard is surely going to hike the price up quite a bit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthraige

I don't think so. Aren't the new Penryn 8-Cores the same price as the Woodcrest 4-Cores?

Indeed, the old Dual-Core Xeons (65nm Woodcrest) and Quad-core Xeons (65nm Clowertown) are priced similar to the new Quad-Core Xeons (45nm Harpertown).

Quote:

Originally Posted by plumbingandtech

Any thoughts on ram prices for Peryns?

I bought mac pro ram when it was new and $$$$.

But now mac pro ram is dirt cheap.

Have you heard anything about Peryn ram prices?

thanks.

The i5400 chipset (Seaburg) has support for both 667Mhz and 800Mhz Fully Buffered DDR2 DIMMs. The latter will give you more bandwidth

plumbingandtech · Dec 5, 2007, 03:36 PM

Mmmm more bandwidth....

Umbongo · Dec 5, 2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plumbingandtech

Any thoughts on ram prices for Peryns?

I bought mac pro ram when it was new and $$$$.

But now mac pro ram is dirt cheap.

Have you heard anything about Peryn ram prices?

thanks.

800MHz FB-DIMMS will probably be around $100-$120 per GB (1 and 2 GB modules) for a while, prices will then come down some to the current 667MHz levels.

MacRumors · 12:48 AM

Hardmac claims that according to their sources, Mac OS 10.5.2 and new Mac Pros will be released at Macworld 2008. Among the claims:

Quote:

- Apple is actively working on Leopard to benefit as much as possible from the recently released Intel Mac OS X compiler and libraries, including SSE4 support. Mac OS X 10.5.2 should be released for the keynote and fully takes advantages of the last Intel compiler and libraries. According to our sources, it should be the largest and most important intermediate system update ever released by Apple.
- the new Mac Pro will be immediately available after the Keynote, and the hardware specifications should be as follow:
* 8 Core Xeon Penryn for all (3.2GHz for the high-end model)
* new graphic cards should be available, among them the latest Quadro FX from NVidia
* Apple should offer Blu-ray burner as BTO

Mac OS X 10.5.2 may very well come, as Apple often has to update the OS to support new hardware. Even if a new Mac Pro does not arrive, other more reliable rumors have pointed to an "ultra-portable" laptop being introduced at Macworld.

However, other aspects of the story lead to some doubt. Apple has typically not used Macworld to discuss its professional workstation or server line. In addition, claims that Apple will use Itanium 2 processors for an upcoming "Xserve Ultra" appears to be farfetched and remains uncorroborated from traditionally reliable rumor sources.

Article Link

darthraige · 04:22 PM

Sooooooo far away, January 15th is. I can't wait no more.

mrbc19 · Dec 5, 2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macrumors

Even if a new Mac Pro does not arrive, other more reliable rumors have pointed to an "ultra-portable" laptop being introduced at Macworld.

Article Link

Even if a Mac Pro does not arrive? NO! It must!

If the Mac Pro does not come Jan. 15, will it hold some sort of a record for being the product that has gone the longest without an update?

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macrumors

Apple has typically not used Macworld to discuss its professional workstation or server line.

I don't get it. How could Macworld be for consumers and not professionals? Almost all people attending the show are professionals. I just hope this MacPro comes out sooner than expected. Anyone know Steve Jobs' phone number? lol

MacsRgr8 · Dec 5, 2007, 04:25 PM

Eh.. Page 2??

Wouldn't this rumor be about the most anticipated hardware update since August 2006?

But.... I am waiting for this baby!!

darthraige · Dec 5, 2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacsRgr8

Wouldn't this rumor be about the most anticipated hardware update since August 2006?:

I know, right? It's like it disappeared off the grid.

floam · Dec 5, 2007, 04:32 PM

Bull. Apple doesn't use the Intel compiler. They use GCC. They haven't stopped using GCC. They need to build PowerPC binaries too, and you can make a universal mach-o image out of a ICC-built x86_64 binary and GCC-built PPC one. No way they've stopped using XCode or change Xcode up this much post-release, either. GCC can support SSE4 just fine on its own.

MacsRgr8 · Dec 5, 2007, 04:34 PM

Somehow it seems nobody believes that MWSF could be the stage for this *huge* update.

First Blu-Ray drives...
8 Cores over 3 GHz...
1600 MHz FSB...

Forget the "ultra thin" portable. MacBook LED updates.... yay..

Gimme this monster!!! Shake the Windows world with real life benchmark tests running Vista.

G4DP · 04:40 PM

Darth, resist the darkside you must. Easy, is the path to the darkside. Clear your mind. Focus your mind, your path has been chosen. 8 Core knight become you will.

I updated the drive in mine last year, I now have all three bays full. 360GB, what a massive amount of storage.

1st as bootable,
2nd for storage
3rd as my own time machine. Nothing wrong with doing it manually if you ask me.

I hope the old thing lasts, i'm going to keep it as an extra form of back up.

WHO GIVES A POO ABOUT A ULTRA PORTABLE!. YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY DO ANY SERIOUS WORK ON A SCREEN THAT'S 13", SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT SOMETHING SMALLER. WHY IS IT TOO BIG? IS IT TOO HEAVY FOR YOU TO CARRY. WELL BE A MAN AND GROW SOME. GOD GAVE YOU MUSCLES FOR A REASON. SO GET OF YOUR LARD A$$'$ AND USE THEM.

Anger vented

OllyW · Dec 5, 2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacsRgr8

Wouldn't this rumor be about the most anticipated hardware update since August 2006?

According to this poll, not really

Dec 5, 2007, 02:25 PM	#4
darthraige macrumors 65816 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston, MA	It looks like Apple might want to make a big deal with the new Penryn chips that will be in all of their products next year. What bugs me is that the normal consumer does not care about "chip names." I don't understand how people have been calling MWSF a "consumer" expo when everyone that attends is in the "pro" field. Most consumers don't even know about MWSF. lol I just want Apple to be the first to release the new Penryns, but I guess that's not gonna happen. __________________ MacPro 2 x 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Harpertown" 6GB RAM, 4TB, 2600XT, 1 SuperDrive, 1 Blu-Ray Burner MacBook 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

Dec 5, 2007, 02:27 PM	#5
jnc macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nunya, Business TX	The current 8-core option on Mac Pros is such a hefty premium, including 8 core as standard is surely going to hike the price up quite a bit? __________________ The views expressed above do not, and are not intended to represent or reflect the opinions, policies and/or statements of my employer(s).

Dec 5, 2007, 03:01 PM	#11
G4DP macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2007	Ram Well it'll probably still be DDR2, so depending on the FSB speeds of the chips it'll either be all DDR2 800MHZ or the current stuff. Not long to wait now. __________________ I don't need to brag about my mac, my wife is more than satisfied.

Dec 5, 2007, 04:17 PM	#17
darthraige macrumors 65816 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston, MA	Sooooooo far away, January 15th is. I can't wait no more. __________________ MacPro 2 x 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Harpertown" 6GB RAM, 4TB, 2600XT, 1 SuperDrive, 1 Blu-Ray Burner MacBook 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Last edited by darthraige : Dec 5, 2007 at 04:22 PM.

Dec 5, 2007, 04:25 PM	#20
MacsRgr8 macrumors 601 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	Eh.. Page 2?? Wouldn't this rumor be about the most anticipated hardware update since August 2006? But.... I am waiting for this baby!! __________________ Drag and Drop for Windows users: DRAG your peecee off your desk, and DROP it in the trash.

Dec 5, 2007, 01:58 PM	#2
Peace macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: On top of the Storm Peaks waiting for the Time-Lost Proto Drake	That's pretty close.

Dec 5, 2007, 02:16 PM	#3
chameleon macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2006	Sounds like one of the most reasonable theories we've heard so far. Nothing too outlandish, but all plausible. 8 Cores on all systems is interesting. I guess that means we won't see a "4 Core Discount Mac Pro" in the $2,000-ish price range as some had suspected.

Dec 5, 2007, 02:34 PM	#7
plumbingandtech macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jun 2007	Any thoughts on ram prices for Peryns? I bought mac pro ram when it was new and $$$$. But now mac pro ram is dirt cheap. Have you heard anything about Peryn ram prices? thanks.

Dec 5, 2007, 03:36 PM	#14
plumbingandtech macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jun 2007	Mmmm more bandwidth....

Dec 5, 2007, 04:32 PM	#22
floam macrumors member Join Date: Aug 2006	Bull. Apple doesn't use the Intel compiler. They use GCC. They haven't stopped using GCC. They need to build PowerPC binaries too, and you can make a universal mach-o image out of a ICC-built x86_64 binary and GCC-built PPC one. No way they've stopped using XCode or change Xcode up this much post-release, either. GCC can support SSE4 just fine on its own.

Dec 5, 2007, 04:34 PM	#23
MacsRgr8 macrumors 601 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	Somehow it seems nobody believes that MWSF could be the stage for this huge update. First Blu-Ray drives... 8 Cores over 3 GHz... 1600 MHz FSB... Forget the "ultra thin" portable. MacBook LED updates.... yay.. Gimme this monster!!! Shake the Windows world with real life benchmark tests running Vista. __________________ Drag and Drop for Windows users: DRAG your peecee off your desk, and DROP it in the trash.

Dec 5, 2007, 04:34 PM	#24
G4DP macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2007	The G4 is still struggling along. Darth, resist the darkside you must. Easy, is the path to the darkside. Clear your mind. Focus your mind, your path has been chosen. 8 Core knight become you will. I updated the drive in mine last year, I now have all three bays full. 360GB, what a massive amount of storage. 1st as bootable, 2nd for storage 3rd as my own time machine. Nothing wrong with doing it manually if you ask me. I hope the old thing lasts, i'm going to keep it as an extra form of back up. WHO GIVES A POO ABOUT A ULTRA PORTABLE!. YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY DO ANY SERIOUS WORK ON A SCREEN THAT'S 13", SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT SOMETHING SMALLER. WHY IS IT TOO BIG? IS IT TOO HEAVY FOR YOU TO CARRY. WELL BE A MAN AND GROW SOME. GOD GAVE YOU MUSCLES FOR A REASON. SO GET OF YOUR LARD A$$'$ AND USE THEM. Anger vented __________________ I don't need to brag about my mac, my wife is more than satisfied. Last edited by G4DP : Dec 5, 2007 at 04:40 PM. Reason: Venting Anger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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