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Old Jan 8, 2008, 09:56 AM   #1
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Upgrading old Mac Pro to 8800 GT graphics?

Does anyone know if it would be possible to upgrade the 1st generation mac pros to use the 8800 GT graphics card? They don't seem to be for sale separately on the Apple store yet.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 09:58 AM   #2
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Unclear from Apple direct. There might be a ROM flashing procedure if you bought one stock, however.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:03 AM   #3
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I just called them and apparently, they are not sold as standalone.

But now - Leopard has to have the nVidia 8800 Drivers and I was wondering if one could use a 3rd part card - maybe flash it ... all to exciting ... finally a good card for the MacPros
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:08 AM   #4
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I just called them and apparently, they are not sold as standalone.
The 1900s weren't sold separetly at first either. i would imagine the 8800s will be eventually. Why wouldn't they?
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:16 AM   #5
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Hmmm... true. Lets hope they are sold separately soon and at a decent price. Been waiting for a long time.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:17 AM   #6
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agreed. at least this time they picked a current card.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:21 AM   #7
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why wouldn't they?

Because most people using a Mac Pro right now who want an upgrade want a graphics upgrade and BluRay, not 4 more cores, so the incentive to buy a new Mac Pro is small if you can just get a modern graphics card to pop in your old one.

the flashing possibilities are very interesting to think about with this card out there now, though...


If they sell a stand-alone 8800, they will have to release 10.4 support for it as well...which would be great because the new mac pro will probably not work on 10.4 and I'm not going to deal with 10.5 again until it is fixed.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:26 AM   #8
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They are still selling the ATI card for 399$! If they continue to sell that card they need to drop that price.. or just drop it and add the new cards. I am not paying 399$ for that old card to upgrade the card in my Mac Pro. I am really hoping for options to buy the new cards or a cheaper ATI. 399 is ridiculous.. especially if it holds much longer at this point. But.. we will see.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:26 AM   #9
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why wouldn't they?

Because most people using a Mac Pro right now who want an upgrade want a graphics upgrade and BluRay, not 4 more cores, so the incentive to buy a new Mac Pro is small if you can just get a modern graphics card to pop in your old one.
So you think that Apple thinks by not selling a $3-400 graphics card as an upgrade to old mac pros, they will instead sell brand new ones for $3k to current mac pro owners just for the graphics card???????
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:26 AM   #10
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Well, the 8800GT will be on my 2008 Christmas list for my MP......
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:27 AM   #11
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why wouldn't they?

Because most people using a Mac Pro right now who want an upgrade want a graphics upgrade and BluRay, not 4 more cores, so the incentive to buy a new Mac Pro is small if you can just get a modern graphics card to pop in your old one.
Agreed!

All I want for my rig is a card that will be DX10 compatible. Have they ever had a situation where they did not sell the cards directly?
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:35 AM   #12
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Will they work ok as the 1st gen mac pros don't have PCI express 2.0?
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:43 AM   #13
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It's got to come available at some point, if only for nVidia's sales. And so many mac pro users have been complaining about the lack of decent up-to-date cards. When I bought my 8-core in the summer I naively thought I could stick any card in there as it had standard architecture. How wrong I was.

I'd buy it today if it were available, I've been waiting 8 months for this to happen. I wonder if I get my work to buy a new 8-core with a 8800GT I can swap the card out for my home 7300

*waits*
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:44 AM   #14
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PCIe v2 is backwards compatible (the difference is extra bandwidth, 32x lanes). 8800GT uses 16x lanes anyway so there's no benefit to PCIe 2.

Hope either Apple offers it at a reasonable price or someone flashes them soon...

edit: I double checked the specs. It is actually PCIe v2 compatible but doesn't require it. We're OK with older MPs.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:52 AM   #15
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I'm going to be pretty upset if I can't just get one of these 8800 GT's and drop it in my current Mac Pro. I already have 8GB of FB-DIMMS that aren't compatible with the new Mac Pro's, theres no way I want to upgrade to a new Mac Pro just to get better graphics. Frankly I'm very satisfied with my current Mac Pro, if I can just get a better graphics card. I'm worried about the 8800 GT not being compatible for some reason. I don't care if the card costs $399, $399 is a hell of a lot cheaper than $2799 for the machine plus the costs of another 6GB of 800mhz FB-DIMMS.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:54 AM   #16
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(copy/paste of my post in another thread that nobody care )

I was wondering... if I take a MacPro with a Radeon HD2600, could I buy a less expensive "PC" 8800GT later, flash it and use it in the MacPro ?
Taking a 8800gt now add a delay of 3-5 weeks before shipping... can't wait
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 10:57 AM   #17
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I'm going to be pretty upset if I can't just get one of these 8800 GT's and drop it in my current Mac Pro. I already have 8GB of FB-DIMMS that aren't compatible with the new Mac Pro's, theres no way I want to upgrade to a new Mac Pro just to get better graphics. Frankly I'm very satisfied with my current Mac Pro, if I can just get a better graphics card. I'm worried about the 8800 GT not being compatible for some reason. I don't care if the card costs $399, $399 is a hell of a lot cheaper than $2799 for the machine plus the costs of another 6GB of 800mhz FB-DIMMS.

We are in the same boat, I agree 110%....
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:01 AM   #18
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If you know someone who is buying a new mac pro, get them to BTO with an additional graphics card, and buy it off them. Quick solution if any machines are being ordered through work etc etc.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:05 AM   #19
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PCIe v2 is backwards compatible (the difference is extra bandwidth, 32x lanes). 8800GT uses 16x lanes anyway so there's no benefit to PCIe 2.

Hope either Apple offers it at a reasonable price or someone flashes them soon...
That's good news!

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... could I buy a less expensive "PC" 8800GT later, flash it and use it in the MacPro ?
Yes, that's my hope too. We will find out soon which 8800GT (or even GTX) will be flashable, will work with our Macs ... can't wait!
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:24 AM   #20
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It's in the UK Apple Online Store as an upgrade shipping in 8 days time for 220.

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...nd=nvidia+8800

Price is horrific - third party with flash to EFI sounds like a plan. Anybody know how much better it is than an ATI1900XT in real life (i.e. not much gaming)?
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:34 AM   #21
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OK - too impatient and twitchy trigger finger. Got it through Employee Purchase Programme for 202 against cheapest third party card 175.

ATI 1900XT soon to be on eBay!!
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:35 AM   #22
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just called the apple store

Im not really sure how smart this dude at the apple store was, but he said i could just buy an off the shelf 8800gt and put it in and it would work...... i guess we will have to see....
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 11:36 AM   #23
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... Anybody know how much better it is than an ATI1900XT in real life (i.e. not much gaming)?
better in real life and game life. lot's quieter, less power, better performance.

comparison HERE.

can't wait to buy or flash.
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Old Jan 8, 2008, 12:07 PM   #24
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yeah....

They need to get this up as an upgrade.. my piece of crap x1900 died 30 days out of warranty (of course) and I need this card. NOW. PLEASE.
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