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Old Oct 28, 2003, 03:53 AM   #1
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Apple releases iChat AV Final for Jaguar ($29.95)


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Old Oct 28, 2003, 06:15 AM   #2
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That price is a little high. Understanding what it does and is capable of doing, it might be worth it for some.

My notion is that Apple sets it high to encourage Panther sales. Might as well get a whole new OS right? But that's my opinion.

Maybe they could have let the user choose if they wanted to shell out the extra for iChatAV in Panther. But then again, many wouldn't adopt this great program because they're paying *extra*. Apple seems to do that a lot in their operating systems. They bundle a lot of stuff that people might not actually need, but they leave it in there for the user to discover and eventually the user doesn't know how they lived without these features.

random aside: Some people use Apple as plural, while I use it as singular?
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 07:58 AM   #3
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Well, Steve Jobs did say that they will be charging for Jaguar iChat AV as an incentive for people to upgrade to Panther.

And, Apple is a group of people, not separate individuals, and thus should be used as a singular.



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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:10 AM   #4
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Is the software included with the iSight?
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:17 AM   #5
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I think thats the moost single arguement right now with the iSight....for 140-something you think you would get the software!
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:32 AM   #6
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I think the iChat A/V software should be bundled with iSight even if it raises the prices 10 bucks more. It's a firewire cam and most companies don't even have one on the market atleast not until sometime next yr.

Is the iSight Firewire 400 or 800 or is it both?

I think offering the software also separate is good idea too because you will have alot folks not upgrading because they think the price is too high but want new verison of iChat. This will make them go out and buy new upgrade then just get iChat upgrade. But if they have EDU account then they shouldn't even think about it hell what would it cost 16-18 bucks? About same price as audio CD.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:33 AM   #7
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I think thats the moost single arguement right now with the iSight....for 140-something you think you would get the software!
well, again, apple has never backed away from taking even rather extreme steps to get you to keep up with their latest stuff.

and there are still some freaks that don't think OS 9 is dead...
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:46 AM   #8
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Not sure if this was specifically mentioned in a previous post.

In my opinion I think they should have 2 versions. One basic, for free, no audio/video, and then the AV which you pay for. If they want to go that route paying for something such as this. iChatAV should definitely be bundled with iSight at no extra charge. A $30 incentive for purchasing iSight.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 11:50 AM   #9
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In my opinion I think they should have 2 versions. One basic, for free, no audio/video, and then the AV which you pay for.
A good idea. Like Quicktime/Quicktime Pro.
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In my opinion I think they should have 2 versions. One basic, for free, no audio/video, and then the AV which you pay for. If they want to go that route paying for something such as this. iChatAV should definitely be bundled with iSight at no extra charge. A $30 incentive for purchasing iSight.
That's already the case. You can revert to iChat (not the AV version) provided with Jaguar and use that for free.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:06 PM   #11
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how great can it be when you can only use it with others who are running the same software ? it is extremely limited. Plus, lets not forget that our dear windoze friends have had this for a while. This is one thing - one of the few - where Apple was way behind. We did have third party apps, which worked decently though.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:10 PM   #12
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Not sure if this was specifically mentioned in a previous post.

In my opinion I think they should have 2 versions. One basic, for free, no audio/video, and then the AV which you pay for. If they want to go that route paying for something such as this. iChatAV should definitely be bundled with iSight at no extra charge. A $30 incentive for purchasing iSight.
default jaguar comes with iChat. that's just a AOL IM compatible chat app.

i agree iChat AV should be bundled with iSight. maybe putting in a CD might be redundant because people from now on will either upgrade to Panther or buy a machine with Panther loaded. maybe an online download key to get the iChat AV...

iPod comes with iTunes. so iSight should come with iChat AV.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:14 PM   #13
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how great can it be when you can only use it with others who are running the same software ? it is extremely limited. Plus, lets not forget that our dear windoze friends have had this for a while. This is one thing - one of the few - where Apple was way behind. We did have third party apps, which worked decently though.
i agree that apple was a bit slow in coming up with it. however, the fact you can only use it with others with the same software/hardware has its advantages. the most notable being it lets apple control the configurations - thus there's hardly anything that can go wrong when two iSight enabled iChat AVs try to connect.

it definitely follows in the great Apple line of "instant usability, right out of the box."

but again, i agree, the fact it's limited in the user base is a bottleneck. i imagine the popularity will increase once a certain critical mass of people sign up. until then, we have to rely on "must have the best and the latest" gadget geeks to make iSight more popular.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:24 PM   #14
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i have ichat AV (with panther) and I hate it... went back to AIM in minutes. I can't understand wtf apple is thinking with ichat, but I wouldn't use it for free, let alone for $30. ugh.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:37 PM   #15
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In my opinion I think they should have 2 versions. One basic, for free, no audio/video, and then the AV which you pay for.
Isn't that exactly what iChat(no AV) is?
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:45 PM   #16
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i have ichat AV (with panther) and I hate it... went back to AIM in minutes. I can't understand wtf apple is thinking with ichat, but I wouldn't use it for free, let alone for $30. ugh.
Can you elaborate on what it is you don't like?

Does using ichat AV require a .mac account?
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:54 PM   #17
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Guys -- bear in mind that even though iChat AV is now 1.0, the beta still works through the end of the year. I just received the following e-mail from Apple:

Your iChat AV beta software will expire in January 2004, but you can upgrade now to continue chatting with friends, family, and colleagues in full-screen video with full-duplex audio. iChat AV is now part of Mac OS X version 10.3 “Panther” along with over 150 other new features, like Exposé for instant access to any open window or desktop file, and a new Finder for easy access to everything you need no matter where it lives. Mac OS X Panther costs only $129 and is available today from the Apple Store. Shop online or visit an Apple Store near you.

If you wish to continue using iChat AV with Mac OS X Jaguar (v10.2.5 and later), you can purchase and download the upgrade online at the Apple Store for $29.95.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 12:57 PM   #18
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ichat av doesn't require a .mac account, it can use aim or .mac. i'm not that impressed with ichat av for panther (i use it all the time cuz aim for mac sux). unless you have a lot of friends who have macs, u shouldn't buy this, and can u still download the beta? my friend uses the beta al the time.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 01:07 PM   #19
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Looks like you can't download the beta anymore, not even from the download page. It is listed on the Apple downloads page but when you click the link to download, you get Apple's "Looking for Something at Apple" page. Did iChat come with Jaguar? Are you guys sure about that? I really didn't think that it did. In that case I can see why we would need 2 different versions of iChat.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 01:16 PM   #20
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well, again, apple has never backed away from taking even rather extreme steps to get you to keep up with their latest stuff.

and there are still some freaks that don't think OS 9 is dead...
Do you mean freaks as in it's their primary operating system? Isn't that still over 70% of Mac users?

Or do you mean freaks in terms of their being delusional as to how much support OS9 is going to continue to receive?

Many people who use Macs know nothing about OSX. Some know just enough to know that it's the next greatest thing, but it isn't effecting them. Other's find that it's still easier for them (or only possible for them) to do their work in OS9.

C'mon, you don't have to call them "freaks". They'll be onboard when either they 1) buy new hardware, 2) need new software, or 3) need to work with others who only accept new software.

Personally, I'd rather be compelled to upgrade than forced...
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Well, then iChat AV beta is clearly gray market software ... Apple will still let you use it through the end of the year if you can find it. So it seems to me that this is a case where peer-to-peer file sharing is 100 percent legit.

Perhaps a prominent Mac site should post the file and see what Apple says. I'm really surprised that they continue to push the $30 product because once you buy it, I think you become less likely to pay another $130 for Panther. A soft sell is the smart sell, in this case. If you pay $30, they should at least offer a rebate if you decide to buy Panther within a certain time frame.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 01:32 PM   #22
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So is ichat AV beta useless?

seconds after i posted this....i get a e-mail from apple saying iChat AV beta expires Jan,2004. Creepy.

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thats so not worth it.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 02:15 PM   #24
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Do people understand the facts here?
•Free iChat with Jaguar
•Free iChat AV with Panther
•If you purchase an iSight, you pay $30 to continue using iChatAV for Jag.
•If you purchase an iSight, and you have Panther, you pay nothing extra.
•Apple does not give iChat AV away with the cameras as a perk to the ones that own Panther. It is simple as that.
•iChat or iChatAV(Panther), are both free and work with any AIM account. .Mac is not needed.
•If you do not own an iSight or other camera, nothing changes with your iChat. You should simply revert back to iChat under the iChat application menu.
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Old Oct 28, 2003, 02:18 PM   #25
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A good idea. Like Quicktime/Quicktime Pro.
Ummm, they have this already. If you own Jaguar, you got a free copy of iChat without the AV. If you own Panther, you get the AV for free. I couldn't see any situation that you would need to download a non-AV copy unless you accidentally deleted it.
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