Register FAQ/Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Welcome to the Mac Forums forums. Please read the FAQ if you have questions. Register to participate.

 
Go Back   Mac Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors' Page 2 News Discussion
TouchArcade.com - iPhone Game Reviews and News

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread  
Old Mar 3, 2008, 06:42 AM   #1
MacRumors
macrumors bot
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Woz on MacBook Air, 3G iPhone... Reporters



Apple's co-founder, Steve Wozniak, spoke at a broadband conference in Australia. In a Q&A session with journalists, Wozniak spent some time relating his thoughts about some of Apple's newest products.

In general, he had similar thoughts and concerns as many readers have had on Apple's iPhone and MacBook Air. Specifically, Woz found that lack of 3G on the iPhone to be surprising:
Quote:
“I don’t understand why it would be a battery issue. I get as much life on my 3G phones as I do on my non-3G phones. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not paying close enough attention. But I don’t think that’s it though.”
On the MacBook Air, while he likes the design, he remains uncertain if it will fit into his lifestyle:
Quote:
The MacBook Air … actually I like it. At first, I thought, it’s so feature-missing, and I use … I burn DVDs a lot to pass files to other people. I watch movies on airplanes. I need one that will go an entire flight and switch batteries, when there’s sometimes no power on the plane.
Ironically, Woz also relates how his comments on Apple may get taken out of context:
Quote:
[Jobs] calls me and he says he doesn’t like something that I was reputed to have said. But he gets it out of context. A reporter’s seized on a comment and strung along with that. I’m very positive on Apple, but I’ll also point out things that could be better, or aren’t the way I’d like them to be.
To that point, several journalists have picked up this story with a very negative slant:

- Wozniak slams iPhone, MacBook Air
- Woz finds flaws in Apple's latest offerings
- Wozniak 'disappointed' by Apple iPhone
- Former Apple founder vents over iPhone's pitfalls


Article Link

Last edited by arn : Mar 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM.
MacRumors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 07:02 AM   #2
Roller
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Woz has always said what he really thinks, and I mostly agree with his comments, which certainly weren't completely negative.
Roller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 07:23 AM   #3
swingerofbirch
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: The Amalgamated States of Central North America
I didn't realize Jobs and Woz still talked. I wonder what their relationship is like. Obviously somewhat close if Jobs is calling Woz out on stuff.
__________________
Blog of Failure
After using a PC all day, coming home to my Mac is like a tall, cold glass of peach iced tea.
swingerofbirch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 07:27 AM   #4
Blue Velvet
Demi-Goddess (Moderator)
 
Blue Velvet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Steve Wozniak's Woz-Aura completely neutralises the Reality Distortion Field, you see.
__________________
It's a strange world.
Blue Velvet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 08:36 AM   #5
footOdorProblem
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRumors View Post
First they change his name to Wiz, and now he's no longer a founder of Apple?? Sounds like a bunch of haterz.
footOdorProblem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 08:38 AM   #6
freediverdude
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
I just wish the press wouldn't take his comments and then use the words "slams" or "vents" or things like that. Those are pretty harsh to use as the headline, and once you read the real comments, you see he isn't angrily slamming Apple as the headline is implying. People should want to read his comments because they are interesting, not because they're being misled by a headline.
freediverdude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 08:56 AM   #7
kwood
macrumors 6502a
 
kwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the Great White North.
I love the media always slanting the story whichever way they want to get ratings and readers.
__________________
Wait! Come back, he didn't mean it, he's a musician!
kwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 09:15 AM   #8
hob
macrumors 68000
 
hob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: London, UK
Why isn't

Steve Wozniak 'quite likes' new Apple products

so interesting as

STEVE WOZNIAK CALLS STEVE JOBS AN IDIOT!!1!!11



I would be more interested in sensible reporting of the facts!

Then again, if you see anything on the news that you have some expertise in - do you notice how many flaws there are in the reporting. So what about the stuff we have no idea about?
__________________
see robmac.net for my work
hob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 09:19 AM   #9
Popeye206
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
The Press.... UGH!

Seems it does not matter if it's Apple, Politics or some silly issue... the News Press and the Trade Press seem to always look for some way to over sensationalize a situation and make it seem worse than it really is... or a bigger deal than it really is. I really wish the press would get back to just reporting and not sensationalizing news. UGH!
Popeye206 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 09:32 AM   #10
autrefois
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Somewhere in the USA
"Wiz finds flaws in Apple's latest offerings"

We're off to see the Wizard
The wonderful Wizard of Woz
We hear Woz is a wiz of a wiz
If ever a wiz there was

Quote:
Originally Posted by footOdorProblem
First they change his name to Wiz[...]
The original article has "Woz" right, it's just a typo on Macrumors.
autrefois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 09:37 AM   #11
iStefmac
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Those 4 articles should infuriate anyone who cares about the accuracy of news.
iStefmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 09:45 AM   #12
kornyboy
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Knoxville, TN (USA)
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

I have always thought that it was interesting how the media portrays things. It goes to show how headlines can be sanded a certain way to gain readers.
__________________
Stuff
kornyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 10:41 AM   #13
DaBrain
macrumors 6502a
 
DaBrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: ERIE, PA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popeye206 View Post
Seems it does not matter if it's Apple, Politics or some silly issue... the News Press and the Trade Press seem to always look for some way to over sensationalize a situation and make it seem worse than it really is... or a bigger deal than it really is. I really wish the press would get back to just reporting and not sensationalizing news. UGH!
Sad to say, but we live in a world of HYPE!!!
DaBrain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 10:46 AM   #14
DMann
macrumors Demi-God
 
DMann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 10023
Journalism

Quote:
Originally Posted by freediverdude View Post
I just wish the press wouldn't take his comments and then use the words "slams" or "vents" or things like that. Those are pretty harsh to use as the headline, and once you read the real comments, you see he isn't angrily slamming Apple as the headline is implying. People should want to read his comments because they are interesting, not because they're being misled by a headline.
Unfortunately, journalism has the primary goal of SELLING. These negative headlines are what sells their stories, as the great majority of our population is primarily moved by controversy, scandal, and anything which can be potentially shocking. This libelous behavior is what makes journalism so sleazy and despicable, and yet, serves as advertisement in a potentially positive light, drawing the attention from those who initially were not considering purchasing a product, and inadvertently helping them to learn more about its positive features which they were previously unaware of. In this case scenario, there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity.
__________________
Think Different - Innovate
DMann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 10:58 AM   #15
twoodcc
macrumors 603
 
twoodcc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Right side of wrong
Send a message via AIM to twoodcc Send a message via MSN to twoodcc
wow, that's the media for you. and probably ruining it for us, since he'll probably be more reluctant to talk next time.

but it's good to hear what he thinks on the products
__________________
tville pump
Smarter than the average bear
twoodcc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 11:35 AM   #16
Digital Skunk
macrumors 68040
 
Digital Skunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Primarily in my Head
Different Types of Press

The online world is usually full of the muckraking, sleazy type of reporter. I hope many don't get them confused with the real press, the ones that have a lot more to loose if they break the code of ethics, which the online reports and magazines do all the time.

I like Woz a lot because he isn't caught up in the "Gotta love Apple" trap and he hates Kool-Aid. I love that he reputes the lack of 3G in the iPhone while the bone head reports say that it's a good thing.... whatever..! The iPhone's lack of 3G, AT&T's goofy EDGE network and the missing software make it a flop for real users. If you can get by with all of that and you like the toyish features of the iPhone then great.

The same thing with the MacBook Air. I love it, and would recommend it to anyone that already has a main machine, but I hope that the next version gets a removable, or higher capacity battery, and a faster HDD, or cheaper SSD.


Woz will tell the truth, while 90% of the media world will praise Apple's tech imperfections.
__________________
What do I have?, stuff that I actually use for work! Some old, some new, all effective.
Digital Skunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 11:51 AM   #17
jeffsab
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Skunk View Post
The online world is usually full of the muckraking, sleazy type of reporter. I hope many don't get them confused with the real press, the ones that have a lot more to loose if they break the code of ethics, which the online reports and magazines do all the time.
As a member of the "real" press, I appreciate that at least some people are aware that there are usually big differences between working at a national newspaper and sitting around the house in your pajamas and blogging. (Or even doing stand-ups in front of fires for your local evening "news" broadcast, for that matter.) Unfortunately this lack of distinction among many readers/viewers, especially the younger ones, is causing some "real" news outlets to lower their standards to better compete.
jeffsab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:00 PM   #18
sjo
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Quote:
“I don’t understand why it would be a battery issue. I get as much life on my 3G phones as I do on my non-3G phones. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not paying close enough attention. But I don’t think that’s it though.”
like a lot of ppl have been pointing out, that and the fact that generally wlan consumes more battery than 3g makes the battery excuse jobs been giving pretty ridiculous.
sjo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:07 PM   #19
Lord Sam
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: On a boat, with 286 cats and a dog. The dogs don't last very long.
Geez, Woz must be at least a little bit pissed that he didn't stick with his old company. I guess Stevie J must be a hard person to work with, and Woz is more a programmer/hardware designer/behind the scenes person than a big personality who takes credit for everything. No prizes for guessing who that might be. But you do have to admit that Jobs has a talent for the public stuff.
__________________
Microsoft V.I.S.T.A. (Viruses, Intruders, Spyware, Trojans and Adware)
Lord Sam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:14 PM   #20
nagromme
macrumors 601
 
nagromme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blinking blue dot
One additional Q: how thick/bulky is that 3G phone that gets the same 8-hour battery life as an iPhone? And are we comparing battery life for talking (beside the point) or for Web access? Because looking at usage stats, it seems people are browsing from their iPhones with Safari a LOT more than from phones with substandard mobile browsers. As such, those other phones will never NEED much battery life for Web browsing. Put that same 3G in an iPhone where browsing is actually effective, and see if it becomes an issue.

Technology marches on: if 3G a year ago would have been impractical in an iPhone, that doesn't mean the same problems continue this year. Jobs announced the 3G iPhone over a year ago--I don't think there's any secret agenda against 3G. I'm sure, though, that the decision to wait until a new generation of 3G chips could be discussed over many pages, and that Jobs's single sentence explanation was of course an oversimplification of the issues.
__________________
nagromme
Would you like a treatment?
nagromme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:17 PM   #21
inkswamp
macrumors 65816
 
inkswamp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Journalists have gotten incredibly lazy and often look for a narrative in the news instead of just reporting the facts. It's really unfortunate. I think that's a self-defeating approach to reporting. I work in the news media so I know this from my own experiences but it does seem that reporting about Apple gets a surprising amount of negativity.

Back in 1998, when the first iMac came out, I set up a spoof web page as a joke about the shape of the iMac, implying it looked like a toaster. (Wow! The Internet Archive actually collected the page and I was able to retrieve it and repost it for anyone interested in seeing it.)

The page got a lot of attention and traffic at the time and prompted a reporter from the Associated Press to contact me and interview me about the direction Apple was going (as if a joke on the Internet made me some kind of authority, but whatever.) My responses to her questions were all very positive, but I said I wasn't so sure about the lack of a floppy drive. The reporter ended up reporting me as skeptical about the iMac and cited my concerns about the lack of a floppy drive. And that was the extent of the use of my comments. All the positive were discarded and she focused solely on the one negative.
inkswamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:28 PM   #22
Doctor Q
macrumors god
 
Doctor Q's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: at the table with countless relatives
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRumors View Post
... Apple's co-founder, Steve Wozniak ... likes the ... very negative slant ...
Shame on Woz for liking negative stories. Unless I took this claim by MacRumors slightly out of context.

In some cases, articles report his opinions correctly, but the headline writers concentrate on the negative side.
__________________
"You've just been abducted, of course you need crepes!" -- Walter Bishop
Doctor Q is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:34 PM   #23
chr1s60
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: California
As far as his statement about 3G, he is wrong. Many tests have been done and shown that 3G chips do drain the battery life faster during certain types of usage. Up until the most recent 3G chips, the battery life on an iPhone would have been horrible when combining 3G with the large touchscreen.

At this point Woz should know that they media will take any little negative they can find and run with it.
__________________
15" MacBook Pro 3.06GHz, iPod 4G 20GB, iPod Classic 120GB, iPod Shuffle 4G, White iPhone 3G S⃣ 16GB,tv 160GB
chr1s60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 12:39 PM   #24
Fast Shadow
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hollywood, CA
I don't trust the judgment of any man who'd get into bed with Kathy Griffin. The fact is that Woz and Jobs both bailed out of Apple at one point. But it was Jobs who returned, put an entire company on the verge of failure onto his back, and carried it up a mountain to where it is now: One of the most powerful brands in the world. Jobs, not Woz.

Quote:
Originally Posted by swingerofbirch View Post
I didn't realize Jobs and Woz still talked. I wonder what their relationship is like. Obviously somewhat close if Jobs is calling Woz out on stuff.
They're still friends, or at least casually so. IIRC they were together for the iPhone launch at the Apple store in SF.
Fast Shadow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 2008, 01:04 PM   #25
Digital Skunk
macrumors 68040
 
Digital Skunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Primarily in my Head
I don't think Woz was incorrect on his statement about 3G. It's not like he has anything to gain from saying that the phone should have had 3G. In fact it should have had a lot of things that make it a poor choice of a cell phone.

Besides... I would place money on Woz knowing more about technology than most of the users here do. I would have rather the phone been locked into a better network though. AT&T's network is garbage.
__________________
What do I have?, stuff that I actually use for work! Some old, some new, all effective.
Digital Skunk is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Mac Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors' Page 2 News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:51 PM.

Mac News | Mac Rumors | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2002-2009, MacRumors.com, LLC