Final Cut Pro Upgrade in the Works

MacRumors · Oct 31, 2003, 11:35 AM

ThinkSecret has a brief update indicating that the next major Final Cut Pro upgrade will bring significant ("double-digit percentages") speed optimizations for the PowerMac G5.

The last major upgrade for Final Cut Pro (4.0) started shipping in June.

DanUk2003 · Oct 31, 2003, 11:37 AM

sounds good...

I would like to see LiveType modules included within FCPExpress - or at least as a seperate piece of software like SoundTrack is.

LiveType's great!

Kirtus · Oct 31, 2003, 11:39 AM

G5 here I come!

ImAlwaysRight · Oct 31, 2003, 11:41 AM

I would really like to purchase Final Cut Express for my dual 2.0 G5, as that app has been out for 10 months or so now, and was wondering if anyone has any info on upgrades for FCE. I am going to wait to buy until that is updated.

IndyGopher · Oct 31, 2003, 11:48 AM

I would hope, with FCP4 being less than 6 months old, that Apple would find a way to offer either a STEEP discount, or even a free upgrade, to owners of G5's. Of course, if it takes a year to get it out the door then that would not be the case.
The problem then, is whether Apple would delay shipping an update because of that. There are arguments on both sides.. if you bought FCP because you were happy with the way it worked on your old machine, then you don't necessarily deserve a free update to make it work better on a newer machine. On the other side, if Apple can, through a patch or plugin make it work better on a newer machine, I think that it is reasonable to expect them to do that. If it requires a whole new version to incorporate those improvements, then the regular upgrade discount should be good enough.

djdarlek · Oct 31, 2003, 12:12 PM

so long as the double digits aren't '00' i'm happy

dave

sethypoo · Oct 31, 2003, 12:59 PM

I hope iMovie gets some upgrades too, can't wait until I can afford Final Cut Pro!

pgwalsh · Oct 31, 2003, 01:43 PM

I suppose when I finally buy a G5 early next year I'll be switching from Premier to Final Cut Pro. Doesn't make much sense to stick with Premier now that they've stopped developing for the Macintosh....

But have so much $$$ into Premier and After Effects... Crapolla

I heard there was a crossgrade deal?

bathysphere · Oct 31, 2003, 01:43 PM

i really hope apple releases a free g5 update for final cut pro 4, i just bought it for chrissakes. either that, or a super cheap update to the new version (ie $100 or under).

Dahl · Oct 31, 2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sethypoo
I hope iMovie gets some upgrades too, can't wait until I can afford Final Cut Pro!

If you haven't used FCP and/or haven't used it for pro work, there's no reason to get it right away. I think you should get Final Cut Express for $300, it has all th features most people need and you can always udgrade directly to FCP if you need it later.

Quote:

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I suppose when I finally buy a G5 early next year I'll be switching from Premier to Final Cut Pro. Doesn't make much sense to stick with Premier now that they've stopped developing for the Macintosh....

But have so much $$$ into Premier and After Effects... Crapolla

I heard there was a crossgrade deal?

Why not get Final Cut Express first ? Apple still have the very awesome Final Cut Express/Premiere promotion going. See here: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jul/16fcp.html
It could be that the promotion is over, but it's worth checking out.
You can either get a great deal on FCP or FCE for free...
I traded in my Premiere CD for a new FCE box, best promo deal in a long time.

ennerseed · Oct 31, 2003, 02:10 PM

as far as new enhancements go I really wish Apple would get z axis (depth) added to the positioning in FCP.

pgwalsh · Oct 31, 2003, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dahl
If you haven't used FCP and/or haven't used it for pro work, there's no reason to get it right away. I think you should get Final Cut Express for $300, it has all th features most people need and you can always udgrade directly to FCP if you need it later.

Why not get Final Cut Express first ? Apple still have the very awesome Final Cut Express/Premiere promotion going. See here: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jul/16fcp.html
It could be that the promotion is over, but it's worth checking out.
You can either get a great deal on FCP or FCE for free...
I traded in my Premiere CD for a new FCE box, best promo deal in a long time.

HEY! Thanks for the link...
One issue is if I upgrade to FCP then I get $500 and if I go to FCE I pay nothing, but to upgrade to FCP it's $699. That's a big difference.

jelloshotsrule · Oct 31, 2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ennerseed
as far as new enhancements go I really wish Apple would get z axis (depth) added to the positioning in FCP.

isn't that more the realm of after effects/combustion/shake? seems kinda overkill... there's plenty to improve on the editing side of things...

newmacusr · Nov 1, 2003, 02:29 PM

Wow... an upgrade... wonder if this one will work without continual crashes and Kernel panics? So far our G5 has made a really nice looking doorstop....

Rod Rod · 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ennerseed
as far as new enhancements go I really wish Apple would get z axis (depth) added to the positioning in FCP.

maybe it's not the same exact thing, but it's close -- you can already adjust for the z-axis by using "scale" in the motion tab. of course x and y are adjustable with "center."

to get to the main topic here - FCP 4 should get recompiled specifically for the G5, and the G5-specific FCP 4 should be released as 4.1.G5.

all the features and functionality would be identical between G4 and G5 versions. the only difference would be the G5 would kick the butt it was always intended to.

(edited to get directly on topic)

Genie · Nov 2, 2003, 02:06 AM

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endo...puter50pix.jpg
I got FCE and am trying to decide whether to move over to it from the AfterFx world... any advice?

LethalWolfe · Nov 2, 2003, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Genie
http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endo...puter50pix.jpg
I got FCE and am trying to decide whether to move over to it from the AfterFx world... any advice?

Why would you want/need to move away from AE? FCE/P is an editing app while AE is a compositing app. FCE/P won't replace AE unless all you use AE for is basic compositing.

Lethal

Genie · Nov 3, 2003, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Why would you want/need to move away from AE? FCE/P is an editing app while AE is a compositing app. FCE/P won't replace AE unless all you use AE for is basic compositing.

Hmmm... I thought Apple was saying FCP integrates the two functions into one app... was that just marketing hype?

Dahl · Nov 3, 2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Genie
Hmmm... I thought Apple was saying FCP integrates the two functions into one app... was that just marketing hype?

Almost.
As far as I know FCP have a lot of effects what you can find in AE, but it's still not really a substitute for AE. If you do a lot of effects you will probably still need AE.

I'm dying to get Shake, but what's way to expensive for me right now. Besides, it may be too much for my needs anyway.

iGav · Nov 3, 2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dahl
I'm dying to get Shake, but what's way to expensive for me right now. Besides, it may be too much for my needs anyway.

Shake is the bomb!

LethalWolfe · Nov 7, 2003, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Genie
Hmmm... I thought Apple was saying FCP integrates the two functions into one app... was that just marketing hype?

In you first post you said you had FCE and were deciding if you should move over to "it." By "it" did you mean FCE or FCP? FCP does have better than average compositing ability for an NLE, and I've stopped using AE as much since I got FCP, but I still use AE if I'm going to be doing something complex. FCP is a editor w/strong compositing abilities, but depending on your needs it's not a replacement for a compositing app.

Now, FCE, is a hamstrung FCP. I've never used it but I know they've limited it's keyframeing ability and that can only hurt it's compositing ability.

Lethal

Genie · Nov 7, 2003, 02:28 AM

Sometimes I like to break apart the photoshop layers of my CD covers and animate fly-throughs of them in 3d space...

That's what I used AfterFX for that I coldn't do in Premiere...

Is FCE/FCP able to do that?

stoid · Nov 10, 2003, 06:25 PM

FCP does break apart Photoshop layer for separate management, so with individual control over image size, and position, you should be able to do the fly-through.

Dahl · Nov 10, 2003, 06:38 PM

Genie, you can import your layered Photoshop files into Final Cut Express just like After Efffects.

I just watched this DVD which came for free with my copy of FCE. I haven't worked in FCE yet, but I know both A.E. and Premiere and FCE looks like a program that is just as good, if not better. At least if you aren't doing major compositing. I love that FCE has color correction, I'll be using that a lot.

manitoubalck · Nov 10, 2003, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I suppose when I finally buy a G5 early next year I'll be switching from Premier to Final Cut Pro. Doesn't make much sense to stick with Premier now that they've stopped developing for the Macintosh....

But have so much $$$ into Premier and After Effects... Crapolla

I heard there was a crossgrade deal?

I use Adobe After FX 5, a long with Vegas 4.0 for my vidoe work, Premier is way to slow, and hard to use.

Oct 31, 2003, 11:35 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Final Cut Pro Upgrade in the Works ThinkSecret has a brief update indicating that the next major Final Cut Pro upgrade will bring significant ("double-digit percentages") speed optimizations for the PowerMac G5. The last major upgrade for Final Cut Pro (4.0) started shipping in June.

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Kirtus macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bay City, Mi	G5 here I come! __________________ If it were the end of the world, trust me I'd know!

Oct 31, 2003, 11:41 AM	#4
ImAlwaysRight macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002	What about Final Cut Express? I would really like to purchase Final Cut Express for my dual 2.0 G5, as that app has been out for 10 months or so now, and was wondering if anyone has any info on upgrades for FCE. I am going to wait to buy until that is updated.

Oct 31, 2003, 12:12 PM	#6
djdarlek macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2003	so long as the double digits aren't '00' i'm happy dave __________________ no use for a signature

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sethypoo macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento, CA, USA	I hope iMovie gets some upgrades too, can't wait until I can afford Final Cut Pro! __________________ Weeeeeee!

Oct 31, 2003, 11:37 AM	#2
DanUk2003 macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Worthing, UK	sounds good... I would like to see LiveType modules included within FCPExpress - or at least as a seperate piece of software like SoundTrack is. LiveType's great!

Oct 31, 2003, 11:48 AM	#5
IndyGopher macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN	I would hope, with FCP4 being less than 6 months old, that Apple would find a way to offer either a STEEP discount, or even a free upgrade, to owners of G5's. Of course, if it takes a year to get it out the door then that would not be the case. The problem then, is whether Apple would delay shipping an update because of that. There are arguments on both sides.. if you bought FCP because you were happy with the way it worked on your old machine, then you don't necessarily deserve a free update to make it work better on a newer machine. On the other side, if Apple can, through a patch or plugin make it work better on a newer machine, I think that it is reasonable to expect them to do that. If it requires a whole new version to incorporate those improvements, then the regular upgrade discount should be good enough.

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pgwalsh macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Menlo Park, CA	I suppose when I finally buy a G5 early next year I'll be switching from Premier to Final Cut Pro. Doesn't make much sense to stick with Premier now that they've stopped developing for the Macintosh.... But have so much $$$ into Premier and After Effects... Crapolla I heard there was a crossgrade deal? __________________ My Widget: F@H WUdget My Business: KAHE Sparkling Nectars

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bathysphere macrumors member Join Date: Oct 2003	i really hope apple releases a free g5 update for final cut pro 4, i just bought it for chrissakes. either that, or a super cheap update to the new version (ie $100 or under).

Oct 31, 2003, 02:10 PM	#11
ennerseed macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	enhancements as far as new enhancements go I really wish Apple would get z axis (depth) added to the positioning in FCP. __________________ Times are hard for dreamers - Amelie

Nov 1, 2003, 02:29 PM	#14
newmacusr macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2003	Wow... an upgrade... wonder if this one will work without continual crashes and Kernel panics? So far our G5 has made a really nice looking doorstop....

Nov 2, 2003, 02:06 AM	#16
Genie macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2003 Location: heaven	http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endo...puter50pix.jpg I got FCE and am trying to decide whether to move over to it from the AfterFx world... any advice? __________________ Free songs for your love ... G5 pics ... GEAR CLOSET.

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Genie macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2003 Location: heaven	Sometimes I like to break apart the photoshop layers of my CD covers and animate fly-throughs of them in 3d space... That's what I used AfterFX for that I coldn't do in Premiere... Is FCE/FCP able to do that? __________________ Free songs for your love ... G5 pics ... GEAR CLOSET.

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stoid macrumors 68040 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So long, and thanks for all the fish!	FCP does break apart Photoshop layer for separate management, so with individual control over image size, and position, you should be able to do the fly-through. __________________ Get Salted!

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Dahl macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dane in L.A.	Genie, you can import your layered Photoshop files into Final Cut Express just like After Efffects. I just watched this DVD which came for free with my copy of FCE. I haven't worked in FCE yet, but I know both A.E. and Premiere and FCE looks like a program that is just as good, if not better. At least if you aren't doing major compositing. I love that FCE has color correction, I'll be using that a lot.

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