iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?

[MacRumors]

The iPhone Dev Team published a a screenshot of what is reported to be a jailbroken iPhone 2.0 installation. According to ModMyiPhone's sources, the Dev team has already jailbroken the beta 2.0 iPhone firmware that Apple has only released to a limited number of testers. The jailbroken iPhone freely allows installation of iPhone applications, bypassing Apple's $99/year developer program which includes an official developer certificate.

"Jailbreaking" is the method by which iPhone owners have been able to install unofficial 3rd party applications on the iPhone. A thriving development community has emerged producing a number of free and useful applications.

While Apple's iPhone Software Development Kit (SDK) announcement will likely diminish interest in the unofficial iPhone developer community, the process of jailbreaking will likely continue. By choosing to be the sole distributor of iPhone applications, Apple has set some editorial guidelines on what it deems appropriate iTunes Store applications. The jailbreaking process will allow users to install those applications which fall outside of Apple's guidelines. The list of unallowed applications currently include emulators, scripted languages, background applications, VOIP over cellular, and unlocking applications.

Apple will be releasing the final iPhone 2.0 firmware in June alongside the launch of the iTunes App Store. The iPhone SDK is currently available for free download.

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[Bubba Satori]

Wow, didn't see this coming.

[miketcool]

That was ridiculously fast. Gives me hope for a 3G phone running well on T-Mobile.

[pavvento]

Originally Posted by miketcool

That was ridiculously fast. Gives me hope for a 3G phone running well on T-Mobile.

I don't really see how the two are related. This doesn't change the fact that the iPhone is not 3G, and that T-Mobile (at least in the U.S.) has no 3G coverage.

[mcarnes]

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

[notnek]

Awesome speed. Though I'll stick with my jailed iPhone.

[TravisReynolds]

dang.. some people are desperate

[onionperson654]

One major question is how this will impact us in the upcoming months. Will we see additional iphone/ipod functionality before the June release date, including games, email upgrades, additional natively written 3rd party apps, etc.

I'm having a hard time waiting, and wanted at least a couple of teaser games to come out with the SDK was scheduled to come out, but I guess we just have to wait longer. Luckily, my ipod it keeping me up to date due to RSS feeds, so I can obsses every minute!

[Wolf04]

Originally Posted by mcarnes

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Why would they? Jailbroken iPhones are awesome. Glad the hacking community are still hard at work.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Originally Posted by mcarnes

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

[matthewHUB]

here's to hoping this enables an unlock app.

[scrambledwonder]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

But Apple has better tailors.

[filmguy15]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

Whoa, this guy's on to something! Turns out companies exist to.......MAKE MONEY!!!

There will ALWAYS be corporations that control. There will ALWAYS be self-righteous people who get pissed about it, while the gifted ones attempt to start the "revolution", and those same revolutionaries will ALWAYS turn into the suits they once hated, once their ideas take off. Get over it.

Magnum, I don't mean to dump all over just you....it's just posts and posts of built up garbage and it had to come out sometime :P


Anyway, on a lighter note, lets all cheer on the hackers for jailbreaking! And then act confused and blame Apple when they write a virus that brings all of our phones down......
I don't quite understand, however, why the writers of the jailbreak made it public so soon? It just gives Apple a chance to fix the hole. If I were them I would wait until 2.0 is released. Then again, what is hacking if not a cause for bragging rights?

[jay-t]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

Freedom of choice doesn´t mean that you are allowed to do everything you want! It means that you have the freedom to choose whether you want to pay for a product or not. Jailbreaking is just illegal!!

[moracity]

Yet you freely hand your money over them. You are the greedy one. Producing a product and try to control the quality of that product is not fascist. You don't even know what fascism is...but I'm sure you'll run over to Wikipedia and become an expert.

Maybe companies should just quit creating products so we don't have to listen to a-holes like you.

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

[i.maverick]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

rite on..now all i want is fr the guys to use the SDk and gimme some apps on installer, if they would work on 1.1.4
that would be awesome

[starflyer]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

Or maybe they are both for-profit companies and they do what they think is the best way for them to make a profit.

Originally Posted by pine1045

Apple failed to deliver quality 3rd party apps at release so people did it themselves..

Um... If Apple provided them, would they still be third party apps?

[kingtj]

I've gotta say, this really isn't about "fascism". That's WAY too dramatic and exaggerated. The bottom line is, companies have a DUTY to maximize revenue. Their stockholders wouldn't have bought into the businesses in the first place if that wasn't an implicit promise to them.

Within the realm of what's legal, a company SHOULD try to come up with as many ways as possible to earn a profit for their efforts. Microsoft is much despised because they're seen as crossing the line of what's legal (and seemingly getting away with it in most cases).

I don't think Apple is seen in quite that same light. Being a *hardware* as well as a software company, they're more interested in offering a "bundled alternative" to a generic PC running Microsoft software. OS X is simply part of a whole "computer experience" they want to sell people. They *might* stand to make more money if they started marketing OS X by itself, for use on any PC clone out there. But obviously, that's not their business model right now. (I think they realize how much control you lose over the whole thing when your software gets installed on who knows what quality of machine.)

Lately, it appears like Apple has been pretty "neutral" about the jailbreaking projects. Why do you think the 1.1.4 firmware took NO extra effort to jailbreak from 1.1.3? Why do you think 2.0 beta was broken so quickly? It's obviously not a priority of theirs to PREVENT hackers from doing any of this.

I think from Apple's point of view, the *only* reason they won't open it ALL up wide open with the SDK is the fact they're partnered up with AT&T in a unique fashion with this whole iPhone thing. They get a cut of monthly contract revenue from them (unheard of in the industry), and AT&T apparently invested a lot of up-front money in the iPhone project.

Just like the way Apple probably PREFERRED not to even do DRM on their music, but did anyway - they're making a few choices they probably don't prefer to make with the phone right now. Sometimes you have to make a few concessions in order to move an industry forward.

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

Maybe for the same reason you can't be sued for putting whatever software you want on a PowerMac or a PC running Windows. Apple needs to learn that people are going to put what THEY WANT on their desktops, laptops and smart phones, not what Apple wants them to put on it. Others just seem to think that's OK. Personally, I hate fascism in any form. I say thumbs up to jailbreak, bypassing Apple stores, monopolies and general denial of freedom of choice. While I like Macs better than PCs because of OSX, I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

[irun5k]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

To be fair, Microsoft is a lot more open in certain areas than Apple. Microsoft doesn't usually keep their developers in the dark and they don't pull this over-arching secrecy crap all the time.

[koobcamuk]

Originally Posted by mcarnes

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Might be a dumb question here; why sue them? I think this is great. If it makes it worse for the 'legal' people, then revolt. Be "illegal". What's so illegal about unlocking and jailbreaking the phone anyway? Don't you own it?

[pounce]

why would you want a jailbroken phone when apple will be releasing the new 2.0 software and apps which are approved and likely to be much better will be released via the app store? i'd feel better installing properly blessed apps then jailbreaking a 2.0 phone for developers that can't play by the rules or can't afford to pay 99 bucks. that makes me too nervous in the face of real open development for the phone. the sdk is likely to get me everything i want for my phone and more, and any developer would be foolish to require a jailbroken phone instead of releasing through the app store.

[GQB]

I officially no longer care now that jailbreaking is about to become the domain of an infinitesimal number of hobbiests.
I can see the fun of it, but its irrelevant.

(Kinda strikes me as the same appeal as smokers who roll their own.)

[gnasher729]

Originally Posted by mcarnes

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

For what reason? You can go to a store and buy an iPhone, without signing any contract. Not that it is very useful in this state. That iPhone is yours, and you can do with it whatever you want. You can nail it to the wall, if you want, or you can install software on it that Apple doesn't want you to install. There is nothing they can do about it in legal terms. (Of course, in the USA anyone can sue anyone for any reason or without any reason. So Apple can sue, they just cannot win).

Originally Posted by bmk

You are being a bit naive - hackers are not circumventing DRM so that they can help people put cds they own on their car stereos. They do it so they (and by extension the people who download music for free) don't have to pay money to the artists who created the music (and of course the evil bloated corporate record company which owns them). The issue is not a black and white one - if DRM was more reasonable/flexible less people would try and get round it. We all know that it is not 'fair' to the artist to download a track we haven't paid for, but how many people can say that they have paid for ALL the digital content they have on their computers/iPods?

Did you know that of all the money that the RIAA has made in various court cases, so far not one penny has gone to any artists?

Anyway, DRM on downloaded music is stupid when the same music can be bought on a CD without any copy prevention. What point is there to keep ten percent of the customers from sharing music?

Originally Posted by winterspan

I don't know about "circumnavigating" DRM, but it can certainly always be circumvented.

If you download music from iTMS, burn it on a CD, then rip it with Apple Lossless compression, all using standard Apple software that every Mac or Windows user can download for free directly from Apple, that could be called "circumnavigating"

Originally Posted by jay-t

Freedom of choice doesn´t mean that you are allowed to do everything you want! It means that you have the freedom to choose whether you want to pay for a product or not. Jailbreaking is just illegal!!

You are right in that it is illegal for convicted criminals to leave their jail without permission, but modifying your own iPhone to allow installing of third party software is not illegal in any way.

[olternaut]

Originally Posted by mcarnes

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

Because it is not illegal? I don't particularly care about the opinions of other countries but in this case I have to kinda side with them. They laugh at the U.S. and the primitive condition of our cellular phone market. Its illegal in a lot of other countries to lock a phone to one carrier. But even so, for the iphone to be the success that it is (at least thus far) Steve had to cut the deal that he did with AT&T.

[diamond.g]

Originally Posted by zephead

Not gonna happen. T-Mobile's 3G will be on 1700/2100MHz, while AT&T's is on 850/1900MHz. And I don't think Apple will add extra bands for a carrier that it doesn't support.

Apple will have to add bands anyways EU uses 1900/2100 for 3G while we use 850/1900 so there is a good chance the 3G portion would work on T-Mobile. Otherwise they would have to make 2 (or more) different phones, 1 for the US and 1 for EU and anyother countries that use different bands.

EDIT: hmm I can't read, lol yeah t-mobile 3G wouldn't work, but HSUPA technically could work as would LTE.


That is why 4G is going to be so great. Everything becomes IP based, so it doesn't matter how you get on the network all communication will be done via IP. The underlying connection becomes less important.