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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:30 AM   #1
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Apple Researching 3D Stereoscopic Displays






A new patent application from Apple details how to implement a 3-dimensional stereoscopic display. While 3d images have been around for years, Apple points out that computational power has advanced to the point where these true 3d images can be rendered and animated in realtime. Apple specifically explores the implementation of "autostereoscopic" systems that don't require the viewer to be wearing special glasses or goggles.

Apple believes its system addresses issues found in previous implementations of 3d and involves tracking the observer to ensure proper rendering of the 3d image regardless of where their exact position. Their system involves real time modulation of left/right sub images to be projected to the observer's left/right eyes individually. Apple also claims it can accommodate multiple observers to provide "a unique and personal 3D visual experience to each individual observer, with each visual experience (i.e., projected image) selectively being similar or different from the others, as desired."

As with all patent applications, we're uncertain when this will make its way out of the labs and into consumers hands, but Apple appears to be continuing to explore alternative interfaces for consumer use. What's interesting is that this is not the first time we've heard of Apple exploring stereoscopic displays. In 2002, Apple was said "to have other flat-panel technologies cooking in the labs, including stereoscopic displays."



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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:33 AM   #2
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:33 AM   #3
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does this involve straining your eyes, like when you try to look at 3d picture books?
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:34 AM   #4
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Is this to the iMovie ?
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:41 AM   #6
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Way cool...never stop innovating. Perhaps this goes hand in hand with a flip/dual screen touch technology where an image is projected from two screens that ends up somewhere in the middle.

Kind of like Obiwan whipping out his Apple iHologram and saying to Watto, "I need parts for a J-type 327 Nubian" "Ah yes. Nubian. We have lots of that."
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does this involve straining your eyes, like when you try to look at 3d picture books?
no, they project different images to each eye.

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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:45 AM   #8
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This would be awesome for GIS work. I think it could even be used in CAD as well.
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:51 AM   #9
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:54 AM   #10
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Great idea, only problem is that only one person get see the 3D effect at a time. Notice the part where the ssystem tracks the vier's eye location and continously adjuusts for movement. Not a problem on a computer but it looks like this is not for a living room TV set.

This would work well with my other idea, using the builtin webcam to sense hand movement rather then using the touch pad. Take a lot more "compute power" to use a camera but them the user could interact with the 3d objects floating in front of him. They would need two web cams to track the hands in 3D. A 3D video conference could be done too.

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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:55 AM   #11
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Now this looks exciting.
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 11:55 AM   #12
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This has a precedent

Someone else already did this. I saw it. If you sat in just the right position, everything was 3-D. Some people could see the effect from 20 feet away; others needed to work at it, and still others never could see it. Software had to be written for it. They thought they could sell it to the intelligence community for when they analyze satellite maps, but it didn't sell.

It was impressive, but not terribly useful.

If Apple uses a different approach, which I'm sure they are doing, if they can make the effect apparent even when you aren't sitting in a precise position, and if they can build it into the user interface, it could work.

Apple has a habit of taking the ideas behind other people's failures and making them into wild successes. Like for instance the MP3 player.
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interesting. i really don't see this coming to consumers, but you never know with apple
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 12:02 PM   #15
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It is the future. If you think how many different areas it could be used in...

Medical, airports, army, business video conferencing... It will hit all of these first, then in 10 or 15 years time start to become a reality for consumers.

Imagine watching a film at home that looks more like visiting the theatre for a play, except with CGI... Imagine watching a sports match and it is much closer to feeling like you are watching it live... The possibilities are endless!!

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If Apple uses a different approach, which I'm sure they are doing, if they can make the effect apparent even when you aren't sitting in a precise position, and if they can build it into the user interface, it could work.
It says in the article that Apple tracks the position of the observer so it doesn't require sitting in a precise position.

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Great idea, only problem is that only one person get see the 3D effect at a time.
actually, it can handle multiple viewers

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When such multiple observers are present, the 3D imager 130 or other scanning system (as described earlier above) continuously and simultaneously detects and defines the individual shapes and locations of each of the multiple observers. Then the modulation function 602 and the image data signal 702 are suitably modified to track the locations and orientations of each of the multiple users to enable and control the appropriate unique and individual image data streams and spatial reflections related to each individual observer. In this manner, it is readily possible to simultaneously provide a unique and personal 3D visual experience to each individual observer, with each visual experience (i.e., projected image) selectively being similar or different from the others, as desired.
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 12:09 PM   #18
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Not good.

My wife, who is a graphic designer, is blind in one eye. She cant see 3D and there are tons of others out there who can't.

Until they find a way to make 3d possible with only one eye, this is pointless.
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 12:12 PM   #19
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Sounds like Head Tracking to me

Anyone seen the youtube video of Head Tracking for the Wii? Looks like similar technology. I'll post the link here...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
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Not good.

My wife, who is a graphic designer, is blind in one eye. She cant see 3D and there are tons of others out there who can't.

Until they find a way to make 3d possible with only one eye, this is pointless.
I don't mean to be rude if you are serious, but if you aren't being sarcastic, you realize it is physically impossible to have 3d with only one eye, right?
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Not good.

My wife, who is a graphic designer, is blind in one eye. She cant see 3D and there are tons of others out there who can't.

Until they find a way to make 3d possible with only one eye, this is pointless.
not to be completely indifferent to your wife's plight, if any company focused on making sure every product is usefull to each and every of the 6+ billion people on earth, we'd never have anything new. just because (assumption for hyperbole) .00001% of the people out there cannot see out of one of their eyes does not mean apple shouldn't be working on developing 3D technology . . .
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It is the future. If you think how many different areas it could be used in...

Medical, airports, army, business video conferencing... It will hit all of these first, then in 10 or 15 years time start to become a reality for consumers.

Imagine watching a film at home that looks more like visiting the theatre for a play, except with CGI... Imagine watching a sports match and it is much closer to feeling like you are watching it live... The possibilities are endless!!

My future children will have a ball
And yes, your future children will have ball - only in virtual 3D!

And don't forget games. That will probably be the first consumer developed use.
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Wow. Now that would be something.
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 12:17 PM   #24
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Not good.

My wife, who is a graphic designer, is blind in one eye. She cant see 3D and there are tons of others out there who can't.

Until they find a way to make 3d possible with only one eye, this is pointless.
And likewise, because there are deaf people in the world, all speakers are pointless!



Since when does a product have to appeal to 100% of the population?
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Old Mar 20, 2008, 12:17 PM   #25
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My wife, who is a graphic designer, is blind in one eye. She cant see 3D and there are tons of others out there who can't.
So in other words; Stop developing displays 'cause some people are blind? -and stop developing speakers 'cause some people are deaf?
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