Apple posts Java update for Panther, improving functionality...

MacBytes · Nov 13, 2003, 03:55 AM

Category: Apple Software
Link: Apple posts Java update for Panther, improving functionality and stability for both 1.3.1 and 1.4.1.

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Approved by arn

alia · Nov 13, 2003, 08:16 AM

I tried to install this update on my Mom's imac and all it did was crash the software updater application. I don't know if it is that her installation of panther is bad, or if there's just a problem with the update...

Alia

crabbyapple · Nov 13, 2003, 08:38 AM

Just downloaded and installed with no problems. Install went perfect on 10.3.1.

Pale Fire · Nov 13, 2003, 09:06 AM

No problems for me either (on 10.3.1)

lynnpye · Nov 13, 2003, 10:10 AM

Those (like me) who did an upgrade instead of an archive/install and found their Java installation broken (HotSpot not found at virtual address message) will still have this problem after this upgrade.

I have upgraded to 10.3.1 and when I saw this Java update, I thought it might fix the problem, but it didn't.

Guess I'll have to go grab my disk and do the manual update *sigh*.

a_kim · Nov 13, 2003, 10:13 AM

Installed fine on my 17 inch powerbook running 10.3.1 (clean install). No problems so far.

Chaszmyr · Nov 13, 2003, 10:18 AM

Doesn't show up in my Software Update

a_kim · Nov 13, 2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Doesn't show up in my Software Update

Yeah, it didn't show up in mine either. I had to download the installer from Apple's site.

Does anybody know of any "problematic" java app web pages that I can test this update with?

Trowaman · Nov 13, 2003, 10:22 AM

Show'd up on my software update last night about (10 p.m. central)

~Trowaman

ChoMomma · Nov 13, 2003, 10:23 AM

Not showing up on SW Update,
running 10.3.1 from a 10.2 --> 10.3 Upgrade.

arn · Nov 13, 2003, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lynnpye
Those (like me) who did an upgrade instead of an archive/install and found their Java installation broken (HotSpot not found at virtual address message) will still have this problem after this upgrade.

See this link

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2099.html

arn

AmigoMac · Nov 13, 2003, 10:37 AM

No issues, PB 12" rev A. 10.3.1 from an update...

lynnpye · Nov 13, 2003, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by arn
See this link

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2099.html

arn

Hi arn,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I've seen that technote. It says you have to pull up the pkg for the Java install, which is what I was referring to when I said I would have to pull up my install disks and do the manual update.

greenstork · Nov 13, 2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by a_kim
Yeah, it didn't show up in mine either. I had to download the installer from Apple's site.

Does anybody know of any "problematic" java app web pages that I can test this update with?

Yahoo>Games>Dominoes stopped working for me with 10.3 but always worked in Jaguar.

Photorun · Nov 13, 2003, 10:52 AM

Hmmm, Apple's JAVA is almost as bad as M$'s JAVA. Still takes forever to load weather.noaa dopler radar and weather.com radar doesn't auto scroll in Safari. Worked in earlier builds almost a year ago, those would be beta Safari versions and much earlier JAVA builds. Works a little better in IE. Both sites and applets work perfectly on my peecee.

sethypoo · Nov 13, 2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Doesn't show up in my Software Update

Mine either.....I'm running 10.3.1.....hmm, what gives?

a_kim · Nov 13, 2003, 11:16 AM

I wonder if Software Update is checking whether computers actually need the java fix. Is this a possibility? It would make sense to me since not everyone had the broken Java.

Foxer · Nov 13, 2003, 11:16 AM

It was in mine last night sometime before I checked at 10.30 - installed with no problem (dual g5, 10.3.1)

ntg · Nov 13, 2003, 11:26 AM

Strangely, an iBook updated saw it last night, whereas my work G4-533DP with a clean install (after it was filevaulted!) doesn't see it!

Weird, huh!

nig.

birdFEEDER · Nov 13, 2003, 12:20 PM

For those of you (myself included) who did not see it in their Software Update, it is because it is not required. From the tech notes:

The problem described above does not occur on the following configurations:

* Upgrade installations of Panther from Jaguar systems without the QuickTime for Java Update, v6.4 update.
* "Erase and Install" installations of Panther
* "Archive and Install" installations of Panther

Hope that helps...

eogold · Nov 13, 2003, 12:31 PM

Here's my situation:

Already upgraded to Panther 10.3.1 after initally using the "Upgrade" option to install 10.3.

I just successfully installed the Panther Java update. Then followed the instructions per this technote:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2099.html

Discovered I needed the repair ("HotSpot not at correct virtual address. Sharing disabled. java version "1.4.1_01""), so per instructions I reinstalled java from my Mac 10.3 disk. Rebooted - no more error message.

The technote goes on to say:

"If you have installed the "Security Update 2003-10-28" before following these steps you will additionally need to reinstall that update, as the Java package on the CD precedes it".

So I followed the directions and trashed the SecurityUpd2003-10-28.pkg receipt, and then attempted to re-download it using Software Update. However Software Update now does not show the Security Upddate 2003-10-28.

So I manually downloaded it and tried to install it. However, when I try to manually install the update I get the message:

"SecurityUpd2003-10-28 cannot be installed on this computer. This update requires Mac OS X v10.3 before this software can be installed."

I assume this is because I have already updated to 10.3.1.

So now I don't know what to do...

-- Do I need to do a manual re-install of the new Panther Java update?

-- How do I re-install the Security Update 2003-10-28?

Help!

Eric

MattG · Nov 13, 2003, 12:51 PM

It's not in my software update, and when I went to Apple's support page to get it, the page says:

"We are in the process of revising the Java 1.4.1 download to provide better compatibility with changes made in other recent Apple software updates. Check back here for up-to-date information on the status of the Java 1.4.1. download.

bousozoku · Nov 13, 2003, 12:59 PM

I haven't seen the update but I just checked per the tech note and I have the correct version.

It's odd--I had dialup and decided to wait to load QuickTime 6.4 with Panther. Maybe some ISP could use this as part of their advertising campaign--"There are advantages to dialup!".

iamscientist · Nov 13, 2003, 01:22 PM

I have a problem and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this...

I updated my OS from 10.2 to 10.3 and then to 10.3.1. My Java is messed up, but I did download Java update 1.4.1. However, Terminal does not read 1.4.1 as being installed, it only reads 1.3.1. Because of this, I don't know if I am able to manually update and fix the problem. Does anyone know if Mac will have a user-end solution soon?

MacBandit · Nov 13, 2003, 01:32 PM

You will most likely only see the update if you have the Java failure issue.

From what I have read this Java update is targetting users that did an update install rather then a clean install. There is no reason to do this install if you did a clean install and you're java should be working normally.

You can check your Java install by opening the terminal and typeing "Java -Version" without the quotes and with the space. If it doesn't say anything about ,"Hot spot not at correct," and it says Java 1.4.1 01 then you are fine.

Nov 13, 2003, 03:55 AM	#1
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Nov 13, 2003, 08:16 AM	#2
alia macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL	I tried to install this update on my Mom's imac and all it did was crash the software updater application. I don't know if it is that her installation of panther is bad, or if there's just a problem with the update... Alia __________________ Proud owner of a 1.25 Ghz 15" Powerbook Check out my photography

Nov 13, 2003, 10:10 AM	#5
lynnpye macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2003	Doesn't fix Panther breakage Those (like me) who did an upgrade instead of an archive/install and found their Java installation broken (HotSpot not found at virtual address message) will still have this problem after this upgrade. I have upgraded to 10.3.1 and when I saw this Java update, I thought it might fix the problem, but it didn't. Guess I'll have to go grab my disk and do the manual update sigh.

Nov 13, 2003, 10:13 AM	#6
a_kim macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: DC	installed fine Installed fine on my 17 inch powerbook running 10.3.1 (clean install). No problems so far.

Nov 13, 2003, 10:23 AM	#10
ChoMomma macrumors 6502 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Near a Jack in the Box... I could go for some curly fries about now..	Not showing up on SW Update, running 10.3.1 from a 10.2 --> 10.3 Upgrade. __________________ -- iMac 24" 2.1ghz/3GB/250/superdrive

Nov 13, 2003, 08:38 AM	#3
crabbyapple macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Concord, NH	Just downloaded and installed with no problems. Install went perfect on 10.3.1.

Nov 13, 2003, 09:06 AM	#4
Pale Fire macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	No problems for me either (on 10.3.1)

Nov 13, 2003, 10:18 AM	#7
Chaszmyr macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boulder, CO	Doesn't show up in my Software Update

Nov 13, 2003, 10:22 AM	#9
Trowaman macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CD: TX-22	Show'd up on my software update last night about (10 p.m. central) ~Trowaman

Nov 13, 2003, 10:37 AM	#12
AmigoMac macrumors 68020 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: l'Allemagne	just came from the restart... No issues, PB 12" rev A. 10.3.1 from an update... __________________ No Mac no fun...

Nov 13, 2003, 10:52 AM	#15
Photorun Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NYC	Hmmm, Apple's JAVA is almost as bad as M$'s JAVA. Still takes forever to load weather.noaa dopler radar and weather.com radar doesn't auto scroll in Safari. Worked in earlier builds almost a year ago, those would be beta Safari versions and much earlier JAVA builds. Works a little better in IE. Both sites and applets work perfectly on my peecee.

Nov 13, 2003, 11:16 AM	#17
a_kim macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: DC	software update I wonder if Software Update is checking whether computers actually need the java fix. Is this a possibility? It would make sense to me since not everyone had the broken Java.

Nov 13, 2003, 11:16 AM	#18
Foxer macrumors 65816 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Falls Church, VA	It was in mine last night sometime before I checked at 10.30 - installed with no problem (dual g5, 10.3.1) __________________ Luck is the residue of design. - Branch Rickey 24" iMac - MacBook Air - Apple //c "I'll buy almost anything if it is shiny and made by Apple."

Nov 13, 2003, 11:26 AM	#19
ntg macrumors regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK - Rushden, Northants	Strangely, an iBook updated saw it last night, whereas my work G4-533DP with a clean install (after it was filevaulted!) doesn't see it! Weird, huh! nig. __________________ "Life without Walls"? - so no need for Windows!! Life is a sexually-transmitted terminal illness with interesting side-effects!!

Nov 13, 2003, 12:20 PM	#20
birdFEEDER macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chicago	For those of you (myself included) who did not see it in their Software Update, it is because it is not required. From the tech notes: The problem described above does not occur on the following configurations: * Upgrade installations of Panther from Jaguar systems without the QuickTime for Java Update, v6.4 update. * "Erase and Install" installations of Panther * "Archive and Install" installations of Panther Hope that helps...

Nov 13, 2003, 12:31 PM	#21
eogold macrumors newbie Join Date: Mar 2002	Problems with Java Manual fix!!! Here's my situation: Already upgraded to Panther 10.3.1 after initally using the "Upgrade" option to install 10.3. I just successfully installed the Panther Java update. Then followed the instructions per this technote: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2099.html Discovered I needed the repair ("HotSpot not at correct virtual address. Sharing disabled. java version "1.4.1_01""), so per instructions I reinstalled java from my Mac 10.3 disk. Rebooted - no more error message. The technote goes on to say: "If you have installed the "Security Update 2003-10-28" before following these steps you will additionally need to reinstall that update, as the Java package on the CD precedes it". So I followed the directions and trashed the SecurityUpd2003-10-28.pkg receipt, and then attempted to re-download it using Software Update. However Software Update now does not show the Security Upddate 2003-10-28. So I manually downloaded it and tried to install it. However, when I try to manually install the update I get the message: "SecurityUpd2003-10-28 cannot be installed on this computer. This update requires Mac OS X v10.3 before this software can be installed." I assume this is because I have already updated to 10.3.1. So now I don't know what to do... -- Do I need to do a manual re-install of the new Panther Java update? -- How do I re-install the Security Update 2003-10-28? Help! Eric

Nov 13, 2003, 12:51 PM	#22
MattG macrumors 68030 Join Date: May 2003	It's not in my software update, and when I went to Apple's support page to get it, the page says: "We are in the process of revising the Java 1.4.1 download to provide better compatibility with changes made in other recent Apple software updates. Check back here for up-to-date information on the status of the Java 1.4.1. download.

Nov 13, 2003, 12:59 PM	#23
bousozoku Retired (Moderator emeritus) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gone but not forgotten.	I haven't seen the update but I just checked per the tech note and I have the correct version. It's odd--I had dialup and decided to wait to load QuickTime 6.4 with Panther. Maybe some ISP could use this as part of their advertising campaign--"There are advantages to dialup!".

Nov 13, 2003, 01:22 PM	#24
iamscientist macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2003	I have a problem and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this... I updated my OS from 10.2 to 10.3 and then to 10.3.1. My Java is messed up, but I did download Java update 1.4.1. However, Terminal does not read 1.4.1 as being installed, it only reads 1.3.1. Because of this, I don't know if I am able to manually update and fix the problem. Does anyone know if Mac will have a user-end solution soon? __________________ Your style is unorthodox, but effective.

Nov 13, 2003, 01:32 PM	#25
MacBandit macrumors 601 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Springfield, OR (Home of the Simpsons)	You will most likely only see the update if you have the Java failure issue. From what I have read this Java update is targetting users that did an update install rather then a clean install. There is no reason to do this install if you did a clean install and you're java should be working normally. You can check your Java install by opening the terminal and typeing "Java -Version" without the quotes and with the space. If it doesn't say anything about ,"Hot spot not at correct," and it says Java 1.4.1 01 then you are fine. __________________ Folding@Home "Folding FAQ," for more information. Fold with your PS3. Message me on the Playstation Network ID 'MacBandit'

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