Apple Adds Java SE 6 to Leopard

MacRumors · 07:11 PM

Today, Apple issued a 57MB update to Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), adding support for Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_05.

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This Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 1 adds Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_05 to your Mac. This update does not replace the existing installation of J2SE 5.0 or change the default version of Java.

The update requires Mac OS X 10.5.2 or later, and a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. Apple had previously seeded a developer's preview of Java SE 6 for Leopard to ADC developers.

The lack of Java 6 support when Leopard was released had received much criticism.

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LukeHarrison · Apr 29, 2008, 04:38 PM

Ooh, good news!

EDIT: Ah, just seen that it's Intel only, maybe not so good.

nineteentwelve · Apr 29, 2008, 04:38 PM

Now they just need to add it to the iPhone.

darthraige · Apr 29, 2008, 04:40 PM

Yayyyy, new computer when I get home. Love downloading updates! Keep em comin'.

nineteentwelve · Apr 29, 2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MacRumors

The update requires Mac OS X 10.5.2 or later, and a 64-bit Intel-based Mac.

I've just installed this on my MacBook. So it doesn't need a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. Just an Intel-based Mac.

cloudnine · Apr 29, 2008, 04:42 PM

Stupid question, but how does this benefit the end user?

Just curious

AnthonyKinyon · Apr 29, 2008, 04:42 PM

Original posting said: "The update requires Mac OS X 10.5.2 or later, and a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. "

Sounds like a decent update but how come there's no 32-bit version for early Intel Mac Mini machines, or any update for PowerPC at all, even if the system is running Leopard? Seems kind of odd that they'd just "forget about" all of those loyal users. Maybe an update for those machines is forthcoming.

socamx · Apr 29, 2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nineteentwelve

I've just installed this on my MacBook. So it doesn't need a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. Just an Intel-based Mac.

All Core 2s (and the Xeons Apple has used so far) are 64 bit, only older Core Duo/Solo Macs aren't 64 bit Intel.

Eraserhead · Apr 29, 2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeHarrison

EDIT: Ah, just seen that it's Intel only, maybe not so good.

And 64 bit only

. This is lame Apple.

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Originally Posted by cloudnine

Stupid question, but how does this benefit the end user?

Just curious

They can run applications designed for Java SE 6, which I imagine adds new features for developers.

damacus · Apr 29, 2008, 04:44 PM

Anyone have an idea why they didn't also release this for the PPC?

Claytoniss · Apr 29, 2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyKinyon

Sounds like a decent update but how come there's no 32-bit version for early Intel Mac Mini machines, or any update for PowerPC at all, even if the system is running Leopard? Seems kind of odd that they'd just "forget about" all of those loyal users. Maybe an update for those machines is forthcoming.

Yes what about the loyal PPC people! Maybe tomorrow?

daneoni · Apr 29, 2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nineteentwelve

I've just installed this on my MacBook. So it doesn't need a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. Just an Intel-based Mac.

Your MacBook is a Core 2 Duo surely thats a 64-bit processor?

On another note, why did they ignore Tiger...it is a 64-bit OS after all....at least on some level

Eraserhead · Apr 29, 2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by daneoni

Your MacBook is a Core 2 Duo surely thats a 64-bit processor?

Yes. Any Core 2 Mac is 64 bit.

nineteentwelve · Apr 29, 2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by daneoni

Your MacBook is a Core 2 Duo surely thats a 64-bit processor?

My mistake. You learn something new everyday, huh?

AnthonyKinyon · Apr 29, 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by daneoni

Your MacBook is a Core 2 Duo surely thats a 64-bit processor?

Yes, all Core 2 Duo CPUs are 64-bit. Core Duo is 32-bit.

Cromulent · Apr 29, 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by damacus

Anyone have an idea why they didn't also release this for the PPC?

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Originally Posted by Claytoniss

Yes what about the loyal PPC people! Maybe tomorrow?

I guess because they decided it wasn't worth the effort. Every computer sold for the last year or so has been a 64bit Intel computer and will continue to be so. I guess they decided that they may as well support the computers that will be in most use in the future.

socamx · Apr 29, 2008, 04:47 PM

Maybe noting in the article which Macs are 64 bit Intel would be helpful for people, this really only applies to newer Macs and leaves a lot hanging.

AnthonyKinyon · Apr 29, 2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nineteentwelve

My mistake. You learn something new everyday, huh?

Well you just learned you have a 64-bit CPU instead of a 32-bit one. Free upgrade.

Sort of. In other words, its better than you thought it was.

Cromulent · Apr 29, 2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by socamx

Maybe noting in the article which Macs are 64 bit Intel would be helpful for people, this really only applies to newer Macs and leaves a lot hanging.

I doubt it shows up for computers without the required components. Anyone want to confirm or deny this for reference?

Eraserhead · Apr 29, 2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cromulent

Every computer sold for the last year or so has been a 64bit Intel computer and will continue to be so.

Mac Mini's before last August were 32 bit.

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Originally Posted by Cromulent

I guess they decided that they may as well support the computers that will be in most use in the future.

Come on, this is lame, Java applications for Mac STILL won't be able to use Java 6 that was released for Windows 18 months ago, they'll be pissing off too many users still using older Macs. There is no defending this move, Java doesn't require a 64 bit processor to run.

AnthonyKinyon · Apr 29, 2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by socamx

Maybe noting in the article which Macs are 64 bit Intel would be helpful for people, this really only applies to newer Macs and leaves a lot hanging.

Anything Core 2 Duo or above is 64-bit Intel (IA64).

Anything Core Duo is 32-bit Intel (IA32/x86).

Anything Gx (G5, G4 G3) is PowerPC (PPC).

You can check by going to the Apple Logo at the top left and clicking "About This Mac" to see what you've got.

big_malk · Apr 29, 2008, 04:50 PM

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This Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 1 adds Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_05 to your Mac. This update does not replace the existing installation of J2SE 5.0 or change the default version of Java

This might be another silly question, but why wouldn't it replace the older version of Java? And why not make it the default version? Since I assume newer means better...?

socamx · Apr 29, 2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cromulent

I doubt it shows up for computers without the required components. Anyone want to confirm or deny this for reference?

I'm sure it doesn't, but clarification is always nice to keep confusion down.

Doesn't show up on my dual G5 for obvious reasons though. Hopefully it'll get pushed out for all Macs.

Eraserhead · Apr 29, 2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by big_malk

This might be another silly question, but why wouldn't it replace the older version of Java?

Because some applications are version specific.

Apple is very Microsoftian on Java (well except for the backwards compatibility)

Cromulent · Apr 29, 2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Mac Mini's before last August were 32 bit.

Fair enough. I thought they stopped them earlier.

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Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Come on, this is lame, Java applications for Mac STILL won't be able to use Java 6 that was released for Windows 18 months ago, they'll be pissing off too many users still using older Macs. There is no defending this move, Java doesn't require a 64 bit processor to run.

Lame or not that is the situation.

I don't know if you have followed the developer previews but iirc they have been 64bit Intel only too meaning PPC and 32bit Intel releases are unlikely any time soon. Hopefully I'm wrong on that.

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Apr 29, 2008, 04:38 PM	#3
nineteentwelve macrumors regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shrewsbury, UK	Now they just need to add it to the iPhone.

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cloudnine Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA	Stupid question, but how does this benefit the end user? Just curious

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AnthonyKinyon macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2006	Original posting said: "The update requires Mac OS X 10.5.2 or later, and a 64-bit Intel-based Mac. " Sounds like a decent update but how come there's no 32-bit version for early Intel Mac Mini machines, or any update for PowerPC at all, even if the system is running Leopard? Seems kind of odd that they'd just "forget about" all of those loyal users. Maybe an update for those machines is forthcoming.

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socamx macrumors 6502 Join Date: Oct 2004	Maybe noting in the article which Macs are 64 bit Intel would be helpful for people, this really only applies to newer Macs and leaves a lot hanging.