3G iPhone in May, Another Device at WWDC?

[infowarfare]

Originally Posted by probably

A PrefPane checkbox to completely convert almost every part of the Cocoa widget toolkit to totally different specs. I don't think so.

And why would there be an option to make the computer unusable? That's comical.

I guess no one sees that Leopard's current GUI could not work with fingers of varying fatness that would occlude any of the tinier clickable interfaces and make tapping a blind affair.

Oh yawn. Get over it already. No one sees what you see because you are shortsided. Leopard can and WILL work with finger based multitouch. And people said the exact same thing about the iPhone's interface before its release yet it seems to be doing quite well.

Originally Posted by Chupa Chupa

But the OP wrote:

As I stated in a previous thread, I did not create this image, it was found as an upcoming ad for WWDC

My point is that Apple would not put out an ad with the Apple logo off centered in just a sloppy way. We are not talking about renderings here, we are talking about what the OP purports to be a real live Apple ad. Now, maybe he was being tongue and cheek and I missed that, but to me he seemed to think it was real.

Ahh, I see what you meant now... though it could be an unfinished pre-release [mockup] of the ad, yes?

[macduke]

Originally Posted by philgilder

so? nowhere has said iphone 3g has to run firmware 2.0 ot the box

Really? You honestly think Apple is going to release their brand new, state of the art phone with a 1.1.5 firmware that just adds the 3g and / or gps code? Then do what...update the firmware to allow all the new apps and features a few weeks later? That would be retarded, good sir.

I can see the headlines now: "Apple Releases 3g iPhone, Still No 3rd Party Apps". That would be a FAIL. Thats what one of the major gripes about the original was, and I'm sure they want people to know from the beginning that it supports new apps, and that won't happen until 2.0 is installed. Most iPhone owners I know don't even know when a new firmware comes out or what it does. They just know what the phone did when they bought it. Same for the iPod Touch. My roommate's girlfriend has one and she didn't know she could buy mail, maps, etc until I asked if she had downloaded it. The average consumer doesn't keep up with this stuff like we do.

I know its never been stated anywhere that the 3g iPhone has to run software 2.0 out of the box, but use your heads people. Seriously. Either Apple has completed the 2.0 software ahead of schedule, or we will see the 3g iPhone sometime later when it is finished. It could be true that the 3g iPhone has nothing to do with the AT&T employee vacation time block restriction, as the interface itself wouldn't change much so they wouldn't need much training. What would be interesting is if this AT&T thing is for the 3g iPhone. Why would they need that much time? For training? Are there going to be THAT many new features?? I am certainly hoping that is the case.

[infowarfare]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

That's why it's more likely they will release this new iPhone early with little fanfare and a completely new product at WWDC along with the SDK (that will bridge the iPhone's touch abilites with the Macbook line, as per my "things are getting touchy" post!)

Originally Posted by hlynurge

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In light of recent news, anyone care to revisit and speculate on the meaning of the two diverging Golden Gate bridges on the WWDC poster...

Originally Posted by hlynurge

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I wonder, are the bridges diverging, or CONVERGING, ie Mac+iPhone= tablet?

That's what I've been saying all along! And I reiterate, Things ARE getting touchy!



Trust me on this and remember, you heard it here first!

[probably]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

Oh yawn. Get over it already. No one sees what you see because you are shortsided. Leopard can and WILL work with finger based multitouch. And people said the exact same thing about the iPhone's interface before its release yet it seems to be doing quite well.

That isn't analog. We've been using mouse and keyboard OS X for a long time now - it clearly isn't about touch usability. I'm PRETTY sure, and maybe some of the every-single-modern-mac-users would agree, it was constructed for a mouse/trackpad and keyboard. It doesn't matter what hidden frameworks or APIs are underneath (and CocoaTouch is not one of them right now), the GUI is made for a cursor.

The iPhone proved pre-release doubters wrong by demonstrating (after it got into reviewers hands) that it was *completely* focused on compensating for the shortcomings of using fingers and enhancing the things fingers do make easier. And it does this spectacularly and with unprecedented grace.

edit: I'm going to stop checking this thread because trying to explain to you the point you're missing is making me sad.

[infowarfare]

Originally Posted by probably

That isn't analog. We've been using mouse and keyboard OS X for a long time now - it clearly isn't about touch usability. I'm PRETTY sure, and maybe some of the every-single-modern-mac-users would agree, it was constructed for a mouse/trackpad and keyboard. It doesn't matter what hidden frameworks or APIs are underneath (and CocoaTouch is not one of them right now), the GUI is made for a cursor.

The iPhone proved pre-release doubters wrong by demonstrating (after it got into reviewers hands) that it was *completely* focused on compensating for the shortcomings of using fingers and enhancing the things fingers do make easier. And it does this spectacularly and with unprecedented grace.

And you are so shortsided that you can't seem to make the [very small leap] on how they will translate that unprecedented grace of user experience over to a Tablet?

That's what get's me about you. You agree they can pull it off with the iPhone but you act like its some huge technological hurdle beyond Apple's capabilities to implement this into a laptop (even though they've already taken the first step with development on the iPhone and the second step on the Macbook Air.)

Come on, open your mind a bit...

[MattInOz]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

That's what I've been saying all along! And I reiterate, Things ARE getting touchy!



Trust me on this and remember, you heard it here first!

Oh you tease....
Would think screen more iTouch than Leopard.

[Akzel]

All I want is a new Macbook with decent graphics card, or a new Macbook Pro with newer design before the next uni term. Is that too much to ask?

[dicklacara]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

You are so completely wrong on this. Leopard (which is what iPhone is running) DOES support multitouch. In case you missed it, the latest Macbooks now have multitouch trackpads to slowly ease people into the feel of multitouch on a Macbook. Transfering those gestures from trackpad to screen is not that big of a leap (it's all already built into Leopard which you would have known if you did your research.) And still no stylus needed...

Apple has a patent application to use multitouch entry of handwriting-- you use your fingers as if you were holding a pen or stylus. The software, essentualy triangulates a point within your thumb & 2 fingers as a virtual pen. Try it on a flat surface-- very natural!

[probably]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

And you are so shortsided that you can't seem to make the [very small leap] on how they will translate that unprecedented grace of user experience over to a Tablet?

That's what get's me about you. You agree they can pull it off with the iPhone but you act like its some huge technological hurdle beyond Apple's capabilities to implement this into a laptop (even though they've already taken the first step with development on the iPhone and the second step on the Macbook Air.)

Come on, open your mind a bit...

It's not at all beyond Apple to do this: I just don't think a third platform to develop for is what people were looking to find out at WWDC. That's kind of a buzzkill - especially when none of the listed course/workshop offerings give you more information about it

edit: oh and since you've used it twice now: 'shortsided' is not a word, or at least the word you mean to say.

Originally Posted by dicklacara

Apple has a patent application to use multitouch entry of handwriting-- you use your fingers as if you were holding a pen or stylus. The software, essentualy triangulates a point within your thumb & 2 fingers as a virtual pen. Try it on a flat surface-- very natural!

Ooh that does feel nice!

[infowarfare]

Originally Posted by probably

That isn't analog. We've been using mouse and keyboard OS X for a long time now - it clearly isn't about touch usability. I'm PRETTY sure, and maybe some of the every-single-modern-mac-users would agree, it was constructed for a mouse/trackpad and keyboard. It doesn't matter what hidden frameworks or APIs are underneath (and CocoaTouch is not one of them right now), the GUI is made for a cursor.

The iPhone proved pre-release doubters wrong by demonstrating (after it got into reviewers hands) that it was *completely* focused on compensating for the shortcomings of using fingers and enhancing the things fingers do make easier. And it does this spectacularly and with unprecedented grace.

edit: I'm going to stop checking this thread because trying to explain to you the point you're missing is making me sad.

Originally Posted by infowarfare

And you are so shortsided that you can't seem to make the [very small leap] on how they will translate that unprecedented grace of user experience over to a Tablet?

That's what get's me about you. You agree they can pull it off with the iPhone but you act like its some huge technological hurdle beyond Apple's capabilities to implement this into a laptop (even though they've already taken the first step with development on the iPhone and the second step on the Macbook Air.)

Come on, open your mind a bit...

Here, watch this video mock-up that somebody did when we thought the Macbook Touch was coming at the last Macworld. It will give you a brief glimpse on how Touch on Leopard can be viable (and man, you need to change your name to probably-not with such negativity and doubt!)

Originally Posted by probably

It's not at all beyond Apple to do this: I just don't think a third platform to develop for is what people were looking to find out at WWDC. That's kind of a buzzkill - especially when none of the listed course/workshop offerings give you more information about it

WWDC. Hmm, so, two bridges converging, Mac + iPhone. Not 3 platforms, but the convergence of their two platforms into one... you still can't see it? I give up on you.

[idannyb]

FWIW RUMOR: New Apple Device to Outshine iPhone?
A few images and discussion on topic > Gary Krakow & Brittany Umar interview on Apple’s purported development of a new touch-screen device with more sophisticated technologies than the iPhone.

[ivahardy]

Originally Posted by dicklacara

Apple has a patent application to use multitouch entry of handwriting-- you use your fingers as if you were holding a pen or stylus. The software, essentualy triangulates a point within your thumb & 2 fingers as a virtual pen. Try it on a flat surface-- very natural!

tried it just ended up doing random squiggles. without a very quick/live visual feedback your whole function of writing goes out of the window. and thats just anthropometric's.

Also who has ever enjoyed writing using a stylus/fingers on a touch pad using those preset letter shapes that look, sometimes, nothing like the real letter?

[stagi]

Nice, hope the 3g iphone is out on tuesday and next month a cool tablet device

[probably]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

Here, watch this video mock-up that somebody did when we thought the Macbook Touch was coming at the last Macworld. It will give you a brief glimpse on how Touch on Leopard can be viable (and man, you need to change your name to probably-not with such negativity and doubt!)



WWDC. Hmm, so, two bridges converging, Mac + iPhone. Not 3 platforms, but the convergence of their two platforms into one... you still can't see it? I give up on you.

That video just demonstrates that Leopard's GUI isn't meant to be used with the multitouch 'mode,' which is all I wanted to get across.

If a cute graphic used in a mass-emailing ACTUALLY has that intended depth of interpretation it's about CocoaTouch and the next version of OS X, not a singular tablet that smushes together the iPhone environment and Leopard.

[infowarfare]

Originally Posted by probably

edit: oh and since you've used it twice now: 'shortsided' is not a word, or at least the word you mean to say.

So when your argument doesn't hold up, you resort to being the grammar police. Great. You are correct, I meant shortsighted which you very much ARE!

[MattInOz]

If you want a realistic guess at how big this device will be,if it's coming at all then ask the question what is the biggest screen you can get with resolution between 160-200 dpi?

I can't see it being any bigger than 4-5 inch screen this year at least.
Any lower res and it just doesn't have the crispness needed.
Still that would make a pretty nice addition to the product range.

[ownersbox]

Honestly this sucks.... I cracked my iPhone two months ago and have been hoping that they would release the new version earlier than WWDC. Now they might but I can't buy it because if there is a mini tablet coming out I will have to wait to see that, I can't afford both. Damn you Apple

[infowarfare]

idannyb posted this earlier in the thread, but here is another mockup (from that link) with possible size comparison between the iPhone and the Macbook Touch:

LoopRumors has learned through reliable sources that Apple is developing a new touch device with more sophisticated technologies than the iPhone. The new device, said to arrive by mid-2008 will use Multi-Touch 2.0 and incorporate a more robust processor, capable of more taxing tasks such as iChat video conferencing via Wi-Fi. While a specific processor was not mentioned, it’s possible that Intel’s new Montevina chip would be a candidate for the forthcoming device, or Apple would opt for the same custom processor Intel developed for the MacBook Air.

[mongoos150]

Originally Posted by milo

So more choices will confuse buyers so much they won't buy anything (or will buy non-apple)? Sorry, I just don't buy that.

Did you even bother to read my post? Or do you add your own pretext to everything you read. Confusion doesn't equal a total halt of customer purchasing. It equals customer confusion and hesitation, not to mention a sloppy product lineup.

[mongoos150]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

idannyb posted this earlier in the thread, but here is another mockup (from that link) with possible size comparison between the iPhone and the Macbook Touch:

Hideous.

[Roessnakhan]

Could have least spaced the icons to accommodate the space.

[jooak]

It probably will come the second to third week of this month. Then "King of Apple" Jobs will then release some super cool conversion device at WWDC '08.

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[Mykbibby]

Originally Posted by probably

Ooh that does feel nice!

That's what she said...

[Mykbibby]

Originally Posted by infowarfare

Trust me on this and remember, you heard it here first!

I will

[MattyMac]

Just hold on. They haven't introduced anything yet. I doubt apple would ruin the simplicity that they use in every aspect of their products including the line up. Just trust steve!

Originally Posted by Dangeresque

Does anybody else worry that this rapid product introduction cycle will eventually result in far too complex product lineup where it becomes too difficult to distinguish between value added by moving between products? This product sounds great, but what added benefit will it give us that a software update to the iPod Touch / iPhone wouldn't give us?

It just seems like Apple's crowding it's "message" of simplicity by introducing too many specialized products when they could simply continually improve their current offerings.