Mac OS X 10.3.2 build 7D15

MacRumors · Nov 22, 2003, 12:52 AM

Apple has released a new Mac OS X 10.3.2 build to developers.

Changes include File sharing, directory services, font management, FileVault, USB, Graphics drivers, networking, AFP Server, WebDAV, PostScript printing and International text.

alirio · Nov 22, 2003, 03:31 AM

Will it simplify the Network Browser so that shares you "Connect" to appear as disks on the Desktop and Sidebar?

I find that the present implementation lacks consistency compared to the "Go ... Connect to Server" method.

stingerman · Nov 22, 2003, 08:51 AM

10.3.2 seems to be a pretty major point release as Apple has gone from 7D10 to 7D15 with it so far.

magi.sys · Nov 22, 2003, 10:58 AM

hrmmm... I hope that 'filesharing' means we finally have support for sftp

bb0ys · Nov 22, 2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alirio
Will it simplify the Network Browser so that shares you "Connect" to appear as disks on the Desktop and Sidebar?

I find that the present implementation lacks consistency compared to the "Go ... Connect to Server" method.

Panthers implementation of Network Browsing kind of sucks. It looks nicer and seems more full featured than Jaguars, but it just doesn't work like jaguars did.

jj2003 · Nov 22, 2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by magi.sys
hrmmm... I hope that 'filesharing' means we finally have support for sftp

What kind of support are you looking for? If I'm not mistaken there is support for sftp in Panther.
Of course the Finder does not support it, but who cares, the command line rules, right

Nicky G · Nov 22, 2003, 12:48 PM

I like the Network Browser in the Finder... except for the fact that it only shows my other machine's boot volume, and not its SCSI drive! Hmmm....

From Win to Mac · Nov 22, 2003, 03:39 PM

keep them builds comin !

WM. · 05:37 PM

Hmm, PostScript printing improvements.

I noticed yesterday that 12-point Times printed from TextEdit on a Personal Laserwriter 320 (which is a Level 2 PostScript printer) really looked like ass. Looking back through other recent printouts on the 320 reveals this: Printing from ClarisWorks 4.0 under 9.1 looks the way I'm used to. TextEdit under 10.2.6 (on a different computer) looks a little bit different--letter spacing is maybe a little tighter in some places--but it's still basically acceptable. But TextEdit under 10.3.1 is totally different, with different character shapes! Zeros are quite a bit wider but their strokes (?) are thinner, and the baseline looks very uneven somehow.

Remember that this is all on the same printer, using the same font, and the default kerning etc. in every case. It's understandable that TextEdit under OS X looks different than ClarisWorks under OS 9, but not that Panther TextEdit is so much different than Jaguar TextEdit!!

So hopefully this is what will be fixed in 10.3.2. And hopefully there will be a new Apple word processor and/or successor to AppleWorks that will be able to print more consistently (as well as having more features than the built-in Cocoa text handling that TextEdit uses).

FWIW
WM

Billicus · Nov 22, 2003, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alirio
Will it simplify the Network Browser so that shares you "Connect" to appear as disks on the Desktop and Sidebar?

I find that the present implementation lacks consistency compared to the "Go ... Connect to Server" method.

Ditto...who's big idea was this crappy interface for browsing servers?

rauf · Nov 22, 2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj2003
What kind of support are you looking for? If I'm not mistaken there is support for sftp in Panther.
Of course the Finder does not support it, but who cares, the command line rules, right

COMMAND LINE RULES???? WHAT IS THIS - AN ***ing DOS CONVENTION.

I use a mac in preference to a PC or a bare bones unix workstation precisely because there is a decent GUI. If I wanted to manually type every command I wouldn't have bought a mac. I want easy GUI access to all connected networks/servers - whatever - without any thought, just like I want to switch on a light without building the bulb first. I thought that was the whole design philosophy of the mac, "IT JUST WORKS" - REMEMBER?

Icekey · Nov 23, 2003, 05:21 AM

If you want gui sftp then go use fugu. Works just fine mate.

The network browsing can work a bit better so an update is very welcomed

frogmella · Nov 23, 2003, 06:27 AM

Sadly, this build doesn't yet fix the problem with Apple GeForce4MX vards in a Sawtooth with more than 256MB RAM, despite updated GeForce drivers.

LinuxGigolo · Nov 23, 2003, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rauf
COMMAND LINE RULES???? WHAT IS THIS - AN ***ing DOS CONVENTION.

Nope. Not a DOS convention. But do you REALLY expect Apple to replicate everything that can be done at the CLI in the GUI? I think that'd be pretty dang impossible, if you ask me. Apple has to focus on what the masses need and getting bugs out of the GUI more than it needs to focus on the inclusion of GUI access to sftp.. or... dd.. or... even df. There are 3rd party applications that can give you a graphical SFTP if you want it (Transmit does this just fine.. although it is share(cripple)ware.) Or, of course, you have the option to do it at the command line. But I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Apple to fix this. There are other options.

magi.sys · Nov 23, 2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

What kind of support are you looking for? If I'm not mistaken there is support for sftp in Panther.
Of course the Finder does not support it, but who cares, the command line rules, right

Well, sure I can use commandline. But for the clients that I manage the servers for it would be nice if the finder had support for sftp.

rauf · Nov 23, 2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LinuxGigolo
... do you REALLY expect Apple to replicate everything that can be done at the CLI in the GUI? I think that'd be pretty dang impossible...

Yes I do pretty much I'm afraid. That's why I but a mac, for the sheer convenience of not having to remenber the latest version of some obcure command line terminology and how it applies to this particular version of BSD/Darwin/Mach etc...

Now I'm not simple, I realise apple has to remain profitable, but it also has to differentiate itself from the masses of free unix / linux versions out there. There's more than enough to compete on stability and sure as hell on price!... so osX only has user interface going for it.

Reading through the open source community sites, they view osX as unix for the masses, and not a serious threat to established versions. If osX goes all command line for anything useful, then people would just get free BSD or red hat or whatever did what they needed, rather than osX. Surely apple has to incorporate as much of unix into the GUI to maintain it's customer base, especially in the pro community?

pgwalsh · Nov 23, 2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rauf
Yes I do pretty much I'm afraid. That's why I but a mac, for the sheer convenience of not having to remenber the latest version of some obcure command line terminology and how it applies to this particular version of BSD/Darwin/Mach etc...

Now I'm not simple, I realise apple has to remain profitable, but it also has to differentiate itself from the masses of free unix / linux versions out there. There's more than enough to compete on stability and sure as hell on price!... so osX only has user interface going for it.

Reading through the open source community sites, they view osX as unix for the masses, and not a serious threat to established versions. If osX goes all command line for anything useful, then people would just get free BSD or red hat or whatever did what they needed, rather than osX. Surely apple has to incorporate as much of unix into the GUI to maintain it's customer base, especially in the pro community?

I'm with you on this one. Keep it simple and elgant and dont' force us to use the command line.

7on · Nov 23, 2003, 04:22 PM

The thing I hope that's fixed is supporting samba network shares with longer share names. Some Windows users like naming their shares with long names, who knew?

I don't mind the browsing method, it' more like windows this way. Though Windows disconnects automatically when you leave the computer being browsed. Or maybe insert a contextual command for "Mount this Share" or something similar.

Sublime · Nov 23, 2003, 10:10 PM

Fix my Samba. thx.

hamishb · Nov 24, 2003, 01:03 AM

Fix the Java - http://www.westpac.com.au works fine in Jaguar / does not work in Panther.

Also Microsoft RDC broken in Panter.

Fix it please!

mcsjgs · Nov 24, 2003, 01:15 PM

For what it's worth:

7D12 About Box

The new version will include updates to USB, Graphics drivers, networking, AFP Server, WebDAV and International text, Apple reportedly told testers in the release notes accompanying the build. More specifically, the update patches Panthers Font Book, Terminal, Apple File Server, Help Viewer, Language Chooser, and System UI Server applications.

Version 10.3.2 also includes significant changes to Panther's audio, display, and graphics components -- including updates to several ATI Radeon, ATI Rage and nVidia GeForce graphics drivers. In addition, the release will patch a number of system frameworks, developers tell AppleInsider, including Admin, AppKit, Application Services, Carbon, CoreServices, Bluetooth, DiskImages, Java Virtual Machine, MediaKit, vecLib and WebKit.

(from AppleInsider)

From Thinksecret.com:

Apple seeds new 10.3.2, Xcode 1.1 builds

By Nick dePlume, Publisher and Editor in Chief
November 24, 2003

Apple on Friday seeded a new build of Mac OS X 10.3.2 to developers, as well as a new version of Xcode 1.1.

The company provided testers with build 7D15 of 10.3.2, less than a week after releasing the update's first seed, build 7D12. The download was 34.1MB in size.

According to Apple, "areas of change" in the 10.3.2 update include International text, font management, FileVault, networking, graphics drivers, file sharing, directory services, USB, AFP Server, PostScript printing, and WebDAV. No known issues were specified.

"Please report any issues you may encounter in a timely manner," Apple told testers in a seed note, suggesting that the 10.3.2 update is nearing public release. "Within a week of this seed would be very much appreciated."

Apple also seeded build 7K109 of Xcode 1.1, a 14.6MB update to Panther's developer tools. We firstdetailed the updates in Xcode 1.1 on November 13, after Apple seeded build 7K104.

As for build 7K109, Xcode 1.1 project files are "fully compatible" with Xcode 1.0.x projects, Apple said in a seed note. Build 7K109 installs Xcode IDE 292.0, Xcode Core 292.0, and ToolSupport 292.0, according to the build's about box.

Apple also described a number of changes since build 7K105, including improvements to build system, debugger, file editing, find, SCM, and other tweaks. "No issues surfaced in seed release testing," Apple said.

Sources also said that Apple has seeded build 7D14 of Mac OS X Server 10.3.2.

mcsjgs · Nov 24, 2003, 04:27 PM

From microsoftwatch.com:

Monday, November 24, 2003

Mac OS X 'Panther' Server Due for Update
By_Nick Ciarelli

Sources report that Apple Computer is handing out Version 10.3.2 of its server OS to developers.

Apple Computer Inc. is readying a minor update to Mac OS X Server that will deliver a grab bag of system enhancements and bug fixes, sources said.

The Mac maker last week provided developers with a pre-release seed of Version 10.3.2, an update to the server counterpart of Apple's "Panther" OS.

Labeled "build 7D14" of Panther Server, the download comprised more than 45MB, sources told Microsoft Watch.

Apple reportedly specified some of the update's enhancements in a seed note provided to testers. Sources said the server update will improve the Server Admin and Workgroup Manager applications as well as the QTSS Publisher and Network Image Utility. 10.3.2 will also bolster Kerberos support for AFP services and strengthen Active Directory integration.

Sources said 10.3.2 will update MySQL to Version 4.0.16—the database's most recent version—and speed up importing of user records. The update will also tune up PostScript printing.

The company identified bug fixes to a wide range of system components, including Password Server, Single Sign On, LDAP and AFP Services.

Apple is also priming an update to Panther client, also Version 10.3.2. That update will reportedly include refinements to networking, graphics drivers, USB, WebDAV, international text and AFP Server, sources said.

Both updates will come on the heels of Version 10.3.1, which tweaked some system components but also addressed data-loss issues concerning FireWire 800 drives and the FileVault security feature.

Apple shipped Mac OS X Server 10.3 "Panther" on Oct. 24 with a price tag of $499 for a 10-client version and $999 for an unlimited-client license. The upgrade to the UNIX-based OS includes a new Server Admin management tool, Open Directory 2, Samba 3, and a JBoss application server, among other enhancements.

Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple was not immediately available for comment.

killmoms · Nov 24, 2003, 04:51 PM

I want functional network share browsing. With Jaguar, I used to get hundreds of results, all properly sorted into their groups. Now, I get six. And no groups. And nothing besides myself under the "Servers" link. And the ONE server I need to be able to connect to DOESN'T WORK.

Congrats, Apple.

--Cless

mashinhead · Nov 24, 2003, 05:28 PM

I just called font agent about whether or not they supported panther yet (i have had a lot of font issues and had to swith back to Jag as a result) They told me that they did support it and all that i had to do was download the latest patch from apple.

But to my knowledge 10.3.2 has not come out yet, has it?

And if it has, has anybody with font problems noticed a difference?

encro · Nov 24, 2003, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hamishb
Fix the Java - http://www.westpac.com.au works fine in Jaguar / does not work in Panther.

Also Microsoft RDC broken in Panter.

Fix it please!

hamishb:

I'm not sure I understand.

Westpac's site and RDC both work well AFAICT on 10.3.1

Nov 22, 2003, 12:52 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Mac OS X 10.3.2 build 7D15 Apple has released a new Mac OS X 10.3.2 build to developers. Changes include File sharing, directory services, font management, FileVault, USB, Graphics drivers, networking, AFP Server, WebDAV, PostScript printing and International text.

Nov 22, 2003, 03:31 AM	#2
alirio macrumors newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Montreal	Will it simplify the Network Browser so that shares you "Connect" to appear as disks on the Desktop and Sidebar? I find that the present implementation lacks consistency compared to the "Go ... Connect to Server" method. __________________ ALirio (Possibly the world's shortest four-sylable name!)

Nov 22, 2003, 04:54 PM	#9
WM. macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2003	Hmm, PostScript printing improvements. I noticed yesterday that 12-point Times printed from TextEdit on a Personal Laserwriter 320 (which is a Level 2 PostScript printer) really looked like ass. Looking back through other recent printouts on the 320 reveals this: Printing from ClarisWorks 4.0 under 9.1 looks the way I'm used to. TextEdit under 10.2.6 (on a different computer) looks a little bit different--letter spacing is maybe a little tighter in some places--but it's still basically acceptable. But TextEdit under 10.3.1 is totally different, with different character shapes! Zeros are quite a bit wider but their strokes (?) are thinner, and the baseline looks very uneven somehow. Remember that this is all on the same printer, using the same font, and the default kerning etc. in every case. It's understandable that TextEdit under OS X looks different than ClarisWorks under OS 9, but not that Panther TextEdit is so much different than Jaguar TextEdit!! So hopefully this is what will be fixed in 10.3.2. And hopefully there will be a new Apple word processor and/or successor to AppleWorks that will be able to print more consistently (as well as having more features than the built-in Cocoa text handling that TextEdit uses). FWIW WM Last edited by WM. : Nov 22, 2003 at 05:37 PM.

Nov 23, 2003, 05:21 AM	#12
Icekey macrumors member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Fugu If you want gui sftp then go use fugu. Works just fine mate. The network browsing can work a bit better so an update is very welcomed __________________ 15" powerbook.. SWEEET

Nov 23, 2003, 06:27 AM	#13
frogmella macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2002	GeForce4MX/Sawtooth Sadly, this build doesn't yet fix the problem with Apple GeForce4MX vards in a Sawtooth with more than 256MB RAM, despite updated GeForce drivers.

Nov 22, 2003, 08:51 AM	#3
stingerman macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2003	10.3.2 seems to be a pretty major point release as Apple has gone from 7D10 to 7D15 with it so far.

Nov 22, 2003, 10:58 AM	#4
magi.sys macrumors member Join Date: May 2003	hrmmm... I hope that 'filesharing' means we finally have support for sftp

Nov 22, 2003, 12:48 PM	#7
Nicky G macrumors regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, Maryland, USA	I like the Network Browser in the Finder... except for the fact that it only shows my other machine's boot volume, and not its SCSI drive! Hmmm....

Nov 22, 2003, 03:39 PM	#8
From Win to Mac macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Montreal, Canada	keep them builds comin !

Nov 23, 2003, 04:22 PM	#18
7on macrumors 68040 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Thriller Bark	The thing I hope that's fixed is supporting samba network shares with longer share names. Some Windows users like naming their shares with long names, who knew? I don't mind the browsing method, it' more like windows this way. Though Windows disconnects automatically when you leave the computer being browsed. Or maybe insert a contextual command for "Mount this Share" or something similar. __________________ 任天堂 Leave luck to heaven MRoogle

Nov 23, 2003, 10:10 PM	#19
Sublime macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: LBC	Samba Fix my Samba. thx.

Nov 24, 2003, 01:03 AM	#20
hamishb macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vic, Australia	Java broken in 10.3.1? Fix the Java - http://www.westpac.com.au works fine in Jaguar / does not work in Panther. Also Microsoft RDC broken in Panter. Fix it please! __________________ All my $$ are belong to Apple!

Nov 24, 2003, 01:15 PM	#21
mcsjgs macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Collie-fornya	For what it's worth: 7D12 About Box The new version will include updates to USB, Graphics drivers, networking, AFP Server, WebDAV and International text, Apple reportedly told testers in the release notes accompanying the build. More specifically, the update patches Panthers Font Book, Terminal, Apple File Server, Help Viewer, Language Chooser, and System UI Server applications. Version 10.3.2 also includes significant changes to Panther's audio, display, and graphics components -- including updates to several ATI Radeon, ATI Rage and nVidia GeForce graphics drivers. In addition, the release will patch a number of system frameworks, developers tell AppleInsider, including Admin, AppKit, Application Services, Carbon, CoreServices, Bluetooth, DiskImages, Java Virtual Machine, MediaKit, vecLib and WebKit. (from AppleInsider) From Thinksecret.com: Apple seeds new 10.3.2, Xcode 1.1 builds By Nick dePlume, Publisher and Editor in Chief November 24, 2003 Apple on Friday seeded a new build of Mac OS X 10.3.2 to developers, as well as a new version of Xcode 1.1. The company provided testers with build 7D15 of 10.3.2, less than a week after releasing the update's first seed, build 7D12. The download was 34.1MB in size. According to Apple, "areas of change" in the 10.3.2 update include International text, font management, FileVault, networking, graphics drivers, file sharing, directory services, USB, AFP Server, PostScript printing, and WebDAV. No known issues were specified. "Please report any issues you may encounter in a timely manner," Apple told testers in a seed note, suggesting that the 10.3.2 update is nearing public release. "Within a week of this seed would be very much appreciated." Apple also seeded build 7K109 of Xcode 1.1, a 14.6MB update to Panther's developer tools. We firstdetailed the updates in Xcode 1.1 on November 13, after Apple seeded build 7K104. As for build 7K109, Xcode 1.1 project files are "fully compatible" with Xcode 1.0.x projects, Apple said in a seed note. Build 7K109 installs Xcode IDE 292.0, Xcode Core 292.0, and ToolSupport 292.0, according to the build's about box. Apple also described a number of changes since build 7K105, including improvements to build system, debugger, file editing, find, SCM, and other tweaks. "No issues surfaced in seed release testing," Apple said. Sources also said that Apple has seeded build 7D14 of Mac OS X Server 10.3.2.

Nov 24, 2003, 04:27 PM	#22
mcsjgs macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Collie-fornya	From microsoftwatch.com: Monday, November 24, 2003 Mac OS X 'Panther' Server Due for Update By_Nick Ciarelli Sources report that Apple Computer is handing out Version 10.3.2 of its server OS to developers. Apple Computer Inc. is readying a minor update to Mac OS X Server that will deliver a grab bag of system enhancements and bug fixes, sources said. The Mac maker last week provided developers with a pre-release seed of Version 10.3.2, an update to the server counterpart of Apple's "Panther" OS. Labeled "build 7D14" of Panther Server, the download comprised more than 45MB, sources told Microsoft Watch. Apple reportedly specified some of the update's enhancements in a seed note provided to testers. Sources said the server update will improve the Server Admin and Workgroup Manager applications as well as the QTSS Publisher and Network Image Utility. 10.3.2 will also bolster Kerberos support for AFP services and strengthen Active Directory integration. Sources said 10.3.2 will update MySQL to Version 4.0.16—the database's most recent version—and speed up importing of user records. The update will also tune up PostScript printing. The company identified bug fixes to a wide range of system components, including Password Server, Single Sign On, LDAP and AFP Services. Apple is also priming an update to Panther client, also Version 10.3.2. That update will reportedly include refinements to networking, graphics drivers, USB, WebDAV, international text and AFP Server, sources said. Both updates will come on the heels of Version 10.3.1, which tweaked some system components but also addressed data-loss issues concerning FireWire 800 drives and the FileVault security feature. Apple shipped Mac OS X Server 10.3 "Panther" on Oct. 24 with a price tag of $499 for a 10-client version and $999 for an unlimited-client license. The upgrade to the UNIX-based OS includes a new Server Admin management tool, Open Directory 2, Samba 3, and a JBoss application server, among other enhancements. Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple was not immediately available for comment.

Nov 24, 2003, 04:51 PM	#23
killmoms macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington, DC	I want functional network share browsing. With Jaguar, I used to get hundreds of results, all properly sorted into their groups. Now, I get six. And no groups. And nothing besides myself under the "Servers" link. And the ONE server I need to be able to connect to DOESN'T WORK. Congrats, Apple. --Cless __________________ killmoms.com - Well, don't really. Goodbye Velocity and Yaseko, say hello to... Henrietta: 15" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz C2D, 2GB RAM Kyoko: 8GB iPhone

Nov 24, 2003, 05:28 PM	#24
mashinhead macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2003	FONTS I just called font agent about whether or not they supported panther yet (i have had a lot of font issues and had to swith back to Jag as a result) They told me that they did support it and all that i had to do was download the latest patch from apple. But to my knowledge 10.3.2 has not come out yet, has it? And if it has, has anybody with font problems noticed a difference?

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