Apple Cinema Updates Delayed?

MacRumors · Dec 2, 2003, 01:34 PM

Appleinsider provides some disappointing news for users awaiting a refresh of Apple's Cinema Displays. The rumor site does not expect revisions to take place until after the introduction of the next generation of PowerMacs which are placed sometime in early 2004.

Appleinsider, however, had previously cited "reliable" sources that Apple LCD Revisions would take place in November 2003. November, obviously, brought no such revisions.

ksz · Dec 2, 2003, 01:36 PM

They'll make a bigger splash with the introduction of the 2nd generation G5s.

howard · Dec 2, 2003, 01:36 PM

my guess is they will be here for mac world in january...along with new xserves some speed bumps/price drops and a brand new apple product, and a few software updates

AmigoMac · Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM

I can feel displays coming before the expo in January... dunno why, but I feel it... hoe I'm right...

sabbath999 · Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM

I was hoping for at least cheaper.

yoman · Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM

hopefully they are lighter than the current ones. Can't put them on partical board desks b/c the displays bend them due to extreme weight

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MGnards · Dec 2, 2003, 01:39 PM

that stinks-I've been using the same cinema display for the past 3 years, and while I'm not complaining about its quality by any means, I was hoping for an upgrade soon.

arn · Dec 2, 2003, 01:43 PM

I'd like to point out.... as rumors go.... LCD revisions are pretty far down the list in terms of "reliable" rumors.

People expect LCD revisions because they don't match the PowerMac G5s.

But there have been very few reliable rumors that LCDs are actually being revised.

arn

Ambrose Chapel · Dec 2, 2003, 01:46 PM

i expected that by now at least the 17" would have been replaced with a widescreen model...

Silencio · Dec 2, 2003, 02:04 PM

Or I would at least expect a round of price cuts on the current models to keep them competitive. High demand and stagnant supply has kept flat panel prices from falling much lately, but the competition has found ways to get their prices down.

The 20" Cinema Display was a world beater when it first hit the market - the competition used to cost hundreds more than Apple's $1,299 list price. Now there are quite a few good choices (Samsung, Planar, etc) for 20" LCDs that run at 1600x1200 for $800-$1,100. They're not widescreen, but give you more pixels overall.

$699 for a 17" LCD running at 1280x1024 is bordering on lunacy these days. If only they were $499 or even $599 (though you can get refurbs for that price).

OTOH, the Cinema HD Display at $1,999 still blows away its competition. Sony and Viewsonic still don't even come close.

trilogic · Dec 2, 2003, 02:19 PM

I'm in the market for a new Cinema Display. 24" or 23" maybe a little brighter and more contrast the the actual displays.

Anyway I'm waiting for the new revision and I would like it to have G5 design. yeah baby yeah.

york2600 · Dec 2, 2003, 02:50 PM

I really wanted to get an Apple LCD, but geez the things are crazy $$$. I bought a 17" Samsung LCD. It's a nice high quality LCD with a high resolution and it looks nice and it was 530 taxed and shipped. If Apple could get me something that nice in that price range I would have jumped on it, but they just can't do that.

Rod Rod · Dec 2, 2003, 02:52 PM

Samsung 211MP 1600x1200
Samsung 241MP 1920x1200
best buy site (more pictures, including speakers) 211MP
best buy site (more pictures) 241MP

of course the only thing "missing" is the Apple brand, but we've already foregone that with the Klipsch and Logitech 5.1 surround speakers.

Trowaman · Dec 2, 2003, 02:58 PM

If anything, i wouldn't expect these things until January at least. I get the feeling there won't be ANYTHING hardware wise or new software until mac world. All I see between now and then is OS 10.3.2 and some security. I doubt anything will happen before then.

k2k koos · Dec 2, 2003, 02:59 PM

Dunno about the rest of you, but I was hoping for a wide screen 17" display in the line up....for no more than $500,-
This would be a cost effective way to complement the single 1.6Ghz G5 9or whatever the second revision base model will be) and offer a competative package.
As much as I love the new iMacs, I like the option of upgrading parts of the system, larger screen for eample, and being able to enhance the system with PCI-X cards (in my case audio cards)
Fire wire is nice, but i like my desk space tidy, and don't really like to see a gazillion drives etc all over the desktop....

As long as the match the G5s , are wide screen through out the range, (incl a 17") and are improved then I am very happy. i'm sre i will be, we are talking Apple, they always surprise me positively.

ksz · 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silencio
$699 for a 17" LCD running at 1280x1024 is bordering on lunacy these days. If only they were $499 or even $599 (though you can get refurbs for that price).

OTOH, the Cinema HD Display at $1,999 still blows away its competition. Sony and Viewsonic still don't even come close.

I hear there were some insane deals early on Thanksgiving Friday. 17" LCDs selling in the $200s and equally insane people queuing up at ungodly hours!

Apple has led the charge with LCDs and it seems they want to push the envelope further. I hope they continue to pressure their suppliers not only for larger screen sizes, but also higher pixel densities (less screen-door effect), faster refresh rates, 10-bit gamma correction such as this model from Sharp, and improved contrast. Then I will be able to retire my Mitsubishi flat-screen CRT (beautiful image quality) for all the photo editing I currently do as an amateur photographer.

ebow · Dec 2, 2003, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod Rod
of course the only thing "missing" is the Apple brand, but we've already foregone that with the Klipsch and Logitech 5.1 surround speakers.

Well they're also missing digital input (the Samsung site claims analog only) for whatever that's worth (I imagine it's significant but don't know for sure). And there are no USB connectors... whether bundled together in and ADC cable or separate. On the whole though, those displays look great.

coolfactor · Dec 2, 2003, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod Rod
Samsung 211MP 1600x1200
Samsung 241MP 1920x1200
best buy site (more pictures, including speakers) 211MP
best buy site (more pictures) 241MP

of course the only thing "missing" is the Apple brand, but we've already foregone that with the Klipsch and Logitech 5.1 surround speakers.

I'm really surprised that very few companies can get a design "just right". Sony and Apple do, and then there are all the take-offs. But those Samsungs just look weird.

k2k koos · Dec 2, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Silencio
$699 for a 17" LCD running at 1280x1024 is bordering on lunacy these days. If only they were $499 or even $599 (though you can get refurbs for that price).

All good and well, but are those low price models "all digital" monitors, or do they only have VGA inputs, which would be a bad thing.

VGA is dead, long live ADC and DVI.

ZildjianKX · Dec 2, 2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by york2600
I really wanted to get an Apple LCD, but geez the things are crazy $$$. I bought a 17" Samsung LCD. It's a nice high quality LCD with a high resolution and it looks nice and it was 530 taxed and shipped. If Apple could get me something that nice in that price range I would have jumped on it, but they just can't do that.

I second that. Not to mention you got a longer warranty too, huh? The place I bought mine from actually had a 100% no dead/stuck pixel gurantee, you can't beat that. The dual DVI and VGA input really comes in handy too.

dongmin · Dec 2, 2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod Rod
Samsung 211MP 1600x1200
Samsung 241MP 1920x1200
best buy site (more pictures, including speakers) 211MP
best buy site (more pictures) 241MP

of course the only thing "missing" is the Apple brand, but we've already foregone that with the Klipsch and Logitech 5.1 surround speakers.

Sure these are feature-loaded, but you pay through the nose for them. The Samsung 21" (8.8% more pixels) costs $2599, twice the Apple 21". That's just crazy. The 24", which has the same resolution as the Apple 23", costs $4999, compared to Apple's $1999. That's $3000 more for some extra inputs--insane.

dongmin · Dec 2, 2003, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k2k koos
Dunno about the rest of you, but I was hoping for a wide screen 17" display in the line up....for no more than $500,-
This would be a cost effective way to complement the single 1.6Ghz G5.

My school offers the 1.6 ghz G5 and the 17" studio display for $1899, which is $300 over the Power Mac alone. A sweet deal if you're cool enough with a 1.6 ghz G5.

TomSmithMacEd · Dec 2, 2003, 03:44 PM

It is amazing how much we are looking forward to in San Fran. I'm so excited for the event. I wonder what is really up Apple's sleves.

the_mole1314 · Dec 2, 2003, 03:54 PM

I bet we'll see it right before San Fran Expo, that's my own hunch.

Toppa G's · Dec 2, 2003, 03:55 PM

Both Office Max and Best Buy were offering 17" LCDs for under $300 on Friday morning...Best Buy had a Samsung model (SyncMaster 175e or something) that was not very notably advertised in circulars or instore (It was supposed to be bundled with Media Centers, I think), but a great deal to those who found it (including me)

Dec 2, 2003, 01:34 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Apple Cinema Updates Delayed? Appleinsider provides some disappointing news for users awaiting a refresh of Apple's Cinema Displays. The rumor site does not expect revisions to take place until after the introduction of the next generation of PowerMacs which are placed sometime in early 2004. Appleinsider, however, had previously cited "reliable" sources that Apple LCD Revisions would take place in November 2003. November, obviously, brought no such revisions.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:36 PM	#3
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Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM	#4
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Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM	#5
sabbath999 macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: rural Missouri	Bummer I was hoping for at least cheaper.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 PM	#6
yoman macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In the Bowels of the Cosmos	I would like to see them hopefully they are lighter than the current ones. Can't put them on partical board desks b/c the displays bend them due to extreme weight . __________________ My first computer was an Apple IIGS at the meager age of 6 1/2 years. I was raised with an APPLE and I will die with an APPLE.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:36 PM	#2
ksz macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA	They'll make a bigger splash with the introduction of the 2nd generation G5s.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:39 PM	#7
MGnards macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: orlando, FL	displays that stinks-I've been using the same cinema display for the past 3 years, and while I'm not complaining about its quality by any means, I was hoping for an upgrade soon.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:43 PM	#8
arn macrumors god Join Date: Apr 2001	I'd like to point out.... as rumors go.... LCD revisions are pretty far down the list in terms of "reliable" rumors. People expect LCD revisions because they don't match the PowerMac G5s. But there have been very few reliable rumors that LCDs are actually being revised. arn

Dec 2, 2003, 01:46 PM	#9
Ambrose Chapel macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cambridge, MA	i expected that by now at least the 17" would have been replaced with a widescreen model...

Dec 2, 2003, 02:04 PM	#10
Silencio macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco	Or I would at least expect a round of price cuts on the current models to keep them competitive. High demand and stagnant supply has kept flat panel prices from falling much lately, but the competition has found ways to get their prices down. The 20" Cinema Display was a world beater when it first hit the market - the competition used to cost hundreds more than Apple's $1,299 list price. Now there are quite a few good choices (Samsung, Planar, etc) for 20" LCDs that run at 1600x1200 for $800-$1,100. They're not widescreen, but give you more pixels overall. $699 for a 17" LCD running at 1280x1024 is bordering on lunacy these days. If only they were $499 or even $599 (though you can get refurbs for that price). OTOH, the Cinema HD Display at $1,999 still blows away its competition. Sony and Viewsonic still don't even come close.

Dec 2, 2003, 02:19 PM	#11
trilogic macrumors member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Switzerland	I'm in the market for a new Cinema Display. 24" or 23" maybe a little brighter and more contrast the the actual displays. Anyway I'm waiting for the new revision and I would like it to have G5 design. yeah baby yeah.

Dec 2, 2003, 02:50 PM	#12
york2600 macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Antarctica & Portland, OR	I really wanted to get an Apple LCD, but geez the things are crazy $$$. I bought a 17" Samsung LCD. It's a nice high quality LCD with a high resolution and it looks nice and it was 530 taxed and shipped. If Apple could get me something that nice in that price range I would have jumped on it, but they just can't do that.

Dec 2, 2003, 02:52 PM	#13
Rod Rod macrumors 68020 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago, Ill.	G5 design LCDs are already available Samsung 211MP 1600x1200 Samsung 241MP 1920x1200 best buy site (more pictures, including speakers) 211MP best buy site (more pictures) 241MP of course the only thing "missing" is the Apple brand, but we've already foregone that with the Klipsch and Logitech 5.1 surround speakers. __________________ the year of HD

Dec 2, 2003, 02:58 PM	#14
Trowaman macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CD: TX-22	If anything, i wouldn't expect these things until January at least. I get the feeling there won't be ANYTHING hardware wise or new software until mac world. All I see between now and then is OS 10.3.2 and some security. I doubt anything will happen before then.

Dec 2, 2003, 02:59 PM	#15
k2k koos macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Somewhere between yesterday and tomorrow	New displays Dunno about the rest of you, but I was hoping for a wide screen 17" display in the line up....for no more than $500,- This would be a cost effective way to complement the single 1.6Ghz G5 9or whatever the second revision base model will be) and offer a competative package. As much as I love the new iMacs, I like the option of upgrading parts of the system, larger screen for eample, and being able to enhance the system with PCI-X cards (in my case audio cards) Fire wire is nice, but i like my desk space tidy, and don't really like to see a gazillion drives etc all over the desktop.... As long as the match the G5s , are wide screen through out the range, (incl a 17") and are improved then I am very happy. i'm sre i will be, we are talking Apple, they always surprise me positively. __________________ The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.

Dec 2, 2003, 03:15 PM	#19
k2k koos macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Somewhere between yesterday and tomorrow	Originally posted by Silencio $699 for a 17" LCD running at 1280x1024 is bordering on lunacy these days. If only they were $499 or even $599 (though you can get refurbs for that price). All good and well, but are those low price models "all digital" monitors, or do they only have VGA inputs, which would be a bad thing. VGA is dead, long live ADC and DVI. __________________ The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.

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the_mole1314 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dayton, OH	I bet we'll see it right before San Fran Expo, that's my own hunch. __________________ 13" MacBook Pro 2.53GHz (base model) iPod touch, nano, shuffle, iPod 3gen

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Toppa G's macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The exurbs, MN	Day after Thanksgiving madness Both Office Max and Best Buy were offering 17" LCDs for under $300 on Friday morning...Best Buy had a Samsung model (SyncMaster 175e or something) that was not very notably advertised in circulars or instore (It was supposed to be bundled with Media Centers, I think), but a great deal to those who found it (including me) __________________ Aw, cheese.

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