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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:04 AM   #26
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Commonly, a GPU will produce screen artifacts before dying completely. A game exhibiting flashes, specs or bright colored anomalies is either the result of a driver related issue or (more likely) a defective GPU. Usually the problem worsens as the temp rises, but not always.

And about the GPU temps. Most graphic chips run hot, and are *supposed* to operate fine at such temps (80-100c). This isn't a guess, it's published information. A MBP becoming burning hot under load is not necessarily a symptom of a defective product. The problem is that nVidia's chips are not living up to their specs.
Great.. This is what's happening with mine.I think i need to give apple a call.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:06 AM   #27
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If there's a problem, Apple will extend warranty to cover it. There will be a class action law suite in the States, etc and no-one will lose out. Don't sell a perfectly good laptop which may not have anything wrong with it on eBay for no good reason!
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:09 AM   #28
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either way the 3870 mobility is 3 times better than the 8600GT and it doesnt get as hot, and is generally the most logical step for apple to go towards, I wont give apple a dime if they use a nvidia 9600gt or something similar, its either the ProWay or the highway.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:24 AM   #29
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So all home owners with roofs are screwed?!?

OH MY GOD! I've just realised that it's *possible* that a metor might fall to earth and destroy my house - I just had to have my house put on the market so that I can try and sell it before anyone else finds out!

DAMN!

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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:26 AM   #30
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i have a 2.2Ghz MBP with 8600GT 128mb vram. I haven't found anything wrong with my baby. What are the symptoms of a defective card?
intermittent system freeze (applications stopped responding, mouse still working or with the spinning beachball), graphic texture corruption, NVChannel(GL) errors pops up in the system log (I discovered that these errors are erased eventually. Conspiracy? ), application crashes related to the GeForce8x00.kext/CoreVideo/CoreImage.. and more to come
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:46 AM   #31
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so what would happen if my gpu died during my 3 year applecare?
would i get a new mbp?
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 07:56 AM   #32
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Just wondering, but how reputable is The Inquirer? I never really heard of them before


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And about the GPU temps. Most graphic chips run hot, and are *supposed* to operate fine at such temps (80-100c). This isn't a guess, it's published information. A MBP becoming burning hot under load is not necessarily a symptom of a defective product. The problem is that nVidia's chips are not living up to their specs.
Holy crap, 80c - 100c is normal??? If that much heat can boil water, wouldn't that do horrible things to the notebook? Wow.



If the nVidia defects are the reason why MBPs run so hot , this really discourages me; I finally have enough money saved to buy a MBP but now I'm not sure I want a machine that is known to run hot just because of a defect.

Sheesh, MBPs have been using nVidia 8600 cards for forever.. how long it take them to find..? *sigh* Or if it's a coverup like the article said, that's incredibly depressing. Makes me angry hearing about that.

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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:14 AM   #33
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I am looking to buy a MBP by the beginning of September, do you guys think I will have a problem?
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:22 AM   #34
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actually nvidia confirmed it yesterday, and as far as I understood it, its the latest revisions of the 8600GTs who are faulty, not the old 128mb ones, if I understood it right.
No, that's exactly the one that died on me after 8 months of heavy heavy gaming usage. I'll be doing the same thing to my 512 on the motherboard they replaced it with and I just bought 3 year Applecare. Looks like I'll be getting a newer laptop for free sometime down the road.
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I am looking to buy a MBP by the beginning of September, do you guys think I will have a problem?
I doubt it, there should be new models out by then.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:23 AM   #36
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No, that's exactly the one that died on me after 8 months of heavy heavy gaming usage. I'll be doing the same thing to my 512 on the motherboard they replaced it with and I just bought 3 year Applecare. Looks like I'll be getting a newer laptop for free sometime down the road.
Its all fun and games for you then I guess. :P
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:46 AM   #37
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This whole thing is a bit of a disappointment. I'm hoping that Apple will [eventually] step up and do something about it (extend warranty, etc.), but on the other hand I can't really afford downtime when this is my only computer. The nagging doubt! The multiple backups!
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:47 AM   #38
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I doubt it, there should be new models out by then.
Yeah, with new problems!
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 08:53 AM   #39
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Yeah, with new problems!
Blasphemy... well, I rather have a computer that actually is worth its price tag having these problems, than a cheap outdated computer which is sold for twice the price of the industry standard.

And if Apple plays it smart with the new modell i doubt we will kill our future children when we sit with the lappie in the lap. Any other problems but that sir.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 09:02 AM   #40
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Its all fun and games for you then I guess. :P
haha, well, in between the gaming, I use it for my work (these days it's the other way around).

All kidding aside, it's incredibly frustrating and a very big issue to be without my computer. If this one were to die around finals, i'd be screwed.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 09:23 AM   #41
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OH MY GOD! I've just realised that it's *possible* that a metor might fall to earth and destroy my house - I just had to have my house put on the market so that I can try and sell it before anyone else finds out!

DAMN!
lol, you make my day.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 09:44 AM   #42
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I'm not gonna let it bother me. I got my MBP last week, so i have the opportunity to send it back but i'm not.

If it goes wrong then Apple will fix under warranty and i'm sure i'll be a corrected version rather than them putting the faulty batch back in.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 09:50 AM   #43
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Hopefully not too off topic but.........

How can Apple and while we at it Dell, Asus, Acer, HP etc continue to sell hardware we now know is faulty?

Surley it shouldn't be possible to buy any device with an NVIDIA 84xx or 86xx card now NVIDIA have annouced that these cards are defective.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:06 AM   #44
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So you guys are expecting ATi 3xxx card or the nVidia 9xxx? I know it's only speculation ^_^
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:10 AM   #45
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So you guys are expecting ATi 3xxx card or the nVidia 9xxx? I know it's only speculation ^_^
HD3800 to make up for this travesty!
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:20 AM   #46
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I doubt it, there should be new models out by then.
Dont really help the ppl who have saved for ages to finally buy one, only to find out there is a Good chance it will keel over in a hot steaming heap!
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:55 AM   #47
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Ok so they're bad, untill it's official I'm not gunna stress too much. However if it is, what will happen? Will the thing just die, melt, explode, act funny?
And if it is the case, why is everyone in a panic to sell off their machine, will Apple not replace the cards or fix the problem?
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 11:06 AM   #48
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Well, here's some interesting read though..
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...own-blame-game

somehow it does makes sense..
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 11:28 AM   #49
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The MBPs on ebay will soon fill the market
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 12:10 PM   #50
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I am looking into a MBP with a NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT new from apple, I can wait until November at the latest, what should I do?
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