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Join Date: Jul 2002
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Ex-Apple general counsel settles backdating case
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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I presume this is good news of a sort for SJ.
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The SEC never seemed to be particularly interested in Jobs beyond questioning him. The focus of the investigation always appeared to be on Heinen and Anderson.
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Former Apple General Counsel Settles Backdating Charges
![]() SetteB.IT and BusinessWeek report on Nancy Heinen's settlement with the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) on the backdating investigation. Quote:
The settlement terms included a payment of $2.2 million in repayment, interest and penalties and she is barred from service as an officer in a public company for five years. She did not admit or deny any wrongdoing in the matter. This should draw the a close to investigations surrounding Apple's backdating controversy. Article Link Last edited by Doctor Q : Aug 15, 2008 at 01:47 AM. |
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I hope this is the end of it.
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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This was displayed on the news ticker in the square at Canary Wharf in London tonight so I guess it must be big news in the Finance industry.
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But why would they settle if they didn't do anything wrong? Won't someone stand up and protect the innocent? </sarcasm>
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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Really smart move, backdating those options. Greed does wonderful things.
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I doubt it. You think Apple did this on purpose? I call it cumbersome and confusing SEC regs. Just like the IRS.
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No, it's greed alright. Backdating options is a way of putting cash in pockets without having to report it to the stockholders.
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Its amazing what money can buy you!
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Thank God!
Now we can get back to the business of waiting for the next iPhone rumor!!!!!
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What exactly is backdating options, and why is/was apple in trouble for it?
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It means that the options were recorded as being granted to the recipients on a date before they were actually given. Often this builds in an instant profit for the grantee. Companies can do this if they like, but they have to report the difference as an expense.
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glad to hear that this is settled
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Not a chance. The "regs" may be confusing to you and me but the people at the top are well versed. They took a chance and got caught. Simple as that.
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am i to understand that what has happend or happend was a gamble it didnt work they lost and people made a fuss over it .
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It's their job to understand complex SEC regulations. Stop being ridiculous
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it's not illegal to backdate options, you just have to account for them properly when you do your reporting.
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hmmm now can we move on from this already?
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To me, agreeing not to serve as an officer in a public company for five years seems a bit like an admission of guilt, even if Nancy Heinen "did not admit any wrongdoing". But I know people often settle for ambiguous statements like that and it doesn't really prove anything.
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Don't you always wonder how the conversation went when someone decided this was a good idea? Was it a group decision or did one person convince the others that "everyone does it?"
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Give it a rest.
At the 2007 shareholder's meeting there wan't a single person who was upset with the treatment of the Steve Jobs' options back dating.
For those who do not know (Apparently most people here) SJ explained that the options were dated to the date that the Board decided to issue them to SJ. The paperwork was filed sometime later (after Apple stock went higher. But hey, back then it ONLY went HIGHER [before the SEC started poking around]) and the previous date and lower cost basis was used, the date the board decided to issue the stock options. The real issue here (and I know it gets lost in Government investigations) is wether or not any stockholders were harmed by the companies actions. Well, lets see My IRA went up 250% since the time of the questionable stock option grant. The government investigation took out a nice chunk (ironically, the Government investigation cost me money (not the stock options grant). Incidentally a smug reporter (er "Concerned Shareholder" asked Steve Jobs if he was going to return the difference in the profit he made as a result of the difference in the issuance of the stock options. To which Steve Jobs said "No" and there was applause from the audience full of shareholders. The fact is that Apple pays Steve Jobs only in stock options, no salary. (Although they did also give him a jet) The board decides what and when he gets paid. As a shareholder I'm okay with that. In fact I think he might be underpaid. And if I should ever disagree with the compensation, backdated or not, I will simply sell my Apple shares. The real question is where would the stock price be right now if the Government had drop the investigation in a more timely manner. Just how much money has the Government cost shareholders? Al
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