iPhone 2.1 Beta 4 Seeded, Removes Push Notification Service

[MacRumors]

Apple has seeded iPhone Firmware 2.1 Beta 4 to developers. As usual, Apple describes the content of the update as "bug fixes."

Interestingly, Apple has pulled the push notification service in this release "for further development." The capability was announced at Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference Keynote in response to requests for background process support for third party iPhone applications. Applications that deal with messaging (such as AIM or Facebook) would likely stand to gain the most from the SDK enhancement. Apple had promised a September delivery of the functionality.

Apple began providing developmental support for the push notification service in iPhone Firmware 2.1 Beta 1. Not all registered iPhone developers have access to the seeds; the first seed was only available to iPhone developers who had been accepted into the program prior to July 11th (~4000 individuals).

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[Harpo]

Being careful I see...

[akonradi]

So we can expect push notification services to be up (and working) by late November, I hope?

[RevK]

... At this rate we'll NEVER see push on iPhone/iPod

[mike12806]

UNLESS.......2.1 has some yet-known feature that is requiring more dev attention than the push notification service???!!?!?!

[RevK]

Originally Posted by mike12806

UNLESS.......2.1 has some yet-known feature that is requiring more dev attention than the push notification service???!!?!?!

Not possible at this rate

[BWhaler]

I hope the pulling of the push notification service is representative of a "new Apple," one that will only ship quality products.

I hope for 2.1, Apple takes their time and gets the iPhoneOS to be high quality and reliable. The company has been cutting corners for some time to meet deadlines. Let's hope those dark days of Apple's horrific quality are soon to be behind us.

[nagromme]

Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then

In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.

Only a guess.

[Small White Car]

Originally Posted by nagromme

Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then

In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.

Only a guess.

My guess too. In other words, 2.1.1 will include Push and will come out when 2.1 was SUPPOSED to come out, but they want to move 2.1 up sooner to kill some of the bigger bugs.

Again, just a guess, but this likely means NOTHING has changed as far as Push is concerned. We're just getting some extra bug fixes early.

If this is true, it's great news. But who knows? I'm sure most people are going to assume the "push is delayed" idea as truth and just go with that. But the truth is, we have no idea.

[Bevz]

Originally Posted by nagromme

Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then

In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.

Only a guess.

I agree. Push Notification is not the only new API stuff they've removed which seems to confirm your guess

[jwsmiths]

Originally Posted by nagromme

Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then

In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.

Only a guess.

That is my guess as well.... 2.1 will be bug fixes, minor features and 2.1.1 will be Push.

[ryanwarsaw]

Originally Posted by nagromme

Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then

In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.

Only a guess.

We can only hope but I for one am not holding my breath.

[czeluff]

Originally Posted by mike12806

UNLESS.......2.1 has some yet-known feature that is requiring more dev attention than the push notification service???!!?!?!

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

[mike12806]

Originally Posted by czeluff

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

Or video capture/imovie integration?!?!?!

[JSUDaniel]

Originally Posted by czeluff

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

Oh God... I hope so

[eff pc]

Originally Posted by czeluff

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

not so much the cut and paste but MMS and txt forwarding should have been in there from day one and if they r going to use viewmymessage.com first of all y doesnt it work on the iphone (well at least mine doesnt...barely works on the computer) and now that there r apps, y hasnt apple made an app that u can click on the link in the text and it opens the app

also idk about everyone else...once push AIM comes ill basically be done with the computer well maybe not. but push email needs a message box u can see when ur phone is locked (like a SMS msg) so u dont need to unluck it to see if u have an email b/c u cant always hear/feel it by time the next iphone comes out im hoping all the basic features are put in and all the glitches r gone (most likely getting the next iphone)

[f1sh3r]

Originally Posted by czeluff

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

i can hear the cheering already!

[Otaviano]

Originally Posted by czeluff

Ooh, like MMS, txt message forwarding, or cut/paste?!?!

MMS is dead, heck if Apple could have gotten away with it even SMS wouldn't have been on the phone. Get a third party MMS solution from the App Store and quit whinning already.

[vandozza]

Originally Posted by mike12806

UNLESS.......2.1 has some yet-known feature that is requiring more dev attention than the push notification service???!!?!?!

or they devoting more resources to fix the (either perceived or real) worldwide 3G reception issues that have been getting a fair bit of press lately?

[Iria]

Originally Posted by vandozza

or they devoting more resources to fix the (either perceived or real) worldwide 3G reception issues that have been getting a fair bit of press lately?

That's what they should be working on, and there are far too many reports for it to be "not real." It's real. Whether or not only a hardware change can fix it, and all the reports of fixes in software are off the mark, is still to be seen. I can report I have zero bars on 3G with my iPhone while a MOT q9h, right now, sitting an inch from each other, has full bars.

[iTeen]

Alright.

Maybe we will see this with the iPod Touch updates.

[longofest]

Originally Posted by Harpo

Being careful I see...

I suppose it's better to be careful than to end up with Mobile Me again, but on the flip side, they do need to make sure they meet their deadlines.

[wizard]

Originally Posted by longofest

I suppose it's better to be careful than to end up with Mobile Me again, but on the flip side, they do need to make sure they meet their deadlines.

I have to ask why you think making any random deadline is so important? The only people pleased with that sort of management mentality are other managers. Managers apparently lacking in experience and long term vision. It is unfortunate that we in America are having our lunch devoured by Asian economies that take a more mature view of business.

In any event would Apple have the mess it has on it's hands now if they would have simply said this stuff isn't ready? The simple fact is that more companies have failed with rushed products than those that have slipped a delivery date or dropped features. The fundamental reason that Apple was able to survive through many a tough time was a perception of quality. Good quality is not compatible with deadline management.

Dave

[Watabou]

They better have it ready by September but I also would like to see all bugs sorted out too.

[holdthat230]

Can you please add land scape keyboard for texting. Please!!!