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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:07 AM   #1
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John McCain throws himself into the gutter

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Saturday, October 4, 2008; Page A01

Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.

With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
I've already seen evidence of this. We're a battleground state here in Ohio, of course. I've seen one commercial (admittedly in passing, so I didn't notice whether it was paid for by McCain or a 527) that is a smearfest, laden with ominous music, dark clouds, portentous narration, and a scowling photo of Obama, seeking to link Obama to Tony Rezko, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. In fact, it prominently displays Wright's infamous "God damn America" line.

Not able to win on their record and platform, the McCain campaign is gonna try to scare the **** out of people.

I think it might net them a few voters, but not enough to win. It's too late for that, and as for the scare tactics, the Republicans have been once too often to this particular well.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:15 AM   #2
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Strangely, we are getting these McCain ads in NY. As NY stations reach into NJ and CT, all solid blue states, it makes little sense to me. I guess the small part of PA that can get NY stations are the target, although PA aint looking too good for McCain right now.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:21 AM   #3
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Questions about Obama's honesty and judgement!!!

McCain is the least honest and has the worst judgement.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:23 AM   #4
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Oh, if only it were literally true.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:26 AM   #5
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I saw a piece on CNN where voters talked about how sick they were of the negative campaigning, they wanted to hear the candidates talk about themselves and their policies from now on. I guess McCain couldn't have picked a worse time to crank the scaremongering up to 11. Then again it's no news that gramPOW McCain is out of touch with the 21st century.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:29 AM   #6
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Strangely, we are getting these McCain ads in NY. As NY stations reach into NJ and CT, all solid blue states, it makes little sense to me. I guess the small part of PA that can get NY stations are the target, although PA aint looking too good for McCain right now.
"Hi. I'm John McCain. My big selling point is that I'm a frugal SOB who doesn't waste money on senseless projects, and I'm demonstrating that by blowing millions of $$$ on TV ads in solid blue states where I don't stand a chance."
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:44 AM   #7
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Ask Hillary how well the Rev. Wright and Ayers crap worked out for her.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 09:51 AM   #8
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Yet another McCain flip-flop in an attempt to get some votes.

Just a couple of days ago he was on NPR saying he knows how to run an honorable campaign (which was a dubious claim at that point). Now he's pulling the positive ads and going even more negative?

Also indicative is this idea he wants to move the conversation away from the economy (you know, the issue that matters most in these times) because he knows he can't win on the actual issues.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 10:39 AM   #9
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I gotta ask... in America, is it considered a sign of strength to appear desperate?

How does that work, like, "wow, this guy will really do anything to win, I guess that means he would do anything for America too!"...?

Not, like, "jeez, this is about as undignified as it gets. What a loser, I'm voting for the other guy"...?
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As if we couldn't see this coming. The next 4 weeks are going to be UGLY. McCain is about to borrow a page for the Hillary Clinton "kitchen sink" strategy, only he's going to take it up a couple more notches.
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 11:32 AM   #11
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...only he's going to take it up a couple more notches.

That sounds eye-wateringly (sic) painful!
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Yep we are about to be reintroduced to Rev. Wright.
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Yep we are about to be reintroduced to Rev. Wright.
They should think long and hard before they do that lest America be introduced to Palin's witch hunting pastor.
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They should think long and hard before they do that lest America be introduced to Palin's witch hunting pastor.
If the repugnant party wants to use Rev. Wrong then Obama needs to use the witch hunter.
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whats sad is that this will probably work.......
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 01:08 PM   #16
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If the repugnant party wants to use Rev. Wrong then Obama needs to use the witch hunter.

Not to mention that repugnant evangelical that McCain had ties to. I forget his name and can't be bothered to Google it.
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Just like Bush, throw mud, make up stuff more Mud and talk about those stupid divisive issues from decades past, more spin ,lies and mud and fear and just maybe you can get 50.5% of the vote. We havent had a Code red,orange or whatever isnt time Bush has one? Shouldnt we be wrapping our houses in plastic because of Iran,Putin or Palin?
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Old Oct 4, 2008, 01:14 PM   #18
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Obama should start running ads of the many interviews in which mccain promised to run a clean campaign.


Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?
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Obama should start running ads of the many interviews in which mccain promised to run a clean campaign.

Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?
Agreed. I'd much rather see Obama run ads about McCain feeling the need to resort to negative ads because he can't win on the issues.

Negative ads don't work well on independents, so the fact that McCain is running them means he's (still) worried out securing turnout of the party base. It's a sign of desperation, especially considering the ghosts the old man has in his closet.
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This all kinda reminds me of an old friend. He was a great skier. One day he got in a wreck and became a paraplegic in a wheelchair. Poor guy.

A great poker friend. We used to have poker nights every friday. 6-10 of us would sit around playing poker and drinking beer etc..
We all helped him when he asked for help getting his wheelchair around obstacles.

But ya know what else ? He was an *******. Pure and simple.

What's this got to do John McCain ?

I am sick and tired of all the platitudes given out to him because he was a POW. My friend was an ******* and many times people called him that because he was. It didn't matter that he was in a wheelchair. He was still an *******.

Same with McCain. He's was a POW. We all know that..It's time to start calling this guy an ******* in the public arena.
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I gotta ask... in America, is it considered a sign of strength to appear desperate?

How does that work, like, "wow, this guy will really do anything to win, I guess that means he would do anything for America too!"...?

Not, like, "jeez, this is about as undignified as it gets. What a loser, I'm voting for the other guy"...?
I wish it would be like the latter. Americans as a whole, would much like to be entertained than think. Most American think what they are told to think. If they see a negative add, they often assume it is true. People who spend too much time in front of a TV, become far more susceptible to visual stimuli, than audio. Most people also respond to fear. So, combine the two; strong fearful imagery and point it at your adversary. This has been the republican strategy for many years. Unfortunately for them, this election it is not working as well. They have come close to destroying America, and people know it.
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I no longer only hate McCain as a politician any more. I now also hate him as a person. He has sunk to so many new lows over the past few months, that whatever honor he had, it is now gone forever.

John McCain - you are a disgrace to The United States of America and to its people.
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Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?
Talk about a rhetorical question....
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it has begun.

I too have lost all respect for McCain
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coming from a man who has in his past (even if under duresse) collaborated with the enemy at a likely cost of american lifes and resources (with the difference that in this case the allegation are justified), it's rich.
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