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Old Nov 17, 2008, 05:54 AM   #1
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Artwork dimensions - vertical horizontal or horizontal vertical?

We have a little debate going here regarding correct display of dimensions. I was taught and have witnessed in every other company I have worked for that when listing artwork dimensions i.e. 55mm x 65mm, the first number should refer to the horizontal dimension and the latter should refer to the vertical.

So the above dimensions would create a box 55mm across and 65mm high.

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Old Nov 17, 2008, 05:57 AM   #2
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Always H x V. A4 Portrait for example is always specified as 210 x 297. Even page set up boxes have the width first.
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Old Nov 17, 2008, 06:16 AM   #3
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Always H x V. A4 Portrait for example is always specified as 210 x 297. Even page set up boxes have the width first.
Thats exactly what I said.
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Old Nov 17, 2008, 07:33 AM   #4
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Well I'd say instinctively (maths x by y) and professionally it would be HxV but it doesn't always turn out that way when I'm working on my own. I know when I'm jotting measurements of A size paper I normally work purely in landscape even when needing portrait measurements for example.
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Old Nov 17, 2008, 07:36 AM   #5
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Old Nov 17, 2008, 08:03 AM   #6
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MacBoobsPro, I think we should stop talking about which is right, and start talking about what you're going to do with the money you're going to win. That would be far more interesting and would give you more variety of answers. Of course it is HxV. (:
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width is always first...or atleast should be, but it never fails that i get dimensions from some pub, outdoor company, or website that has them flipped. Sites are usually pretty easy to spot, i mean, 90 x 728 is just not a normal size, but magazines and pubs confuse the hell out of me. I had one give it to me this (or something close to it);

10.5 x 4

well, i build an ad that is 10.5" wide x 4" tall (which totally jacked up my artwork), to be told that it's actually 10.5" tall by 4 COLUMNS wide. What? why would you list columns last?

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width is always first...or atleast should be, but it never fails that i get dimensions from some pub, outdoor company, or website that has them flipped. Sites are usually pretty easy to spot, i mean, 90 x 728 is just not a normal size, but magazines and pubs confuse the hell out of me. I had one give it to me this (or something close to it);

10.5 x 4

well, i build an ad that is 10.5" wide x 4" tall (which totally jacked up my artwork), to be told that it's actually 10.5" tall by 4 COLUMNS wide. What? why would you list columns last?

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And how wide is one column times 4 plus the margins and gutters?

This has all started because I have recently starting working for a new company and for years they have had the dimensions listed 'backwards' i.e. V x H. Now I've come into the studio and the first thing I noticed was that a lot of clients were sending in artwork in the wrong format. I looked into i all the forms and documentation that went out to clients were wrong.

My boss wasn't so sure as he had been doing like this for years. He checked it with a friendly client of his and the client was probably the only other person in the world that also did it backwards and now there is a debate on what is correct. As I'm younger I obviously don't know what I'm talking about said the award winning graphic designer with his own company.

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Old Nov 17, 2008, 08:39 AM   #9
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I know of some countries that out you in jail for the rest of your natural life if you put V before H. Unfortunately, the US is not one of them. I worked with print shops that also use 'm' for thousand instead of 'K'. Being from Europe, I don't get that either.
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I know of some countries that out you in jail for the rest of your natural life if you put V before H. Unfortunately, the US is not one of them. I worked with print shops that also use 'm' for thousand instead of 'K'. Being from Europe, I don't get that either.
Oh no 'm' for 1000? That reminds me of Printing.com that insist on saying 1.5mm bleed is infact 3mm bleed, it ain't... it's 1.5mm bleed!
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8 1/2 x 11. Thats all there is to it.
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Old Nov 17, 2008, 02:57 PM   #12
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I always get messed up on that too. I go by W x H.
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And how wide is one column times 4 plus the margins and gutters?
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Exactly, and how wide is a column. I've personally come across at least 4 different column sizes and none of them ever make sense. I always ask the pub to give it to me in Inches. I think it's fine to say 4col. x 12" if you are placing media, but when it comes time to build it, i need inches. Man, i'd take mm, picas, pixels, freakin anything over columns. Oh well, another day another dollar. Gotta get back to work.

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I read horizontally, so I logically put width before height. That's my way of remembering.

I also tend to put "W" and "H" after my dimensions just to be on the safe side.
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I read horizontally, so I logically put width before height. That's my way of remembering.

I also tend to put "W" and "H" after my dimensions just to be on the safe side.
I (strangely) remember it as 'across the corridor and up the stairs' because the day I learnt about dimensions etc I was in a new building and also had to remember my way to the class room. They both kind of merged into a mental picture of a corridor and some stairs. Synaesthesia and all that (probably).
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Old Nov 18, 2008, 11:14 AM   #16
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Width before Height. Both Apple and Adobe list it that way, so it's good enough for me.

Also...I thought the 8.5" x 11" was the best way of remembering it, but I was wrong. "Across the corridor and up the stairs" is clearly superior.
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Old Jan 31, 2010, 06:22 PM   #17
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The Museum of Modern Art in NYC lists the Height and then the Width on all there archives!
http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_ar...110001966&vT=1
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Old Jan 31, 2010, 06:31 PM   #18
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And call the US paper 8 1/2" x 11" !

There probably is no correct universal answer.
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Generally w-h...

However, for large paper rolls, the width is actually the shorter dimension listed as 42 inches x 100 feet.
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width is always first...or atleast should be, but it never fails that i get dimensions from some pub, outdoor company, or website that has them flipped. Sites are usually pretty easy to spot, i mean, 90 x 728 is just not a normal size, but magazines and pubs confuse the hell out of me. I had one give it to me this (or something close to it);

10.5 x 4

well, i build an ad that is 10.5" wide x 4" tall (which totally jacked up my artwork), to be told that it's actually 10.5" tall by 4 COLUMNS wide. What? why would you list columns last?

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I worked for a newspaper many years ago and I'm pretty sure we always said 'ten by two' or 'ten by three' meaning for instance 10 cm high by 2 columns wide. Obviously the column is particular to the publication. Column widths were always expressed in picas and points.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, that's just what I remember.
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This thread is from 2008...

But yes: x, then y. Horizontal then vertical. Across then up. Down the corridor and up the stairs...

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I worked for a newspaper many years ago and I'm pretty sure we always said 'ten by two' or 'ten by three' meaning for instance 10 cm high by 2 columns wide. Obviously the column is particular to the publication. Column widths were always expressed in picas and points.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, that's just what I remember.
Every newspaper ad I've ever designed was described as columns x height, and with everything done in inches.
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I always work height x width. When you book a press ad, it's always specified that way, ie 25x4 = 250mm height by 4 column width. Carried it over to standard working pretty much all my clients do it that way too.
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I always work height x width. When you book a press ad, it's always specified that way, ie 25x4 = 250mm height by 4 column width. Carried it over to standard working pretty much all my clients do it that way too.
Perhaps it depends on location. As I noted above, U.S. newspapers/magazines do width x height. Here's the New York Times ad specs for reference.
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