Another conservative getting divorced...

[Cave Man]

Ah, "family values" apparently only apply to other people. Poor Mel.

http://www.people.com/people/article...271996,00.html

[Macaddicttt]

If you actually read the article (or really even just the title), you'd realize that it was Mel's wife that filed for divorce. I'm pretty sure that Mel doesn't want the divorce and, being a rather conservative Catholic, I'm also pretty sure he won't remarry.

[BoyBach]

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why is news of Mel Gibson's pending divorce in the PRSI forum?

[KingYaba]

Originally Posted by BoyBach

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why is news of Mel Gibson's pending divorce in the PRSI forum?

So we can insult conservatives under the guise of political discussion.

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by BoyBach

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why is news of Mel Gibson's pending divorce in the PRSI forum?

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Seriously though- don't really care. The guy's an anti-Semite and his father is far worse. What comes around, goes around.

[runplaysleeprun]

Originally Posted by KingYaba

So we can insult conservatives under the guise of political discussion.

good, so I'm not too late.

[BoyBach]

Ol' Sugartits is self-evidently stark raving bonkers with despicable political beliefs, but it doesn't explain why news of his divorce is in the PRSI forum, or why I care... or, therefore, why I'm posting about it!

[Sun Baked]

Maybe she decided she doesn't like the sober Mel.

[Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by leekohler

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Seriously though- don't really care. The guy's an anti-Semite and his father is far worse. What comes around, goes around.

Was he the one that got pulled over for driving drunk then yelled at the cop for being Jewish? I forgot that was him!

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by Tomorrow

Was he the one that got pulled over for driving drunk then yelled at the cop for being Jewish? I forgot that was him!

Yep. That would be him.

[chrmjenkins]

Originally Posted by KingYaba

So we can insult conservatives under the guise of political discussion.

+1

I hope we can stay above celebrity gossip.

[Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by chrmjenkins

+1

I hope we can stay above celebrity gossip.

True - after all, Mel Gibson is probably better known for being an actor or director than as a conservative.

The headline could just as easily have read, "Another Australian* getting divorced," or "Another Catholic getting divorced," or "Another drunk getting divorced." Pointing him out as a conservative doesn't seem to add anything to the story so much as it offers up another excuse to bash conservatives.

* I know he was born in America, but he grew up in Australia.

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by Tomorrow

True - after all, Mel Gibson is probably better known for being an actor or director than as a conservative.

The headline could just as easily have read, "Another Australian* getting divorced," or "Another Catholic getting divorced," or "Another drunk getting divorced." Pointing him out as a conservative doesn't seem to add anything to the story so much as it offers up another excuse to bash conservatives.

* I know he was born in America, but he grew up in Australia.

He's always been known to me first and foremost as a conservative, verging on racist. Second- he's a crappy actor in s***y movies.

[Cave Man]

Originally Posted by Tomorrow

The headline could just as easily have read, "Another Australian* getting divorced," or "Another Catholic getting divorced," or "Another drunk getting divorced." Pointing him out as a conservative doesn't seem to add anything to the story so much as it offers up another excuse to bash conservatives.

Except that drunks and Australians don't go around touting how they have "family values" that somehow make them better than everyone else like many conservatives do.

[Iscariot]

I hope the divorce ends amicably and both of them are able to move forward with their lives.

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by Iscariot

I hope the divorce ends amicably and both of them are able to move forward with their lives.

He certainly couldn't move much further backward.

[Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Cave Man

Except that drunks and Australians don't go around touting how they have "family values" that somehow make them better than everyone else like many conservatives do.

And neither do all conservatives. I would consider myself a conservative on many issues, I believe that family values are important, and I've been divorced. Nowhere in there do I think I'm better than anyone else.

Your generalization of conservatives is no more valid or less offensive than someone else's generalization of any social, ethnic, or religious group.

Originally Posted by leekohler

He's always been known to me first and foremost as a conservative, verging on racist. Second- he's a crappy actor in s***y movies.

Really, first as a conservative? Even before Mad Max, Gallipoli, etc.? I'll admit I'm a little out of the loop on a lot of things, but the first I ever heard anything at all about his social or political views was when he was making The Passion of the Christ.

[Cave Man]

Originally Posted by Tomorrow

Your generalization of conservatives is no more valid or less offensive than someone else's generalization of any social, ethnic, or religious group.

Thus the use of "many" in my statement. Had I wanted to include you, I would have used "all". Whenever someone spouts off about "family values", nine times out of ten its a conservative. The one of ten is usually someone trying to defend themselves from the other nine.

[chrmjenkins]

Originally Posted by Cave Man

Thus the use of "many" in my statement. Had I wanted to include you, I would have used "all". Whenever someone spouts off about "family values", nine times out of ten its a conservative. The one of ten is usually someone trying to defend themselves from the other nine.

That doesn't change the fact that it's still a generalization that reveals an underlying prejudice. In general, it's the Ad Hominem fallacy.

[fivepoint]

Originally Posted by leekohler

He's always been known to me first and foremost as a conservative, verging on racist. Second- he's a crappy actor in s***y movies.

First, your implication that being conservative indicates a path towards racism is intellectually bankrupt. Second, Braveheart is an amazing movie.

[bartelby]

Originally Posted by fivepoint

Braveheart is an amazing movie.

Except it's not

[fivepoint]

Originally Posted by Cave Man

Except that drunks and Australians don't go around touting how they have "family values" that somehow make them better than everyone else like many conservatives do.

Your argument is statistically anomalous. Now, if you can prove somehow that a higher percentage of married conservatives to married liberals get a divorce, than I would say you're on to something.

This just in "Random Obama voter caught driving SUV."

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by fivepoint

First, your implication that being conservative indicates a path towards racism is intellectually bankrupt. Second, Braveheart is an amazing movie.

Oh god- you know what I meant. I never said it was path leading to racism. At the same time, I don't know too many liberal racists.

No-Braveheart was terrible movie, along with most of the rest of the miserable tripe he's been in. Mad Max was probably the only decent thing he's ever done.

[fivepoint]

Originally Posted by bartelby

Except it's not

I don't base my opinions on other people's opinions. I say it's awesome, because in my opinion it is awesome. I found it to be incredibly entertaining, insipring, gut-wrenching (literally at the end), and well worth the 2.5 hours spent watching.

For what it's worth... I think you'd find MANY more people that would say they liked Braveheart than the opposite.

BTW, 76% on Rotten Tomato and it won the "Best Picture" Academy Award if I'm not mistaken.

[bartelby]

Originally Posted by fivepoint

I don't base my opinions on other people's opinions. I say it's awesome, because in my opinion it is awesome. I found it to be incredibly entertaining, insipring, gut-wrenching (literally at the end), and well worth the 2.5 hours spent watching.

For what it's worth... I think you'd find MANY more people that would say they liked Braveheart than the opposite.

It's utter crap. I formed that opinion on my own when I watched it.