PlayFair - Back Online

[MacRumors]

PlayFair is back online with a new name (Hymn) as well as legal support.

As previously reported, Playfair allows users to strip the Digital Rights Protection from protected iTunes songs without re-encoding, thus preserving the original quality. The new version reportedly supports iTunes 4.5.

Apple has taken a strong legal stance against such applications, and has shut down previous hosts.

[Mord]

i'm downloading this and stashing it for future use.

if only someone did that with the chud tools that let ibooks be overclocked via software sigh

[soosy]

Now that you can no longer use iTMS songs in iPhoto slideshows or iMovies, I actually have an interest in looking into this.

[york2600]

Did anyone really think iTunes 4.5 was going to kill fairplay.

[rog]

Didn't work for me on my 4.5 files. It says it can't open them. It converts earlier version files and they seem to play but I haven't actually listened to any full song yet. Glad to know that now I can archive these files without DRM and use them without hitting the authorized computer ceiling at some point in the future should something happen to one of my macs such that I can't de-authorize one before it dies. I have no intention of sharing these files. In fact, I will still keep the DRM ones in iTunes and on my iPod.

[AhmedFaisal]

If I decide to use a Roku Soundbridge for music I purchase its no one else's business but mine. Its not Steve's business, its not RIAA's business. They get my money for music, so they should shut up and be happy with it because that is all I am willing to give them. What I do with an item I purchase is my decision alone if RIAA don't like that they can die. They act like they are Rolls Royce who can choose its customers, but guess what RIAA, you are Jugo and if I decide to be nice and give you money for your crap you should thank me, even if I just take the CD and piss on it! Take the money and SHUT UP(TM)!
Cheers,

Ahmed

[Gus]

I had a long, well-thought out reply about this, but after reading Ahmed's post, I don't think that I'll bother. Those of you that are convinced that your rights are somehow being oppressed by Apple's DRM will not be convinced otherwise. I mean, really, 5 computers and 7 burns (more really, if you take the time) and this isn't enough for you? If you need more than that, I'm sorry, but you are probably violating copyright law anyway.

Forget it. I'm not wasting any more time with this.

Regards,
Gus

[iBook]

If iTunes will burn the mp4 files on to a CD as an .aiff so it can be played in a CD player, don't you have free access to your music?

Or is the loss in quality so great?

If you use an application like FairPlay, doesn't it simply "convert" an .mp4 into an .mp3?

IMHO, Apple has provided the flexibility we need. I don't care for the RIAA tactics anymore than many of the people in this forum, but they do have a right to defend their intellectual property. And if Apple wants to operate iTunes, it's going to have to give greater credence to what the record labels want vs. what we want.

[nmk]

Originally Posted by AhmedFaisal

If I decide to use a Roku Soundbridge for music I purchase its no one else's ****ing business but mine. Its not Steve's business, its not RIAA's business. They get my money for music, so they should ****ing shut up and be happy with it because that is all I am willing to give them. What I do with an item I purchase is my decision alone if RIAA don't like that they can ****ing die. They act like they are Rolls Royce who can choose its customers, but guess what RIAA, you are ****ing Jugo and if I decide to be nice and give you money for your crap you should thank me, even if I just take the CD and piss on it! Take the money and SHUT THE **** UP(TM)!
Cheers,

Ahmed

That pretty much sums up how I feel about the issue. This whole DRM thing is starting to get crazy. You've got Microsoft with their protected computing platform (protected for the distributers) and Apple with Fairplay. Soon we won't be able to do anything on our computer. I am completely against anything that restricts our rights to do what we want with the computers we buy. Did they put DRM on VCR's. Did they put DRM on tape recorders. No they didn't. These guys have just become greedy bastards, and I say **** them.

[alset]

Originally Posted by AhmedFaisal

If I decide to use a Roku Soundbridge for music I purchase its no one else's ****ing business but mine. Its not Steve's business, its not RIAA's business. They get my money for music, so they should ****ing shut up and be happy with it because that is all I am willing to give them. What I do with an item I purchase is my decision alone if RIAA don't like that they can ****ing die.

etc etc etc.....

Funny, it only took reading about six posts into the thread to remind me why I'm not active in these forums anymore. I wish arn would adopt a system with user moderation (slashcode comes to mind). I'd love to learn and share with the MR community without having to wade through waste-high ignorance.

Dan

[jpk]

Originally Posted by AhmedFaisal

If I decide to use a Roku Soundbridge for music I purchase its no one else's ****ing business but mine. Its not Steve's business, its not RIAA's business. They get my money for music, so they should ****ing shut up and be happy with it because that is all I am willing to give them. What I do with an item I purchase is my decision alone if RIAA don't like that they can ****ing die. They act like they are Rolls Royce who can choose its customers, but guess what RIAA, you are ****ing Jugo and if I decide to be nice and give you money for your crap you should thank me, even if I just take the CD and piss on it! Take the money and SHUT THE **** UP(TM)!
Cheers,

Ahmed

Amen that!

All the best,
JPGK

[bpd115]

Originally Posted by soosy

Now that you can no longer use iTMS songs in iPhoto slideshows or iMovies, I actually have an interest in looking into this.

Uhm...directly from Apple's website....

"Best of all, you can use any song you purchase to accompany an iPhoto slide show, play behind a motion menu in iDVD or set the proper mood in your newest iMovie project."

[TRiPod]

Originally Posted by bpd115

Uhm...directly from Apple's website....

"Best of all, you can use any song you purchase to accompany an iPhoto slide show, play behind a motion menu in iDVD or set the proper mood in your newest iMovie project."

Ummm directly from my programs...

"This computer is not authorized to play this music." (From a quicktime file)

then in iMovie, try dragging an m4p file in there.

While these are limitations that need to be addressed, it's no reason to run out and grab this piece of crap software that will be shut down anyway. If you're gonna use Hymn, just use Poisoned. Your wasting your money by pretending to be legal and use iTMS but stripping the DRM.

[greg75]

Originally Posted by TRiPod

it's no reason to run out and grab this piece of crap software that will be shut down anyway.

Their new hosting provider has stated they will not take the software down, but go to court instead. Then there's DeDRMS which Apple has not taken any action against, because they know they'll lose.

If you're gonna use Hymn, just use Poisoned. Your wasting your money by pretending to be legal and use iTMS but stripping the DRM.

The only reason to use iTMS is because it's legal? Oh, well, I guess you're right, since iTMS screws the artists too.

[nagromme]

Originally Posted by soosy

Now that you can no longer use iTMS songs in iPhoto slideshows or iMovies, I actually have an interest in looking into this.

The new iTunes installer states clearly before you install that if you wish to use your music in other apps, you must ALSO download the new QuickTime. Then you're all set again.

[nagromme]

As for this app... I strongly oppose piracy, and Apple HAS to do the same. (For the sake of iPod sales, for the sake of relationships with labels whose power has not yet vanished, and as a leader in the new legal download marker in general.) I can see why Apple has to fight this kind of thing. I would hope that the uses made of such an app is almost never piracy--but sadly I suspect the reverse.

For the HONEST people using the app, it makes sense to me, and I hope it can be kept legal and not shut down. Sure, you can get the same quality and strip DRM by re-ripping from CD as Apple Lossless (or the more universal WAV). But aside from being a pain, that crams your portable player with much larger files. It sounds like this preserves quality AND filesize--which is otherwise an either-or proposition.

[ryanw]

Originally Posted by soosy

Now that you can no longer use iTMS songs in iPhoto slideshows or iMovies, I actually have an interest in looking into this.

Are you serious? They made it so you can't use your purchased files in iPhoto or iMovie? Not even iLife 04 stuff?? Jeash..... this sux.. why not just go back to buying CDs from amazon.com?

[nmk]

I think it's you who doesn't get it. If you want to use licensed music for a purpose not in the agreement, then you shouldn't have made the agreement. A person is only as good as his or her word.

Most spyware makes you sign an agreement essentially allowing them to transfer your personal details to whomever they want. The fact that you signed this agreement doesn't change the fact that its crap. The agreement that you sign with Apple violates your fair use rights. I'm not sure how a contract can supersceed a national law. I think that there is more than enough grey area to conclude that your agreement with Apple is not worth the pixels it is rendered on.

[Tulse]

Originally Posted by nmk

Most spyware makes you sign an agreement essentially allowing them to transfer your personal details to whomever they want. The fact that you signed this agreement doesn't change the fact that its crap.

But, in the case of spyware, perfectly legal (as far as I have heard). The principle is pretty simple -- if you agree to it, you should keep your word.

The agreement that you sign with Apple violates your fair use rights.

I am not a lawyer, but I seriously doubt that that is true in law. You can indeed make backups of your music. You can keep your music on a limited number of multiple machines, and, if that is too onerous, you can back up your music to MP3 as much as you want (sure, it's in a degraded form, but copying vinyl records and cassette tapes also introduced degradation, and I don't recall people complaining about fair use violations).

[bpd115]

Originally Posted by ryanw

Are you serious? They made it so you can't use your purchased files in iPhoto or iMovie? Not even iLife 04 stuff?? Jeash..... this sux.. why not just go back to buying CDs from amazon.com?

No you can use it in iMove and iPhoto. Just install the new Quicktime.

[Koodauw]

Wow. Some people have very dirty mouths. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

I agree with others, in that if you don't like the terms of the service..DONT USE IT. If it is as horrid as you make it out to be, then the market won't support it.

It will be interesting to see how this thing plays out. Companies like Sony have done a pretty good job of preventing mod-chip sales (at least I think) to help prevent piracy, and DVD-X copy can no longer distribute a DVD-ripper in it burning software. I just hope that software such as this doesn't encourage record labels to pull out of the iTMS.

[AhmedFaisal]

Originally Posted by Koodauw

It will be interesting to see how this thing plays out. Companies like Sony have done a pretty good job of preventing mod-chip sales (at least I think) to help prevent piracy, and DVD-X copy can no longer distribute a DVD-ripper in it burning software. I just hope that software such as this doesn't encourage record labels to pull out of the iTMS.

LOL. Do you really believe in the fairytale that Sony prevented modchips because of piracy? Do you honestly think Region Codes were invented because of that? No, the reason is Sony wants to decide what we can buy and what not. Why should I go to the movies here in Germany and spend 15 Euros for a lousy done dub if I can already get the US DVD for 10$ on Amazon? Its money friend. Same goes for games, why should I buy a hackjob censored European version of a game if I can get it cheaper and uncut from Japan or USA. That is what Sony wants to prevent, not piracy.
Cheers,

Ahmed

[eric_n_dfw]

You guys (gals) scared me when you said the you couldn't use iTMS purchased music in iMovie any more. That's the only way I had (besides dl'ing a hack like PlayFair) of using those tracks in Final Cut Pro.

(iMovie allows you to export your protected AAC track as an AIFF which you can then use in FCP)

[Rower_CPU]

Keep on topic and leave out the inflammatory comments and insults, folks.

People who continue will have posts deleted and/or receive a "time out".

[slughead]

The day I tried playfair was the day iTunes 4.5 came out and told me they were tightening the restrictions on their DRM (no more toast, no more iphoto, no more than 7 burns of the same playlist).

Apple had one chance to keep me buying iTMS, and to keep me from breaking their DRM, and that by was NOT locking down the music that I had already purchased.

All they had to do was NOT try to screw me over, a simple request.

I bought the song, I want to use it in the same way I did when I first bought it. You try to "indian give" my permissions and I'm cutting you off.

Since then I've converted all my m4ps to m4a, and trashed everything having to do with iTMS, I'm even thinking about eliminating my account.

You all can do what you want, they changed the deal after it had been done, and THAT's not playing fair.

Just my two cents.