A Look at WWDC 2009 Build of Snow Leopard

MacRumors · Jun 22, 2009, 07:32 AM

World of Apple recently posted a look at the build of Snow Leopard (10A380) provided to developers at WWDC 2009. Despite being described as "near final", the build did not contain all the features that were demonstrated in the WWDC keynote such as the Dock Exposé. As a result, most of the changes found were rather minor.

Some of the changes detailed include:

- Snow Leopard now counts data sizes in base 10. In the example shown a 320GB hard drive shows as 320GB as opposed to 297GB
- Your timezone can be determined automatically
- System-wide spelling correction

The final version of Snow Leopard will be released in September 2009.

Article Link: A Look at WWDC 2009 Build of Snow Leopard

messedkid · Jun 22, 2009, 07:34 AM

I'm so looking forward to this release!!

Can't wait to dual boot SL and W7 on my soon to come 13" MBP.

emt1 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:38 AM

The base 10 sizes thing will be a little weird at first. I think I'll grow to like it.

yg17 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:39 AM

I hope there's a way to change it to base 2, that's how it's supposed to be

X5-452 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM

Doesn't counting in base 10 go against what's actually there? Wouldn't that artificially inflate storage size?

Schtumple · Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM

Ahhhh can't wait for Snow Leopard, it's definitely going to be good release.

X5-452: It doesn't inflate it, it just counts it differently, so when you buy a 250GB hard drive from PC World, you are actually going to get 250GB... instead of it showing up at 225 or whatever it would say.

It's a step in the simpler direction.

intel · Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM

my build doesnt have dock expose, need it bad. micosoft has long had a solution for this.
the interface on finder really really sucks compared to what microsoft offers, and they sai that they wont change any of it, that is just total and utter BS, they should get their act together.

ju5tin81 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM

Does that mean the upgrade from Leopard really only frees up 5.8 GBs of space rather than 6?

Roller · Jun 22, 2009, 07:41 AM

I'm looking forward it to SL as well. But my major concern is whether it'll have Rosetta support. I've read differing comments on this, ranging from "no" to "it'll be an optional install." There are a few PPC apps, especially Quicken, that I still rely on (thanks, Intuit).

Ivan P · Jun 22, 2009, 07:42 AM

The base 10 thing is because Apple got sick of all the "why have I lost HD space??!!!" topics on MR

miket019 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:43 AM

snow leopard, can't wait

Oirectine · Jun 22, 2009, 07:45 AM

Does the change to base 10 give any sort of benefit? I don't understand why they changed that. I mean I know the hard drive manufacturers do it, but their reason is to make their hard drives look as big as possible.

backdraft · Jun 22, 2009, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel

my build doesnt have dock expose, need it bad. micosoft has long had a solution for this.
the interface on finder really really sucks compared to what microsoft offers, and they sai that they wont change any of it, that is just total and utter BS, they should get their act together.

What don't you like about the Finder versus Windows Explorer?

xraydoc · Jun 22, 2009, 07:50 AM

I hope this is optional! But, knowing Apple, it will not be.

What kind of confusion will a non-geek experience when a Windows user sends a Mac user a 300MB file that suddenly balloons in size? I can think of a thousand ways this will do nothing but confuse people - especially those that live in a cross platform world.

Unless Apple can get Redmond to do the same thing, this will further add to the confusion between Mac and Windows users.

Machinima · Jun 22, 2009, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roller

I'm looking forward it to SL as well. But my major concern is whether it'll have Rosetta support. I've read differing comments on this, ranging from "no" to "it'll be an optional install." There are a few PPC apps, especially Quicken, that I still rely on (thanks, Intuit).

Developers aren't allowed to say too much, however the current build of Snow Leopard doesn't even support many current Leopard apps, such as Little Snitch, and basically no PPC apps, however PPC support is an install option, which means Apple is either actively blocking older apps from working, or they aren't going to work in the final release, basically someones going to have to remake them.

AET10 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacRumors

- Your timezone can be determined automatically

Oh goodie! I've been waiting YEARS for this feature!

syklee26 · Jun 22, 2009, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel

my build doesnt have dock expose, need it bad. micosoft has long had a solution for this.
the interface on finder really really sucks compared to what microsoft offers, and they sai that they wont change any of it, that is just total and utter BS, they should get their act together.

that's like saying Camry is better than Ferrari since Camry offers automatic transmission for free and Ferrari doesn't.

Tygernoot · Jun 22, 2009, 07:59 AM

I agree, using base 10 doesn't make any sense at all. That HD manufacturers use base 10 instead of base 2 is bad enough already.

The only reason I can see Apple doing this, is to make it look like your (e.g.) 8GB iPhone actually has 8GB of space. Whenever you download a file it will look bigger on your HD than indicated because they multiply the size.

And if you want to write something on a 700MB CD, all of a sudden your 680MB file won't fit anymore or will apple also enlarge the CD size?

I don't know everything, so maybe I'm missing the point but I really don't agree with this and I'd like someone to explain me a single benefit (except for Apple making their HDs look bigger than they really are).

MartiNZ · Jun 22, 2009, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel

my build doesnt have dock expose, need it bad. micosoft has long had a solution for this.
the interface on finder really really sucks compared to what microsoft offers, and they sai that they wont change any of it, that is just total and utter BS, they should get their act together.

I guess people will use doxposé for different things - the example they showed in the keynote of dragging a file for attachment onto Mail in the dock and having its windows appear ... Windows has nothing near as useful as that in my experience. Dragging anything from explorer to anywhere is a pain, and the taskbar never ceases to fail at helping - the interface for that with Outlook just locks out the rest of the app, and dragging files to open in Excel or similar usually fails. I keep Notepad in the quick launch bar to open all sorts of files and even then just as often i'll end up with a shortcut to the document in the quick launch bar ... because I was really likely to want that.

liv4Mac · Jun 22, 2009, 08:00 AM

I remembered the early OS the thumb of rule was that you should always leave 10% of your your hard drive space Free. OSX automatically did that for you. Does that mean we have to use that thumb of rule?

Hot Snowboarder · Jun 22, 2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syklee26

that's like saying Camry is better than Ferrari since Camry offers automatic transmission for free and Ferrari doesn't.

How is it like that at all?
lol

Schtumple · Jun 22, 2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roller

I'm looking forward it to SL as well. But my major concern is whether it'll have Rosetta support. I've read differing comments on this, ranging from "no" to "it'll be an optional install." There are a few PPC apps, especially Quicken, that I still rely on (thanks, Intuit).

It's optional on install. Don't panic.

ipedro · Jun 22, 2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syklee26

that's like saying Camry is better than Ferrari since Camry offers automatic transmission for free and Ferrari doesn't.

Why would you want automatic transmission on a Ferrari?

Machinima · Jun 22, 2009, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liv4Mac

I remembered the early OS the thumb of rule was that you should always leave 10% of your your hard drive space Free. OSX automatically did that for you. Does that mean we have to use that thumb of rule?

That was for swap file space because computers a few decades ago didn't have enough RAM, however it hasn't been necessary on Windows or Mac for a long long time, however certain distributions of Linux, including Ubuntu still need it.

Kelmon · Jun 22, 2009, 08:03 AM

I don't suppose there is support for additional languages in Snow Leopard, as far as the system-wide dictionary is concerned, is there? I'm kinda fed up with Leopard (and previous releases) insisting that I spell using American English rather than British English.

Jun 22, 2009, 07:32 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	A Look at WWDC 2009 Build of Snow Leopard World of Apple recently posted a look at the build of Snow Leopard (10A380) provided to developers at WWDC 2009. Despite being described as "near final", the build did not contain all the features that were demonstrated in the WWDC keynote such as the Dock Exposé. As a result, most of the changes found were rather minor. Some of the changes detailed include: - Snow Leopard now counts data sizes in base 10. In the example shown a 320GB hard drive shows as 320GB as opposed to 297GB - Your timezone can be determined automatically - System-wide spelling correction The final version of Snow Leopard will be released in September 2009. Article Link: A Look at WWDC 2009 Build of Snow Leopard

Jun 22, 2009, 07:34 AM	#2
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Jun 22, 2009, 07:38 AM	#3
emt1 macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wisconsin	The base 10 sizes thing will be a little weird at first. I think I'll grow to like it. __________________ SSD Comparison Chart

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yg17 macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO	I hope there's a way to change it to base 2, that's how it's supposed to be __________________ 2.66 GHz quad core Mac Pro, 3 GB RAM, 2x500GB WD Black (RAID0), 2x1TB WD Black (RAID1), LG Blu-Ray Burner, GT120, Dell U2410 13" Unibody MacBook 2.4 GHz 120 GB iPod Classic; 16 GB iPhone 3G

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X5-452 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada	Doesn't counting in base 10 go against what's actually there? Wouldn't that artificially inflate storage size? __________________ iPhone \| 32GB 3GS, OS v3.1 MacBook \| 2.0Ghz Intel Core Duo Camera \| Canon SD870 IS silver

Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM	#6
Schtumple macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: There >	Ahhhh can't wait for Snow Leopard, it's definitely going to be good release. X5-452: It doesn't inflate it, it just counts it differently, so when you buy a 250GB hard drive from PC World, you are actually going to get 250GB... instead of it showing up at 225 or whatever it would say. It's a step in the simpler direction. __________________ My Music 3rd party software is NOT made by Apple

Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM	#7
intel macrumors member Join Date: Aug 2005	my build doesnt have dock expose, need it bad. micosoft has long had a solution for this. the interface on finder really really sucks compared to what microsoft offers, and they sai that they wont change any of it, that is just total and utter BS, they should get their act together.

Jun 22, 2009, 07:40 AM	#8
ju5tin81 macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2006	Does that mean the upgrade from Leopard really only frees up 5.8 GBs of space rather than 6?

Jun 22, 2009, 07:41 AM	#9
Roller macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2003	I'm looking forward it to SL as well. But my major concern is whether it'll have Rosetta support. I've read differing comments on this, ranging from "no" to "it'll be an optional install." There are a few PPC apps, especially Quicken, that I still rely on (thanks, Intuit).

Jun 22, 2009, 07:42 AM	#10
Ivan P macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Western Australia	The base 10 thing is because Apple got sick of all the "why have I lost HD space??!!!" topics on MR __________________ Black 16GB iPhone 3GS 15" Uni MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz, 250GB HDD, 2GB RAM 20" Alu iMac, 2.4GHz, 250GB HDD, 1GB RAM

Jun 22, 2009, 07:43 AM	#11
miket019 macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California	snow leopard, can't wait __________________ flickr

Jun 22, 2009, 07:45 AM	#12
Oirectine macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wuxi, China	Why? Does the change to base 10 give any sort of benefit? I don't understand why they changed that. I mean I know the hard drive manufacturers do it, but their reason is to make their hard drives look as big as possible.

Jun 22, 2009, 07:50 AM	#14
xraydoc macrumors 65816 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Landenberg, PA	I hope this is optional! But, knowing Apple, it will not be. What kind of confusion will a non-geek experience when a Windows user sends a Mac user a 300MB file that suddenly balloons in size? I can think of a thousand ways this will do nothing but confuse people - especially those that live in a cross platform world. Unless Apple can get Redmond to do the same thing, this will further add to the confusion between Mac and Windows users. __________________ Mac Pro 2.66GHz Quad Woodcrest, 9GB RAM, 3.5TB HD, 8800GT, Dell 3008WFP Unibody MacBook 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB HD

Jun 22, 2009, 07:59 AM	#18
Tygernoot macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2003	I agree, using base 10 doesn't make any sense at all. That HD manufacturers use base 10 instead of base 2 is bad enough already. The only reason I can see Apple doing this, is to make it look like your (e.g.) 8GB iPhone actually has 8GB of space. Whenever you download a file it will look bigger on your HD than indicated because they multiply the size. And if you want to write something on a 700MB CD, all of a sudden your 680MB file won't fit anymore or will apple also enlarge the CD size? I don't know everything, so maybe I'm missing the point but I really don't agree with this and I'd like someone to explain me a single benefit (except for Apple making their HDs look bigger than they really are). __________________ Always look on the bright side of life.

Jun 22, 2009, 08:00 AM	#20
liv4Mac macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NYC	I remembered the early OS the thumb of rule was that you should always leave 10% of your your hard drive space Free. OSX automatically did that for you. Does that mean we have to use that thumb of rule? __________________ Mac Pro 2.8Ghz Penryn/ Two 23" cinema Display iMac 2.4Ghz 24"/ MacBook 2.0Ghz

Jun 22, 2009, 08:03 AM	#25
Kelmon macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Belgium	Real English? I don't suppose there is support for additional languages in Snow Leopard, as far as the system-wide dictionary is concerned, is there? I'm kinda fed up with Leopard (and previous releases) insisting that I spell using American English rather than British English.

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