OS X Snow Leopard Tidbits: On Demand QuickTime 7 Installation

[MacRumors]

Since the release of the OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 developer seed late last week, users have been digging through the new version looking for and documenting changes and additions.

The introduction of QuickTime X in Snow Leopard brings a streamlined interface lacking some of the functionality found in QuickTime 7. It has been reported that earlier Snow Leopard builds would prompt the user to install QuickTime 7 and automatically do so upon command when attempting to open a file supported only by QuickTime 7. The QuickTime 7 functionality, however, was reportedly incomplete in earlier builds. Build 10A394 now permits full installation of QuickTime 7 in this manner and offers the full suite of QuickTime 7 Pro features that currently require a separate paid license on Leopard and Tiger.



Article Link: OS X Snow Leopard Tidbits: WWAN Card Support Built-In, QuickTime 7 Installation

[radiogorillaz]

So half-way through the vid I had to jump up from my desk and do hand swirlies and bob my head to the music and while i was doing that I missed the significance of what they were showing and why it mattered.

my bad

[makkystyle]

Originally Posted by MacRumors

Since the release of the OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 developer seed late last week, users have been digging through the new version looking for and documenting changes and additions...

Article Link: OS X Snow Leopard Tidbits: WWAN Card Support Built-In, QuickTime 7 Installation

The article link still references the pulled information:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/30/...-installation/

Why was this (the portion about WWAN compatibility built in to the OS) cut from the article, this was the most interesting piece of info about SL I've seen yet. Apple legal contact you guys?

[seashellz]

QT Pro included? Not bad-even thought ive never figured out what it does better than the basic
adding QT MPEG 2 would be really nice

[Jethryn Freyman]

What formats are opened by QT7 that aren't read by QTX?

[TheWarIsNotOver]

Good to know that they are not adding 3G network to the MacBook, hehe, I just bought a new one xD

[NinjaHERO]

We just keep inching closer and closer to September. Can't wait for SL

[SeaFox]

QuickTime Pro licenses were $30 IIRC. Looks like Snow Leapord just paid for itself.

[twoodcc]

good. i'll have to play around more with quicktime

[DELLsFan]

I hope this new version of QT is everything it's been hyped up to be. It looks cool.

[Mac21ND]

DISCO! DISCO! DISCO!

(sorry, had to).

[SydneyDev]

Doing complete rewrite is almost never a good idea. New developers see something that looks old and bloated to them and convince management to rewrite it, only to find those features are there for a reason, and now with th e cut down version they have suddenly lost their lead on the competition.

Ideally they should have stuck with Quicktime 7 and refactored in the best parts of the QT X code. But too late for that now, so why not include 7 on the OS disk, even if hidden? Why force people to download it. This is not a cool piece of convenience, but Apple wasting people's bandwidth for no good reason.

[iAlexG]

Cant wait for snow leopard!!! Quicktime X should be good

[dagamer34]

Wow, video is already gone.

[chr1s60]

Nice use of the Dock in that vid Kind of interesting about QuickTime.

[elppa]

I thought once installed it would open the file you were trying to open in Quicktime X. That would be a slicker way of handling it. The “Do you want to open the movie in Quicktime player ??” message maybe suggests a final update coming.

Originally Posted by Sky Blue

haha, what's up with the music in that video.

I think it's a new internet meme - Snow Leopard videos require a euro techno soundtrack.

Originally Posted by manu chao

Is QT 7 following the fate of iMovie 6?

In that it is being phased out for a newer, and ultimately better version?

iMovie '06 -> iMovie '08 (iMovie '06 offered concurrently)
iMovie '09 (better than both)

Quicktime 7 Player -> Quicktime X Player (Quicktime 7 Player offered concurrently)
Quicktime X Player 2 (better than both, possibly)

Both iMovie (the very first iApp) and especially Quicktime were probably in need of a rewrite. Remember - we can't see the code. We have no idea how hard it would be to add the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future to the existing codebases of either app.

Think Finder as well — rewritten from scratch. Why would Apple do that? Maybe because the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future wouldn't be easy to add to the codebase of the Leopard Finder. Of course you can't run two Finders simultaneously, so they just kept the UI and feature set pretty much the same.

Personally I think Apple's being really smart. I like this approach better than keeping hacking on functionality to already bloated, complex software. I think a bit of patience may result in rich rewards later. Software is a process, it's not like a book. It is never done. Yet sometimes there comes a time to step back and take stock.

I hope the same due dilligence is take with iTunes. I'd gladly forgoe a few features to have a really responsive, nicely polished Mac app. It beachballs way more than almost all Apple apps (and most third party apps) on my system.

[Juo100]

Originally Posted by elppa

I thought once installed it would open the file you were trying to open in Quicktime X. That would be a slicker way of handling it. The “Do you want to open the movie in Quicktime player ??” message maybe suggests a final update coming.

I expect so, it threw me a little bit.

[tyr2]

Anyone know if MPEG2 support will still be a paid add-on in Snow Leopard?

I'm assuming it will, but it would be nice if it was included

[holbie]

I suspected that this has been addressed before (and thanks to MRoogle), I now know it's not news to anyone here, but I wanted to share what I just posted on the comments for the YouTube video (in case it's pulled down).

"This is neat. When one opens a PPC app in Snow Leopard (and they haven't installed Rosetta yet) Software Update offers to download and install Rosetta.

This is very slick, and I look forward to Apple slimming down installs more, and letting users get components as needed."

There you go, now use MRoogle! :-)

[mdriftmeyer]

Originally Posted by elppa

I thought once installed it would open the file you were trying to open in Quicktime X. That would be a slicker way of handling it. The “Do you want to open the movie in Quicktime player ??” message maybe suggests a final update coming.



I think it's a new internet meme - Snow Leopard videos require a euro techno soundtrack.


In that it is being phased out for a newer, and ultimately better version?

iMovie '06 -> iMovie '08 (iMovie '06 offered concurrently)
iMovie '09 (better than both)

Quicktime 7 Player -> Quicktime X Player (Quicktime 7 Player offered concurrently)
Quicktime X Player 2 (better than both, possibly)

Both iMovie (the very first iApp) and especially Quicktime were probably in need of a rewrite. Remember - we can't see the code. We have no idea how hard it would be to add the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future to the existing codebases of either app.

Think Finder as well — rewritten from scratch. Why would Apple do that? Maybe because the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future wouldn't be easy to add to the codebase of the Leopard Finder. Of course you can't run two Finders simultaneously, so they just kept the UI and feature set pretty much the same.

Personally I think Apple's being really smart. I like this approach better than keeping hacking on functionality to already bloated, complex software. I think a bit of patience may result in rich rewards later. Software is a process, it's not like a book. It is never done. Yet sometimes there comes a time to step back and take stock.

I hope the same due dilligence is take with iTunes. I'd gladly forgoe a few features to have a really responsive, nicely polished Mac app. It beachballs way more than almost all Apple apps (and most third party apps) on my system.

All apps are being rewritten to fully leverage two finally modernized [read: no longer crippled for Carbon's sake] versions of Foundation Kit and AppKit.

Everyone will note the changes after Snow Leopard has arrived with the updates to the Reference Library:

https://developer.apple.com/referenc...coa/index.html

[deconstruct60]

Originally Posted by elppa

Both iMovie (the very first iApp) and especially Quicktime were probably in need of a rewrite. Remember - we can't see the code. We have no idea how hard it would be to add the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future to the existing codebases of either app.

Think Finder as well — rewritten from scratch. Why would Apple do that? Maybe because the kind of features Apple wants to add in the future wouldn't be easy to add to the codebase of the Leopard Finder

Unless Apple is dropping Quicktime for Windows, Quicktime is different from the iApps in that it is "portable" across platforms. They probably are in need of refactor to support Vista/Win7 and Mac OS X 10.5/10.6 than the notion of the Finder rewrite.

iTunes is layered on Quicktime so can't see how Quicktime X stays Mac OS X only.

The veneer that is the GUI on top of Quicktime player/pro may be what has been changed more so than Quicktime itself.

[elppa]

Originally Posted by deconstruct60

Unless Apple is dropping Quicktime for Windows, Quicktime is different from the iApps in that it is "portable" across platforms. They probably are in need of refactor to support Vista/Win7 and Mac OS X 10.5/10.6 than the notion of the Finder rewrite.

Apple probably apply similar methodologies across all the software they develop, regardless of whether it is cross platform or Mac only - This is why I was drawing the comparison between the approach with iMovie (where the previous (feature rich) version was offered alongside the new (cleaner) version) and Quicktime.

Originally Posted by deconstruct60

iTunes is layered on Quicktime so can't see how Quicktime X stays Mac OS X only.

I would be surprised if Apple doesn't have internal Quicktime X builds for Windows, there is just no need to release them. That's because whilst Quicktime on the Mac is needed for iLife, iWork, Pro Apps etc. Quicktime on Windows is only really needed for iTunes. So there's no need to say or do anything until a version of iTunes based on Quicktime X is available. When does Apple announce new versions of iTunes… September. When will Mac OS X Snow Leopard officialy ship… Septemebr. There's no reason at all why they won't do a simultaneous cross platform release.

I suspect at the media event in September we will see 64 bit Quicktime X for Windows, alongside a new iTunes for Mac and Windows which is based upon Quicktime X. If not in September then soon after.

Originally Posted by deconstruct60

The veneer that is the GUI on top of Quicktime player/pro may be what has been changed more so than Quicktime itself.

This far from the case, both from what I have read and been told. Quicktime X is a under the hood overhaul.

[fef714]

Originally Posted by elppa

iMovie '06 -> iMovie '08 (iMovie '06 offered concurrently)
iMovie '09 (better than both)

Quicktime 7 Player -> Quicktime X Player (Quicktime 7 Player offered concurrently)
Quicktime X Player 2 (better than both, possibly)

OMG, NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOO, iMovie '09 is NOT better then iMovie HD 6.
It may be better then '08, but not '06.

The thing that was lost in the new iMovie was not so much features or effects, but the intuitive timeline, and the whole UI.

iMovie '09 still features that awful scrubber thing. It works in iPhoto, but not iMovie.

I'm still kinda mad about this. Although I use FCE anyway, so why should I care.


Sorry about my rant, but I believe that the new iMovie is one of the few things that Apple has completely botched.

I cannot think of another Apple screwup... Unless you count the Rokr as Apple

[dariusperkins]

Originally Posted by fef714

OMG, NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOO, iMovie '09 is NOT better then iMovie HD 6....
...I believe that the new iMovie is one of the few things that Apple has completely botched.

Too right. I'm a certified pro in Final Cut, use Avid, and teach kids iMovie.

The new version, whilst providing an 'easy in' to video editing for some, teaches a different paradigm of editing than industry practice. The interface is horrible, fine-tuned edits difficult to access, and it's generally a dogturd piece of duplo software that isn't fit to edit the .3GPs off a telephone.

[Sky Blue]

haha, what's up with the music in that video.