iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

MacRumors · Jul 15, 2009, 02:13 PM

Earlier today, Apple released iTunes 8.2.1, describing the update only as providing "a number of important bug fixes and addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices." The notice regarding device verification has led to speculation that the update breaks the ability for the Palm Pre to sync directly with iTunes.

According to a posting at PreCentral and a report in our own forums, this is indeed the case, signaling the latest salvo in the ongoing dispute between Apple and Palm, which has hired a number of former Apple employees in recent years as it attempts to outdo the iPhone.

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At least on this Mac, iTunes sync isn't working after the 8.2.1 update. We were wondering if this day would come after the back and forth between Apple and Palm on the issue. It's as-yet unclear exactly what method Apple is using to block Pre sync, but we suspect is wasn't easy. ...Which means we also suspect it might not be easy for Palm to turn it back on.

Article Link: iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

arkitect · Jul 15, 2009, 02:15 PM

Well colour me surprised.

Tallest Skil · Jul 15, 2009, 02:15 PM

Good! Let the war begin.

Achiever · Jul 15, 2009, 02:16 PM

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

Liamf555 · Jul 15, 2009, 02:17 PM

wow how surprising...

bbplayer5 · Jul 15, 2009, 02:17 PM

haha this is hilarious

skillz1318 · Jul 15, 2009, 02:19 PM

I am interested to see how Palm reacts....

chriszzz · Jul 15, 2009, 02:19 PM

Look what happens when you try to play it cheap and bum off others hard work. They got what was coming to them.

justflie · Jul 15, 2009, 02:20 PM

I have some popcorn and soda and will be sitting on my sofa to watch the fight. Who else is coming? Someone bring beer, preferably Yueng Ling...

akm3 · Jul 15, 2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Achiever

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

I'm an Apple stock holder, and I agree they have no obligation to support competitors, but purposefully breaking compatibility is just venomous. Their is already more and more clamouring about Apple's monopoly with the iTunes store (more related to music purchasing and abusing the labels then only their hardware being compatible) and doing this kind of stuff will just bring regulatory investigation sooner rather than later.

What they SHOULD have done is just said "we can't promise it won't break in the future", and waited to see if the Pre actually stole a significant number of iPhone sales, and if it does, THEN break it in a more routine update rather then a 'So *THERE*' get back at you type of update.

-allen

likegadgets · Jul 15, 2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Achiever

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

Would you apply the same to Microsoft?

pdjudd · Jul 15, 2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by likegadgets

Would you apply the same to Microsoft?

In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.

likegadgets · Jul 15, 2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjudd

In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.

In some aspects of their business, it is debatable if Apple is not approaching or is a monopoly. Not yet tested, perhaps soon.

BongoBanger · Jul 15, 2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjudd

In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.

At present.

peestandingup · Jul 15, 2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjudd

In what way? Remember Microsoft is different than Apple - Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and Apple is not.

Apple is more "Microsoft" than Microsoft ever thought about being.

Meaning at least MS is open to letting 3rd parties access their stuff. Apple is basically as closed & proprietary as you can get.

manhattanboy · Jul 15, 2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Achiever

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

Sounds eerily like saying "They have no obligation to support the software compatibility" of other browser manufacturers.

IMHO this is *THE* worst move that Apple has made in a long time.
I guess today marks the decline of Apple's moral anti-trust beliefs and the beginning of a rotten core.

logmonkey · Jul 15, 2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Achiever

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

Not having an obligation and purposefully making a change to cut people out is two entirely different things.

You missed the point....Apple is not hurting palm, they are hurting their own consumers who've paid for their songs and should be able to play them anyway they wish.

pdjudd · Jul 15, 2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by logmonkey

You missed the point....Apple is not hurting palm, they are hurting their own consumers who've paid for their songs and should be able to play them anyway they wish.

There is no way to do anything in any way you would like to. I want to drive on the highway in reverse in the car that I pay for, but that happens to illegal. The law also says you have to respect other people's property.

And nobody is stopping people from using unprotected content. They just can't use iTunes to do that. Last time I checked, iTunes is proprietary and there is nothing illegal about that. I can't hack the PS3 or fool it to play Xbox games either.

Winni · Jul 17, 2009, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Achiever

Good for Apple if this is true. They have no obligation to support the software compatibility of a non-licensing competitor.

The problem is that Apple is not licensing their iTunes-related stuff to anybody, so the Palm guys had to implement such a hack.

Apple hasn't lost enough lawsuits, yet. But eventually, even Mr Proprietary, aka Steve Jobs, will learn his lessons the hard and bitter way.

Peace · Jul 15, 2009, 02:15 PM

Good!! I dislike thieves.

Shasterball · Jul 15, 2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace

Good!! I dislike thieves.

??? Who's the thief?

Hunts121 · Jul 15, 2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace

Good!! I dislike thieves.

how are they thieves? they still have to buy the music from the itunes store to get it on there or use their own.

Tallest Skil · Jul 15, 2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunts121

how are they thieves? they still have to buy the music from the itunes store to get it on there or use their own.

*facepalm* This has nothing to do with music. How could you think that?

This has to do with Palm being too lazy to write their own software for the Pre and use an iTunes exploit instead.

DougB541 · Jul 15, 2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

*facepalm* This has nothing to do with music. How could you think that?

This has to do with Palm being too lazy to write their own software for the Pre and use an iTunes exploit instead.

What has it to do with being lazy??

The Pre does drag and drop...but there are a large amount of people who won't use anything other than iTunes ever again....you and I both know that.

This way tossing them a bone....they can continue doing the sync for all older versions of iTunes. Either that, or download Doubletwist which imports your music from iTunes and allows you to sync to multiple devices.

Palm making their own stand-alone sync is pointless.

dukebound85 · Jul 15, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace

Good!! I dislike thieves.

thieves? of what?

poor move apple

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