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The problem is not using base-10 or base-2, the problem is using base-2 and reporting it as base-10. That incorrect way of doing things has been going on for years and years and is what is creating a lot of confusion among both users and even technicians no matter what hardware or software is being used. I'd rather have Apple fix OS X that it displays the correct system. I don't care if Finder uses base-10 and Activity Monitor uses base-2 as long as I can tell the difference (which I can't right now). |
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I have now started ignoring the file size column in finder
its handy to see if your disk is nearly full, but as file sizes dont match anything except other SL systems they are completely pointless I keep checking for an alternative to finder, path finder looked great and i was about to purchase this, they changed to base 10 also so i deleted it
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Rather than replace Finder, why not correct the problem at its source? The size strings are assembled using the Foundation framework, so if you change the base number it uses to calculate sizes from 1000 to 1024 then it will not only change the size displays in Finder to base 2, but also in Disk Utility and probably a few other Apple programs as well. Here's a simple command line utility that does exactly that:
http://files.me.com/brkirch/72zto4 Keep in mind that the usual software disclaimer applies, that is more specifically: Quote:
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That's pretty intriguing. I'll have to look over the source later
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This awesome news. Now we just need to get Apple to put this in system preferences! |
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yep, everybody please keep hammering apple with feedback until they do the right thing
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html |
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This is stupid. The problem is that they didn't change "Snow Leopard". Otherwise, all apps would be affected. They only changed a library used by Finder and Disk Utility. READ THIS!
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This is good, since it means it's very easy for Apple to have a setting to use base-2 (1024) or base 10 (1000) in system preferences, or for a think party (i.e. tinkertool) to change this setting globally. Of course, third party apps should use this same library so that way they aren't forcing their users to use one size display versus another. |
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Hmmm... just because a group of people have decided to go against HISTORICAL definitions of KB, MB, GB, etc... does not make it "right".
Storage on computers are always base 2 and there are clear logical reasons for it. And from the beginning KB, MB, GB have been defined in terms of base 2. As far as I'm concerned, KB being 1024 bytes IS THE RIGHT definition. And I do not care what international committees decide. |
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Simple question time. When a software vendor records on their product label the HDD space requirements for their program. . .is that measurement in base2 or base10? I ask this because I honestly don't know. If it's Base10, then at least when it comes to storage I can compare apples to apples and I can just be pissed about having been sold a product that does not have the capacity advertised. [You can sell me all the B/S in the world about why you think Base10 is superior/smarter/better, and my brain will *STILL* compute space in Base2. After over 2 decades, you're not going to get that to change]
*IF*, however, programs and files are still reported in Base2, then not only are you losing space off the top [@ the HDD end] but you're losing space off the other side as well [according to computer, program is bigger than advertised on the label due to Base10 calculation]. And if THAT'S the case, why haven't they standardized it all around??? [Sure, maybe they have. . but I've never heard or seen anything on this argument outside of the HDD sector. Either way, corporations = money and money = their way, no matter who likes/dislikes their practices. I'd say if you don't like it find another company to do business with, but that's kinda hard when they're all in bed with each other to begin with. |
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The major exception is the bloody HD manufacturers who use base-10 for marketing reasons. I wish all the lawsuits about that had succeeded years ago and we wouldn't have the problem today. |
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I made a minor bug fix to the command line utility that switches how Foundation framework calculates sizes, just redownload from:
http://files.me.com/brkirch/72zto4 The bug fix is just to ensure HFS+ compression is reapplied after patching the Foundation framework to base 2; it should save 7546941 bytes, or about 7.2 MiB. If you have already used the earlier version of the command line utility then just run the newer version twice. |
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And to duykur, sidewinder, gibbz, jedijoe: May I ask you to change your signatures to either use binary prefixes for the RAM-size or properly convert them to MB/GB. PS: Using a SI-prefix for a not-SI-unit is stupid to begin with, and yes, next to all OS do it wrong, even today. But do you see people using kilomiles or centiinch or hectogallons? No? Guess why: no SI-units. Bit/Byte ain't SI-units either, so use IEC-standardized symbols (b for bit, B for byte) and binary prefixes. So Apple is using a wrong prefix and does proper conversions in a wrong place. PPS: In other forums I even saw people suggesting Apple to change the definition of a byte to 10 bit, for consistency-reasons. Sheesh... EDIT2: Oh, and for all SI-lovers: the SI-symbol for kilo is "k", "K" is for Kelvin. Last edited by Hurda; Sep 21, 2009 at 03:47 PM. |
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Btw, DNS only has 4 different values, this is clearly wrong too. Thankfully we now have genetic engineering, so we should be able to re-engineer all life in the world to use a system based on 10! Even more jobs! |
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this patch doesn't work correctly:
here from bash plain bytes: ls -al DVD_DUMP.dmg -rw-r--r--+ 2 visi staff 7687476522 Sep 17 17:02 DVD_DUMP.dmg human readable: ls -alh DVD_DUMP.dmg -rw-r--r--+ 2 visi staff 7.2G Sep 17 17:02 DVD_DUMP.dmg and here the finder: ![]() Click for full size - Uploaded with plasq's Skitch |
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SI has always been base 10 and the kilo, mega, micro, deci, centi, giga prefixes have been around since the metric units (gramme, metre, etc) were first invented. http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/meter.html Which is a long time before than the 1940s when the first electronic computer (Collosus NOT ENIAC) was produced. So in fact the HISTORICAL unit is base 10. I don't support the way it has been implemented in Snow, and think altering the units to read as GiB, KiB, MiB would have been much better because then the sizes would have remained the same and avoided the confusion whilst introducing the correct notation for the units.
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Who cares? You still have the same physical amount of space. It's just another way to calculate it.
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Therefore a lot of people care.
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