Macworld NY 2002 Round-Up

blakespot · Jul 17, 2002, 11:57 AM

Well, MWNY 2002 has drawn to a close. We saw a good number of offerings from Apple. In short:
<ul>
<li> New 17" iMac w/ GeForce 4MX and 17" cinematic screen (1440x900)
<li> 10GB iPod gets solid state wheel, 10% thinner, tethered remote, case, new firmware
<li> New 20GB iPod with same as above
<lI> iPod prices: 5GB = $290, 10GB = $399, 20GB = $499. "Extras" (remote, etc.) can be purchased for all iPods for $39
<li> New apps: iSync (phone sync), iCal, iTunes 3, Sherlock 3, enhanced Mail and Address Book
<lI> OS X 10.2 Jaguar ships August 24 (early) for $129
</ul>
See our play-by-play of the expo for detailed info.
As suspected, no new PowerMacs. That are rumored to be released in August. Keeping in mind the fact that Apple cannot work miracles every six months, we think this was a pretty good show. The iMac becomes far more appealing and we've got lots of new apps to play with. Check Apple's site.

lucs · Jul 17, 2002, 12:08 PM

wow this is all great!!! WTG apple

but alas, no new powermacs

bbarnhart · Jul 17, 2002, 12:10 PM

I think the crowd attending the show were very disappointed.

drastik · Jul 17, 2002, 12:11 PM

well crap, I can't find anything on the new iApps on the site, maybe they are still updating.

Sublime · Jul 17, 2002, 12:11 PM

I am a bit surprised at the lack off hardware refreshing...

Mausabiest · Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM

I hoped that there would be new Powermacs but again no Powermacs just like in January. Hope Apple will do something soon. New software o.k. but I was expecting a little bit more.

djniche · Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM

really good applications
i was impressed by the rendezvous and jaguar complete
but 129 as a price? a little too much dont you think.

that new Imac looks decent now to work on with the widescreen 17!

PowerMacs coming august - just a month wait.

King Cobra · Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM

Honestly, I am extremely disappointed, since I could not see 99% of the broadcast.

On the other hand, I like the iPod update, the iTunes update and the Jaguar update. However, I don't like the idea of a widescreen iMac. To me, it just looks disgusting. On a Powerbook it looks cool. Aside a PowerMac it looks cool. But on an iMac just looks...awful.

I realize that Apple cannot bring forth PowerMacs every six months, but from what I have read there was not even a freakin ANNOUNCEMENT about newer PowerMacs coming soon. THAT and the fact that IF the new models have DDR-RAM, the Macs were not released at a big event, for a big product, are what got me startled.

I still hold my predictions for the PowerMac speeds/specs for August, assuming they are released then.

TyleRomeo · Jul 17, 2002, 12:14 PM

it was a good show and now i await the August Power Macs

Sayer · Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM

Great ALL iDisks will close down UNLESS you cough up a bunch of money to Apple.

So if you don't pay EVERYTHING on your current iDisk gets dumped in 75 days. Woohoo way to generate revenue Apple.

http://homepage.mac.com/pasoftware/idsk-expires.jpg

How about buying my nearly worthless stock for $49 a share instead?

gelbin · Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM

no upgrade price for jagwire.
now that is the worst.
i bought g4 533's for my school and osx is not quick on them. they will have to upgrade, and that comes at a price.

17" imac is good, but 2K is above the price for a pmac w/small flatscreen, or close too it.

the imacs are pushing the high end (though they too need a speed boost)

overall, new software looks promising, though no aac which pisses me off, but hardware is what i was looking for.

poop
.

Sun Baked · Jul 17, 2002, 12:16 PM

Why should they be disappointed, they should have expected that the new Powermac would not show this time round and that Jaguar would full whack payment.

Even though everyone was hoping that wouldn't be the case.

3rdpath · Jul 17, 2002, 12:17 PM

its gonna be tough for apple to change their public persona as mainly a hardware and OS company. all these apps are nice and apple's future is gonna be diverse..so i guess that makes this a good showing.

still-i think they're really lacking in the hardware area for professionals. i can't imagine that all of those meetings with the big production houses yielded:
20 gig ipod....

TyleRomeo · Jul 17, 2002, 12:20 PM

ohh no, did anyone realize that iTunes 3 has no AAC support

Brent · Jul 17, 2002, 12:20 PM

The software announcements are exciting, but the paucity of hardware announcements is dissapointing.

I was hoping for at least a PowerMac announcement, and maybe some minor revisions to the notebooks.

And what the F*** are they thinking charging $129 for OS X.2?!?

TyleRomeo · Jul 17, 2002, 12:21 PM

ohh no, did anyone realize that iTunes 3 has no AAC support

ImAlwaysRight · Jul 17, 2002, 12:21 PM

All we heard is how we are getting charged for OS X.2 update, you must now pay $100/yr for iTools (which had been free), and no new PowerMacs. The only thing we got was the introduction of a 4th iMac G4 model w/17" screen and GeForce4MX which isn't a whole lot better than the GeForce2MX. It's still on 100MHz bus and no L3 cache. Performance will be virtually identical to iMac G4 800 w/15" introduced 6 months ago. Are we to call this progress? I, for one, am very disappointed with this MacWorld.

digital1 · Jul 17, 2002, 12:22 PM

Overall I think the show was good. But as for the PowerMacs, I will have exercise patience. But, also, I am happy to see that the iMacs are starting to get a little boost. The education part of the store seems to be down, I want to price the new iMac for education.

cyberfunk · Jul 17, 2002, 12:23 PM

I'm still quite annoyed that there are no new PMacs... As someone said.. the major undertone of this whole keynote was: WE NEED MORE MONEY... the whole damn thing felt like a sales pitch.. felt like they were trying to milk me.. I dont like being milked.

digital1 · Jul 17, 2002, 12:23 PM

correction:

Its just slow as heck...

gelbin · Jul 17, 2002, 12:25 PM

are the imacs available??

Horne · Jul 17, 2002, 12:28 PM

I must say I am a bit dissapointed with the little amount of hardware updates.
Also I don't like companies much who start something free, get everyone onto it, then start charging.
I KNOW this is how business works, I am a shareholder in many companies (or was until last week!), but I was feel it is slightly underhand.
So many people will have to pay now they are used to it.
Don't tell me this wasn't planned all along!

Gutted at now new PMs cos I sold my dual 800 last week in hoping for a new 1.4 GHz....But more gutted at myself than Apple.

I suppose there are a lot of nice thng to look forward to when I get a new PowerMac with (free?) Jaguar ni August.

Horne

sparkleytone · Jul 17, 2002, 12:29 PM

imacs available two weeks. i have no problem paying for jaguar. i want the dev cd anyways. i am overall happy with this show. i had it in full screen mpeg4 on my mac while in class. that is the ****. now four people in my class want a mac. one of them is a linux head. mpeg4 full screen on a 600MHz processor. he was sold. dont bitch about money. the imac was driopped $100. wtg apple. the 17" is a STEAL at 1999.

im stoked.

discolove · Jul 17, 2002, 12:30 PM

I just sent this to Apple. I'm not that happy at the moment.

Dear Mr/Miss,

I just read through the FAQ and noticed that you are going to deactivate my @mac.com email unless I pay $49.99 before 30 September.

Honestly, I've never had a single complaint about Apple before and, as soon as I've had a chance, I have always recommended your products and services to friends of mine.
Because of this my best friend and his girlfriend changed from an @hotmail.com email to a @mac.com email a couple of weeks ago. I feel quite sorry for them since their email accounts now will be deleted.

As I mentioned earlier I've never had anything bad to say about Apple but now I do. I feel deeply dissapointed and don't think that I'll ever defend Apple, as I've always done before, again.

I suppose that you will receive a lot of complaints like this and just trash my email straight away but if you decide to reply I would prefer not to have a standard reply saying that you are doing it for the customer and that you're improving the service and so on.

Best regards,
Mikael who used to be a very happy Mac user.

crazylb1 · Jul 17, 2002, 12:33 PM

Man! you guys are a mess! Its like this every year though!

I realy like those new ipods! 5gb for $299, 10gb for $399 and 20gb for $499!!! Solid state scroll wheels on ten and twenty gig models plus accessories included, and on the 10g model its thinner than the other two! I think I'm finally going to join the ipod club.

But seriously did you really expect to see powertowers? I wasnt, the software looks great, and .Mac for current itools users is 49 bucks the first year. I think I'll get it, it will be very functional since I'm a college student. I looking forward to jaguar big time! And its 129 new not as an upgrade! chill out!

Jul 17, 2002, 11:57 AM	#1
blakespot macrumors god Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Alexandria, VA	Macworld NY 2002 Round-Up Well, MWNY 2002 has drawn to a close. We saw a good number of offerings from Apple. In short: <ul> <li> New 17" iMac w/ GeForce 4MX and 17" cinematic screen (1440x900) <li> 10GB iPod gets solid state wheel, 10% thinner, tethered remote, case, new firmware <li> New 20GB iPod with same as above <lI> iPod prices: 5GB = $290, 10GB = $399, 20GB = $499. "Extras" (remote, etc.) can be purchased for all iPods for $39 <li> New apps: iSync (phone sync), iCal, iTunes 3, Sherlock 3, enhanced Mail and Address Book <lI> OS X 10.2 Jaguar ships August 24 (early) for $129 </ul> See our play-by-play of the expo for detailed info. As suspected, no new PowerMacs. That are rumored to be released in August. Keeping in mind the fact that Apple cannot work miracles every six months, we think this was a pretty good show. The iMac becomes far more appealing and we've got lots of new apps to play with. Check Apple's site.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:08 PM	#2
lucs macrumors member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago	wow wow this is all great!!! WTG apple but alas, no new powermacs __________________ Mock...yeah; ing...yeah; bird...yeah; yeah....yeah........

Jul 17, 2002, 12:11 PM	#4
drastik macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nashvegas	well crap, I can't find anything on the new iApps on the site, maybe they are still updating. __________________ Good Touch Software - Bespoke iPhone Applications

Jul 17, 2002, 12:11 PM	#5
Sublime macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: LBC	Well what ya think? I am a bit surprised at the lack off hardware refreshing...

Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM	#6
Mausabiest macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	No new Powermacs, :-(((( I hoped that there would be new Powermacs but again no Powermacs just like in January. Hope Apple will do something soon. New software o.k. but I was expecting a little bit more.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:10 PM	#3
bbarnhart macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Stilwell, Kansas	I think the crowd attending the show were very disappointed.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM	#7
djniche macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: DC	really good applications i was impressed by the rendezvous and jaguar complete but 129 as a price? a little too much dont you think. that new Imac looks decent now to work on with the widescreen 17! PowerMacs coming august - just a month wait.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:13 PM	#8
King Cobra Guest Join Date: Mar 2002	Honestly, I am extremely disappointed, since I could not see 99% of the broadcast. On the other hand, I like the iPod update, the iTunes update and the Jaguar update. However, I don't like the idea of a widescreen iMac. To me, it just looks disgusting. On a Powerbook it looks cool. Aside a PowerMac it looks cool. But on an iMac just looks...awful. I realize that Apple cannot bring forth PowerMacs every six months, but from what I have read there was not even a freakin ANNOUNCEMENT about newer PowerMacs coming soon. THAT and the fact that IF the new models have DDR-RAM, the Macs were not released at a big event, for a big product, are what got me startled. I still hold my predictions for the PowerMac speeds/specs for August, assuming they are released then.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:14 PM	#9
TyleRomeo macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York	it was a good show and now i await the August Power Macs __________________ Mac Pro (Early 2008) Dual 2.8GHZ Quad 2GB RAM NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB Dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac G4; 1.91TB; 2GB RAM ATI 9700 Pro 128MB; Airport

Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM	#10
Sayer macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	iDisk EXPIRES?! Great ALL iDisks will close down UNLESS you cough up a bunch of money to Apple. So if you don't pay EVERYTHING on your current iDisk gets dumped in 75 days. Woohoo way to generate revenue Apple. http://homepage.mac.com/pasoftware/idsk-expires.jpg How about buying my nearly worthless stock for $49 a share instead? __________________ Obama Joker = RACIST :: Bush Joker = Political Commentary Obama Bows to world leaders that violate 200+ years of protocol: 2

Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM	#11
gelbin macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	a little flat no upgrade price for jagwire. now that is the worst. i bought g4 533's for my school and osx is not quick on them. they will have to upgrade, and that comes at a price. 17" imac is good, but 2K is above the price for a pmac w/small flatscreen, or close too it. the imacs are pushing the high end (though they too need a speed boost) overall, new software looks promising, though no aac which pisses me off, but hardware is what i was looking for. poop . __________________ _______________________ right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:16 PM	#12
Sun Baked macrumors 603 Join Date: May 2002	Why should they be disappointed, they should have expected that the new Powermac would not show this time round and that Jaguar would full whack payment. Even though everyone was hoping that wouldn't be the case.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:17 PM	#13
3rdpath macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 2nd star on the right and straight till morning	a long road its gonna be tough for apple to change their public persona as mainly a hardware and OS company. all these apps are nice and apple's future is gonna be diverse..so i guess that makes this a good showing. still-i think they're really lacking in the hardware area for professionals. i can't imagine that all of those meetings with the big production houses yielded: 20 gig ipod....

Jul 17, 2002, 12:20 PM	#14
TyleRomeo macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York	ohh no, did anyone realize that iTunes 3 has no AAC support __________________ Mac Pro (Early 2008) Dual 2.8GHZ Quad 2GB RAM NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB Dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac G4; 1.91TB; 2GB RAM ATI 9700 Pro 128MB; Airport

Jul 17, 2002, 12:20 PM	#15
Brent macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2002	The software announcements are exciting, but the paucity of hardware announcements is dissapointing. I was hoping for at least a PowerMac announcement, and maybe some minor revisions to the notebooks. And what the F*** are they thinking charging $129 for OS X.2?!?

Jul 17, 2002, 12:21 PM	#16
TyleRomeo macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York	AAC Support Missing? ohh no, did anyone realize that iTunes 3 has no AAC support __________________ Mac Pro (Early 2008) Dual 2.8GHZ Quad 2GB RAM NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB Dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac G4; 1.91TB; 2GB RAM ATI 9700 Pro 128MB; Airport

Jul 17, 2002, 12:21 PM	#17
ImAlwaysRight macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002	Overall very disappointing All we heard is how we are getting charged for OS X.2 update, you must now pay $100/yr for iTools (which had been free), and no new PowerMacs. The only thing we got was the introduction of a 4th iMac G4 model w/17" screen and GeForce4MX which isn't a whole lot better than the GeForce2MX. It's still on 100MHz bus and no L3 cache. Performance will be virtually identical to iMac G4 800 w/15" introduced 6 months ago. Are we to call this progress? I, for one, am very disappointed with this MacWorld.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:22 PM	#18
digital1 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wisconsin	Overall I think the show was good. But as for the PowerMacs, I will have exercise patience. But, also, I am happy to see that the iMacs are starting to get a little boost. The education part of the store seems to be down, I want to price the new iMac for education. __________________ "Imagination yields creativity" ~Me Visit my site Macbook Black (2008) C2D 2.4 Ghz, 2 GB ram, 250 Gig HD, 16 GB iPhone 3G,Reason 4.0,iLife '09

Jul 17, 2002, 12:23 PM	#19
cyberfunk macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	Bullplop I'm still quite annoyed that there are no new PMacs... As someone said.. the major undertone of this whole keynote was: WE NEED MORE MONEY... the whole damn thing felt like a sales pitch.. felt like they were trying to milk me.. I dont like being milked.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:23 PM	#20
digital1 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wisconsin	correction: Its just slow as heck... __________________ "Imagination yields creativity" ~Me Visit my site Macbook Black (2008) C2D 2.4 Ghz, 2 GB ram, 250 Gig HD, 16 GB iPhone 3G,Reason 4.0,iLife '09

Jul 17, 2002, 12:25 PM	#21
gelbin macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	when are the imacs available?? __________________ _______________________ right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:28 PM	#22
Horne macrumors newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	I must say I am a bit dissapointed with the little amount of hardware updates. Also I don't like companies much who start something free, get everyone onto it, then start charging. I KNOW this is how business works, I am a shareholder in many companies (or was until last week!), but I was feel it is slightly underhand. So many people will have to pay now they are used to it. Don't tell me this wasn't planned all along! Gutted at now new PMs cos I sold my dual 800 last week in hoping for a new 1.4 GHz....But more gutted at myself than Apple. I suppose there are a lot of nice thng to look forward to when I get a new PowerMac with (free?) Jaguar ni August. Horne

Jul 17, 2002, 12:29 PM	#23
sparkleytone macrumors 68020 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC	imacs available two weeks. i have no problem paying for jaguar. i want the dev cd anyways. i am overall happy with this show. i had it in full screen mpeg4 on my mac while in class. that is the ****. now four people in my class want a mac. one of them is a linux head. mpeg4 full screen on a 600MHz processor. he was sold. dont bitch about money. the imac was driopped $100. wtg apple. the 17" is a STEAL at 1999. im stoked. __________________ "The Reality Distiortion Field™ is starting to warp Steve's mind if he thinks for one second that this thing is gonna take off."

Jul 17, 2002, 12:30 PM	#24
discolove macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002	I just sent this to Apple. I'm not that happy at the moment. Dear Mr/Miss, I just read through the FAQ and noticed that you are going to deactivate my @mac.com email unless I pay $49.99 before 30 September. Honestly, I've never had a single complaint about Apple before and, as soon as I've had a chance, I have always recommended your products and services to friends of mine. Because of this my best friend and his girlfriend changed from an @hotmail.com email to a @mac.com email a couple of weeks ago. I feel quite sorry for them since their email accounts now will be deleted. As I mentioned earlier I've never had anything bad to say about Apple but now I do. I feel deeply dissapointed and don't think that I'll ever defend Apple, as I've always done before, again. I suppose that you will receive a lot of complaints like this and just trash my email straight away but if you decide to reply I would prefer not to have a standard reply saying that you are doing it for the customer and that you're improving the service and so on. Best regards, Mikael who used to be a very happy Mac user.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:33 PM	#25
crazylb1 macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Boulder	oy vey Man! you guys are a mess! Its like this every year though! I realy like those new ipods! 5gb for $299, 10gb for $399 and 20gb for $499!!! Solid state scroll wheels on ten and twenty gig models plus accessories included, and on the 10g model its thinner than the other two! I think I'm finally going to join the ipod club. But seriously did you really expect to see powertowers? I wasnt, the software looks great, and .Mac for current itools users is 49 bucks the first year. I think I'll get it, it will be very functional since I'm a college student. I looking forward to jaguar big time! And its 129 new not as an upgrade! chill out!

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