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Old Jul 8, 2004, 05:43 PM   #1
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Apple's EMails ... How?

Hi, I just was wondering how and which program does/may apple use to write those nice E-mails that come about the apple news, music store... etc... any ideas? they look nice and I don't think they can do that with Mail... do you ? Thanks...
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Old Jul 8, 2004, 06:53 PM   #2
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The mail application that comes with OS X
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 01:11 AM   #3
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What?

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Really possible to do such a nice E-mails with just Mail.app?

I thought they used something else... I'll give it a try , I mean I use it but just for text E-mails...
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 01:29 AM   #4
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It's only HTML...

And no, they're not using Mail.app.
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 02:19 AM   #5
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I donít think itís possible to create HTML mails with OS X Mail. This feature is said to be introduced with Tiger Mail, isnít it?
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Hi, I just was wondering how and which program does/may apple use to write those nice E-mails that come about the apple news, music store... etc... any ideas? they look nice and I don't think they can do that with Mail... do you ? Thanks...
anything web page making utility can do it, or you can just use a text editor.
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 04:55 AM   #7
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Hi, I just was wondering how and which program does/may apple use to write those nice E-mails that come about the apple news, music store... etc... any ideas? they look nice and I don't think they can do that with Mail... do you ? Thanks...
Just like the email I sent to the Loop yesterday asking the same - but with no replies. They all must have been stumped.
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anything web page making utility can do it, or you can just use a text editor.
Email, not websites bud.
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Email, not websites bud.
Isnít a HTML mail just like a website?
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 05:28 AM   #10
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Email, not websites bud.
"Pretty" [HTML] emails, such as most junk mail and Apple's emails are just HTML - the same stuff that websites are made of. Mail is simply showing a webpage in effect when displaying the email. These emails can be created using any HTML-creating email program (not OS X Mail.app), HTML or webpage editor (e.g. Dreamweaver or Word) or any text editor (if you can code HTML). The original poster is right.
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 06:14 AM   #11
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Steve Jobs said on the WWDC that Mail.app in Tiger will inclunde html composing. We will just have to wait and see how advanced it will be.
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 06:21 AM   #12
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I tried but... Nothing, Nada, Nix

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"Pretty" [HTML] emails, such as most junk mail and Apple's emails are just HTML - the same stuff that websites are made of. Mail is simply showing a webpage in effect when displaying the email. These emails can be created using any HTML-creating email program (not OS X Mail.app), HTML or webpage editor (e.g. Dreamweaver or Word) or any text editor (if you can code HTML). The original poster is right.
I tried with MS Entourage 2004, no success inserting a single Hyperlink, and when I send a pic it is displayed and announced as an attachment ... by those nice apple e-mails it doesn't happen, what kind of program do they have to create those E-mails? Third-Party software? I'll give Thunderbird a try...
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 08:00 AM   #13
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Hope Tiger to do it better...

I tried with Thunderbird and worked, nice HTML E-mails, but still curious how they do to include a html page without showing the attachments, if you have paid attention, it only shows the page and that's it, nice IMO. Looking forward to Mail.app in Tiger, I will consider thunderbird before 10.4

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Old Jul 9, 2004, 09:58 AM   #14
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You can figure out how they do it yourself: look under view--message--raw source. Basically they are hosting the images on their own server--the images are not attachments. The rest is regular old HTML, with a bit of CSS thrown in. You could create the HTML on any HTML editor, make sure the links are pointing to your server, then paste it into your mailer, and voilŗ, it works.
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A partial solution

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Hi, I just was wondering how and which program does/may apple use to write those nice E-mails that come about the apple news, music store... etc... any ideas? they look nice and I don't think they can do that with Mail... do you ? Thanks...
Apart from the fact that Apple employs a lot of talented designers to churn out their nice looking emails, I have seen (thanks to David) a free bundle add-on for Mail that will at least allow input of existing code.

http://www.nikwest.de/Software/index.html#Weekly

Set it up as per instructions and it will allow option to compose a web-like HTML email by importing existing raw code. You will still need some sort of web editor and some design skills to create the raw HTML. I have not tried it, so if it blows your Mac up don't cuma cryin at my door.

Personally, I don't love getting HTML emails, even nice ones. I prefer a link to a web page that gives me the OPTION of downloading/viewing rich content. I think the beauty of email is in it's original geeky, texty simplicty - and I am a designer.
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 10:30 AM   #16
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You can figure out how they do it yourself: look under view--message--raw source. Basically they are hosting the images on their own server--the images are not attachments. The rest is regular old HTML, with a bit of CSS thrown in. You could create the HTML on any HTML editor, make sure the links are pointing to your server, then paste it into your mailer, and voilŗ, it works.
I tried this a while ago, but view raw source is only available on recieved messages, not when composing. If you paste raw source into your mail composition window it just see it as text. It looks like code, smells like code... but it's not code. I sent a test to myself just to make sure I was not making an idiot of myself, but feel free to set me straight if I'm still missing the bleedin obvious.

BTW The same test using MailPictures (see my other post) worked correctly.

Also, as you pointed out wise one - a trap for young players, make sure you use absolute addresses for the images/links not relative.
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I tried this a while ago, but view raw source is only available on recieved messages, not when composing. If you paste raw source into your mail composition window it just see it as text. It looks like code, smells like code... but it's not code. I sent a test to myself just to make sure I was not making an idiot of myself, but feel free to set me straight if I'm still missing the bleedin obvious.

BTW The same test using MailPictures (see my other post) worked correctly.

Also, as you pointed out wise one - a trap for young players, make sure you use absolute addresses for the images/links not relative.
Wow. You're right. Just tried it myself. I think I tried that a long time ago, figured out it didn't work, then decided I didn't really need to send HTML e-mails anyway
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Old Jul 9, 2004, 10:58 AM   #18
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Thanks and See you monday

Guys, I really tried, about that idea of holding the pics in my own server, of course, clver, I'll try it on the weekend, I'm right now at work, almost on the way to my family , I'll tell you if it worked and how, I can't post anything until next week, maybe sunday evening...

I have Birthday TOMORROW

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Have a nice weekend!
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Good luck-- as said above, Apple employs professionals that create these, and frankly it may be outside of the abilities of an average user. A lot of time, patience, designing, and testing went into those emails, they weren't just typed up and thrown together. For all we know, Apple has created it's own internal software to create emails like this, or it could be a lot of hand tweaking by HTML experts. Anyway, good luck and happy birthday

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Old Sep 9, 2004, 05:45 AM   #20
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HTML web page style e-mails

One way around this problem is to create a HTML web page, upload it to your server as you would any other web page and then use outlook on a PC. Path to include web page is: menu item 'message' sub menu item 'new message using...' sub menu item 'html page' put the url link to the page on the web and press send.

This option is unfortunatly not available on the mac version of outlook (Blame Bill Gates!!), if you don't have access to a PC then use Virtual PC for the Mac.

Hope that helps.
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There are some mail apps that will send out HTML e-mails. Mail.app is not one of them. So, to do what Apple does, created your HTML page that you want to send, then use a program like Direct Mail to send them. Cake.

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One way around this problem is to create a HTML web page, upload it to your server as you would any other web page and then use outlook on a PC. Path to include web page is: menu item 'message' sub menu item 'new message using...' sub menu item 'html page' put the url link to the page on the web and press send.

This option is unfortunatly not available on the mac version of outlook (Blame Bill Gates!!), if you don't have access to a PC then use Virtual PC for the Mac.

Hope that helps.
First that all, I'm really surprised that someone cares about a post from 2 months ago... Thanks... but VPC is not the ideal application for that task, I mean I won't get it just for it ... Tiger will do the job. but until now I will try the other way ...

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There are some mail apps that will send out HTML e-mails. Mail.app is not one of them. So, to do what Apple does, created your HTML page that you want to send, then use a program like Direct Mail to send them. Cake.

But I don't think that apple does it, anyway I will try it... I'm really keen to send those E-mails to some friends and customers
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Old Sep 9, 2004, 01:18 PM   #23
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Thuderbird

I believe Mozilla's Thunderbird has the capability to send HTML mail. Just write the HTML page in whatever program you like, then cut/paste the code into Thuderbird.

I haven't tried this myself, so I'm not positive it will be that simple. But it should be, dammit! Also, I have heard a few complaints about ThB's stability... but I don't personally use it. And I can't stand HTML mail.

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Edit: Ah. I see you've already tried ThB. Good on you. Read the thread, rand!
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I believe Mozilla's Thunderbird has the capability to send HTML mail. Just write the HTML page in whatever program you like, then cut/paste the code into Thuderbird.

I haven't tried this myself, so I'm not positive it will be that simple. But it should be, dammit! Also, I have heard a few complaints about ThB's stability... but I don't personally use it. And I can't stand HTML mail.

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Edit: Ah. I see you've already tried ThB. Good on you. Read the thread, rand!
Yeah, I tried ThB. , actually, I know how to create HTML E-mails, but what I do not understand is why when apple sends an E-mail, the pics doesn't show as attachments, I know they host the pics in their server, something that I already tried , but still ThB. attaches those in the email as single pictures ... that bothers me, because what I do is just a reference to an object in Internet, I personally write text email only but with that feature that pics don't show as attachments, I think HTML-mails pay off ...

I did a test copying the HTML code from an apple E-mail into a Thunderbird E-mail but when I receive it it show 34 attachments... instead of 0 like iTMS newsletters ...
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Hey,

Yeah, I had read that earlier.

Here's perhaps a better way to do it, if you're more of a code junkie.

CodeStore

Make sure to read through part 3, as it talks about simply linking an email directly to a webpage, without even including the body of it in the email. That is probably how Apple does it. That might work, if you've got the patience to do it that way.

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