White supremacists use deception to run ad in a student newspaper

[Gelfin]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...K7O4.DTL&tsp=1

A white supremacist group built a phony innocuous web site and submitted an ad for it to the student newspaper at San Francisco's Lowell High School. Then when the ad was accepted, they replaced the contents of the site with a racist website offering white nationalist music downloads, t-shirts and for a "campaign to inform, awaken and radicalize our White American youth." The email bombastically claiming responsibility, sent to newspapers, is eerily reminiscent of similar statements made by terrorist organizations following bombings.

I keep hoping we've reached the peak of the recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness, and I keep being disappointed. I suspect this is going to get a lot worse.

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Gelfin

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...K7O4.DTL&tsp=1

A white supremacist group built a phony innocuous web site and submitted an ad for it to the student newspaper at San Francisco's Lowell High School. Then when the ad was accepted, they replaced the contents of the site with a racist website offering white nationalist music downloads, t-shirts and for a "campaign to inform, awaken and radicalize our White American youth." The email bombastically claiming responsibility, sent to newspapers, is eerily reminiscent of similar statements made by terrorist organizations following bombings.

I keep hoping we've reached the peak of the recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness, and I keep being disappointed. I suspect this is going to get a lot worse.

Shows the weakness of printed media. A website could quickly get rid of the ad before much damage was done. I haven't personally seen an up rise in white supremacy, more anti-government than anything else.

[Gelfin]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

Shows the weakness of printed media. A website could quickly get rid of the ad before much damage was done. I haven't personally seen an up rise in white supremacy, more anti-government than anything else.

You haven't? They've been showing up at all the same parties.

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Gelfin

You haven't? They've been showing up at all the same parties.

Ive seen a few signs that were in bad taste from media reports, its not like the first time this type of thing has happened though.

Then again I haven't been close enough to one of these parties to fairly judge them. If there was a racist sentiment I surely wouldn't be staying for long.

[Blue Velvet]

An anonymous e-mail containing several misspellings and grammatical errors reportedly from the Web site's authors...

The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

[Full of Win]

The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

[bobber205]

Originally Posted by Full of Win

The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?

[mkrishnan]

Originally Posted by Blue Velvet

The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

Those are the pure, White, Christian, Aryan spellings of the words.

[thegoldenmackid]

Nothing New

[mkrishnan]

Originally Posted by thegoldenmackid

Nothing New

Which basically points to an increasing need for due diligence in cases of ads referring websites -- which is true really for everyone who deals with advertising (and accepts private requests) in the internet age....

[Blue Velvet]

Originally Posted by mkrishnan

Those are the pure, White, Christian, Aryan spellings of the words.

Dictionary.app has some 'xplaining to do, then.

Meanwhile, the tea-partiers are also attracting the dregs:

Information about the rallies appears on the websites of former Klan boss David Duke and the racist National Policy Institute in Augusta, Ga. Posters on Stormfront, the leading white supremacist website, are also urging members to attend. “This is great news!” wrote “ronatvan” on Tuesday. “All Stormfronters should join these huge Tea Parties! Prepare yourselves with big banners to spread our message.”

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/1...ties-tomorrow/

[gilkisson]

Used the web, did they? I'm surprised. Most of those of that ilk still regard fire as a dangerous innovation, and reading as a tool of "da debbil".

Talking to a Klukker is rather like talking to a steaming #2 loaf, you're not surprised when the turdbiscuit doesn't say anything intelligent. The #2 loaf just sits there as well.

[takao]

Originally Posted by Blue Velvet

The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.

their cause sure hasn't been that attractive to the brightest lot since quite a few years ... which we can grateful for

[IntheNet]

Originally Posted by Gelfin

...A white supremacist group... recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness...

Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...

[gilkisson]

Originally Posted by IntheNet

Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...

Perhaps because it is how they self-identify?

From the article, an email sent to the editor from the perpetrators of this scam:

"San Francisco was selected because it has long suffered the ravages of liberal insanity, vile degeneracy and criminal vicitmization of it's citzens by the very 'diverse' populations it seeks to embrace," according to an e-mail sent separately to The Chronicle.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0WsfvfNSP

Who else uses the term "liberal" as an epithet?

[IntheNet]

Originally Posted by gilkisson

Perhaps because it is how they self-identify?

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

Still open question for Gelfin:
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post?

[LethalWolfe]

Originally Posted by gilkisson

Used the web, did they? I'm surprised.

If you think white supremacists using the internet to communicate, broadcast their message, and recruit new members is new you haven't been paying attention. They've been on the net since the mid-90's.


Lethal

[gilkisson]

Originally Posted by IntheNet

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

You are being disingenuous. The topic was "ultra-right-wing", not "Republican". Not all right-wingers are Nazis, just as not all on the left are Communists. Right?

But I too really look forward to Gelfin's response.

[gilkisson]

Originally Posted by LethalWolfe

If you think white supremacists using the internet to communicate, broadcast their message, and recruit new members is new you haven't been paying attention. They've been on the net since the mid-90's.


Lethal

You are correct. I have not been paying them much attention at all. Although I do recall that David Duke could tie his shoes unassisted, and work a light switch two out of three times.

For the most part, racism and general ignorance march in lockstep. It does not take a vast savvy mind to create a web site, and even less to read the tripe posited there.

[takao]

Originally Posted by IntheNet

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

just because you are reversing the roles doesn't make it right... it's not the "right wing considering themselves members of the white supremacist" it's the "white supremacists considering themselves right wing" direction

you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

also the fact that Solidarity, one of the core principles of the left wing, on principle opposes "supremacy" thoughts should give you the direction in which the scale tips

[gilkisson]

Originally Posted by takao

you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

Corresponding English phrase would be, "putting the cart before the horse".

And you are correct. Das ist richtig.

[IntheNet]

Originally Posted by takao

just because you are reversing the roles doesn't make it right... it's not the "right wing considering themselves members of the white supremacist" it's the "white supremacists considering themselves right wing" direction

Here in this thread (within this forum), in posts #2 and #7, a real "racist" group is cited, not typically associated with what is alleged the "right wing" yet racist just the same.

Originally Posted by takao

you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

I take exception to linking up "white supremacist" groups with "right wing" groups, being done, presumably, to tar the conservatives or republicans within right wing politics. You are aware, I assume, that the Senior Democrat from West Virginia is hardly associated with right wing groups but was in fact a former supremacist?

Originally Posted by takao

also the fact that Solidarity, one of the core principles of the left wing, on principle opposes "supremacy" thoughts should give you the direction in which the scale tips

Oh? Where were your "Solidarity" principles voiced from the Democrats after pro-Democrat "supremacy" groups showed up with billy clubs in Philadelphia last year to deny undesirable Republican voter access to polls?

[macfan881]

Originally Posted by Full of Win

The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.

Originally Posted by bobber205

Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?

hmmm I'm guessing he's ok with this since he hasn't come back to reply yet

Full of Faill i sence.

[abijnk]

Originally Posted by IntheNet

I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

Still open question for Gelfin:
Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post?

First, I don't think you understand what it means to self identify. You don't self identify with someone, as you put it. The phrase "self identify" means to identify ones self as something. For example, I self-identify as a liberal. Another way of saying this would be to say that I am a liberal.

Second, as others have pointed out, Gelfin didn't say the "right wing" self-identifies as "white supremacists," he said exactly the opposite. White supremacists do, and always have, held conservative views and therefore are right wing. Gelfin used the phrase "ultra-right wing" to point out the fact the not all of those on the right are white supremacists, but that there are a lot of crazies over there on the fringe.

[takao]

Originally Posted by IntheNet

Here in this thread (within this forum), in posts #2 and #7, a real "racist" group is cited, not typically associated with what is alleged the "right wing" yet racist just the same.

"racist" ... perhaps
"black supremacy" ... up for debate .. especially with them getting enough criticism from other left black organisations because of their ideas

Originally Posted by IntheNet

Oh? Where were your "Solidarity" principles voiced from the Democrats after pro-Democrat "supremacy" groups showed up with billy clubs in Philadelphia last year to deny undesirable Republican voter access to polls?

groups ? clubs ? there was 1 incident with 3 guys of which _1_ had a stick which according to the internet were escorted/sent away by the police

compared to what happend 70-80 years ago around here that's not really worth mentioning nor does it in any way make it even with the amount of far right wing racism and white supremacy blurps .... just look at the list of parties considered "Far right" right today in europe