Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Archive > Archives of Old Posts > MacBytes.com News Discussion

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Nov 17, 2009, 09:38 PM   #1
MacBytes
macrumors bot
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
How Microsoft Blew It With Windows Mobile




Category: Opinion/Interviews
Link: How Microsoft Blew It With Windows Mobile
Description:: none

Posted on MacBytes.com
Approved by Mudbug
MacBytes is offline   0
Old Nov 17, 2009, 11:48 PM   #2
DMann
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 10023
With Windows Mobile’s market share plummeting to 7.9 percent, while Apple’s global mobile market share grew to 17.1 percent, one can only wonder what Steve Ballmer meant when he said:

"... There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance."

Thumb resize.
The Prophet of the 21st Century
DMann is offline   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 12:19 AM   #3
SPUY767
macrumors 68000
 
SPUY767's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: GA
MS blew it by assuming that desktop ubiquity would lead to mobile ubiquity. MS assumed that users would just use windows mobile because they used it on the desktop. Microsoft is often a corporation devoid of true innovation. Most microsoft products that aren't one-offs have been designed by committee snoozefests. Apple came to market with innovation at the exact moment that the consumer wanted it. Everyone else was suddenly 2 or more years behind and playing catch up.
__________________
Yo' mama's so STUPID, she went to Bangkok to get a TIE Fighter.
SPUY767 is offline   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 09:59 AM   #4
jayducharme
macrumors 68020
 
jayducharme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: The thick of it
A related article about Android points out many of the same problems:

Quote:
“Instead of working on updates to our apps, we find we are trying to make each app work for multiple versions of the OS and different hardware capabilities,” says Chris Fagan, co-founder at Froogloid, an Android focused application development company. “We are not complaining about all the growth, but if you are a small or a new Android developer coming in and trying to learn I could see your head exploding. It would be overwhelming,” he says.
And I love this quote:

Quote:
“Microsoft believes the Windows brand is very strong, and consumers associate the Windows brand with enabling them to do what they need to do in their digital lives, at least on the PC,” Rubin said
Really? So how else are they going to manage their "digital lives" on a PC? With Linux, perhaps?

Apple may tightly control their products, but the aim is to create a flawless user experience. That's infinitely more difficult when there's no control over the hardware.
jayducharme is offline   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 11:30 AM   #5
BongoBanger
macrumors 68000
 
BongoBanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMann View Post
With Windows Mobile’s market share plummeting to 7.9 percent, while Apple’s global mobile market share grew to 17.1 percent, one can only wonder what Steve Ballmer meant when he said:

"... There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance."
Probably that Apple would get 2-3% of the global cellphone market, not smartphones, which is actually what he said. Mind you, it's the most profitable 2-3%.

He's still spot on though and this is apparent if you actually read the whole quote.
__________________
Unibody Macbook 2.0 Ghz
Quad Core Mesh 2.4Ghz
Nokia 5800
BongoBanger is offline   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 03:00 PM   #6
Liquorpuki
macrumors 68020
 
Liquorpuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: City of Angels
Quote:
Originally Posted by BongoBanger View Post
Probably that Apple would get 2-3% of the global cellphone market, not smartphones, which is actually what he said. Mind you, it's the most profitable 2-3%.

He's still spot on though and this is apparent if you actually read the whole quote.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance," said Ballmer. "It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."

You can't really tell which market he's referring to at all. But as far as phones are concerned, Windows Mobile is ONLY installed in smartphones, so when he compares Apple's 2-3% to Microsoft's 60-80%, it makes sense to think he's talking about the smartphone market
__________________
Ableton 9 on a Surface Pro 3, APC40, Audiobox, Yamaha KX8, Roland V-Drums HD1 + Octapad, K-Pro, Rode NT1A, MPC1000, EWI, 1200-MK5, 06-Pro
Liquorpuki is offline   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 07:00 PM   #7
jav6454
macrumors G5
 
jav6454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
Microsoft blew it long ago.... not just now...
__________________
Al MacBook 2.4GHz Late '08 | 5 S⃣ | Macross Click Me
jav6454 is online now   0
Old Nov 18, 2009, 07:12 PM   #8
nastebu
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquorpuki View Post
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance," said Ballmer.
Probably the key phrase is "significant market share." I don't think anyone could claim that Apple doesn't have "significant market share." The number compared to the overall handset market is small, but the impact that the iPhone has had on the market is certainly "significant."
nastebu is offline   0
Old Nov 19, 2009, 04:06 AM   #9
BongoBanger
macrumors 68000
 
BongoBanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquorpuki View Post
You can't really tell which market he's referring to at all.
"But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold."

Actually you can as that number refers to the overall cellphone market. Of course he's still delusional about WinMo but he's not actually wrong about the iPhone's market share.
__________________
Unibody Macbook 2.0 Ghz
Quad Core Mesh 2.4Ghz
Nokia 5800
BongoBanger is offline   0
Old Nov 19, 2009, 11:33 PM   #10
Liquorpuki
macrumors 68020
 
Liquorpuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: City of Angels
Quote:
Originally Posted by BongoBanger View Post
"But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold."

Actually you can as that number refers to the overall cellphone market. Of course he's still delusional about WinMo but he's not actually wrong about the iPhone's market share.
Then he's not only delusional but he's confused too. Jobs predicted the iPhone would capture 1% global marketshare. I don't get why Ballmer, in his hatred for the iPhone, would triple that number.
__________________
Ableton 9 on a Surface Pro 3, APC40, Audiobox, Yamaha KX8, Roland V-Drums HD1 + Octapad, K-Pro, Rode NT1A, MPC1000, EWI, 1200-MK5, 06-Pro
Liquorpuki is offline   0
Old Nov 20, 2009, 01:53 AM   #11
DMann
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 10023
Quote:
Originally Posted by BongoBanger View Post
Probably that Apple would get 2-3% of the global cellphone market, not smartphones, which is actually what he said. Mind you, it's the most profitable 2-3%.

He's still [momentarily] spot on though and this is apparent if you actually read the whole quote.
Are you, then, suggesting that the attainment of 2-3% of global market share, within a two year period, is not significant?

Why don't we, then, take a closer look at Worldwide Smartphone Sales, from 2007-2008:

Thumb resize.

Thumb resize.

Surely, the Smartphone Market is one which MS has a significant interest in. Do you feel that iPhone's 8.2% sales in 2008 vs. WinMo's 11.8% ought to be dismissed as insignificant as well?

It would be of no surprise if Steve Ballmer were to further contend that the 66.61% of iPhone's total Smartphone share on the Web is merely a "rounding error," "a blip on the radar screen,'" especially when compared to WinMo's 6.91%.



I wonder what his take on this would be?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquorpuki View Post
You can't really tell which market he's referring to at all. But as far as phones are concerned, Windows Mobile is ONLY installed in smartphones, so when he compares Apple's 2-3% to Microsoft's 60-80%, it makes sense to think he's talking about the smartphone market
You are quite right, this is a prime example of typical "Ballmer Speak," mixing market sectors to serve his purpose.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nastebu View Post
Probably the key phrase is "significant market share." I don't think anyone could claim that Apple doesn't have "significant market share." The number compared to the overall handset market is small, but the impact that the iPhone has had on the market is certainly "significant."
This is the whole point. Within the span of two years, the momentum of iPhone sales has been quite significant.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquorpuki View Post
Then he's not only delusional but he's confused too. Jobs predicted the iPhone would capture 1% global marketshare. I don't get why Ballmer, in his hatred for the iPhone, would triple that number.
Yes, Ballmer's delusions are consistently self-serving - this is one thing he tends to do quite well.
DMann is offline   0


 
MacRumors Forums > Archive > Archives of Old Posts > MacBytes.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Microsoft Sculpt Mobile Mouse Customization? alexiabelle Mac Peripherals 0 May 22, 2014 06:47 AM
Apple blew it - Xbox One first out bearcatrp Apple TV and Home Theater 61 May 28, 2013 02:25 PM
Microsoft Windows Chief Steven Sinofsky Out Following Windows 8 and Surface Launches MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 276 Nov 18, 2012 09:03 PM
Co Workers iPhone 4 blew up today... TexasRangerFan iPhone 57 Oct 5, 2012 05:48 PM
Well this really blew up in our face. fox10078 Politics, Religion, Social Issues 338 Sep 28, 2012 03:03 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:33 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC