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Bought new MBP, advice needed on power/battery usage

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Agnel

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Hey folks,

Just got the 13" base model yesterday and it suites my needs very well. I did read about the battery cycles and calibrating the battery, but I still didn't get a clear answer as to when to charge it.

Usage:
I'll be using this MBP at home most of the time say 8 to 10 hours a day, and might carry it to college occasionally. So these are my questions.

1. Should I keep the power adapter plugged in even if it is fully charged?
2. Or should I charge it fully, then let it completely drain, then charge it again?
3. Will keeping it connected to power all the time save the battery life(cycles)?

Thanks in advance.
I never really bothered about the battery life much, but on MBP I thought I'll do what is right. :)
 
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vong

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1. no apple advises that you do not leave it plugged in while it is fully charged.
2. do that, let it drain then recharge it.
3. not sure
 
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rouse2

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Oct 6, 2008
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vong said:
1. no apple advises that you do not leave it plugged in while it is fully charged.
2. do that, let it drain then recharge it.
3. not sure
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I don't see anything about leaving the laptop plugged in when not in use on the page that waloshin references (though I may be missing it). Furthermore, in my experience Macbook Pro's are horrible at preserving battery life when asleep. A thread in MacRumors reported an average of about 2% drain per hour and that roughly matches my current Macbook Pro. Leave it unplugged for 2 days and its basically dead. The drain on my 6 year old dell over the same 2 days would be negligible.

Also, my understanding is that the Mac batteries are very smart and that they drain specific cells independently so full discharge and recharge will happen under typical usage without having to worry about really running the system to the death point.
 
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archdelux

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Oct 12, 2008
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vong said:
1. no apple advises that you do not leave it plugged in while it is fully charged.
2. do that, let it drain then recharge it.
3. not sure
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Why is that? What happens to the battery if it is left plugged in for prolonged periods of time on a full charge?

Also - anyone know the answer to the OPs 3rd Q?
 
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vong

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Jan 31, 2010
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Standard Maintenance
For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time. An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her MacBook Pro on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing. If on the other hand, you use a desktop computer at work, and save a notebook for infrequent travel, Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month. Need a reminder? Add an event to your desktop’s iCal.
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http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html

i read it in the forums somewhere, forgot what happens though. i just skimmed through it.
 
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Agnel

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archdelux said:
Why is that? What happens to the battery if it is left plugged in for prolonged periods of time on a full charge?

Also - anyone know the answer to the OPs 3rd Q?
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Exactly, that's my question.
I've been using my NEW MBP for the past 4-5 hours on battery after charging it fully through the night. It never showed 9hrs of battery even once.

It kept varying between 4 - 5 hours... initially, now it is around 2 hours. :confused:
 
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Pax

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Agnel said:
1. Should I keep the power adapter plugged in even if it is fully charged?
2. Or should I charge it fully, then let it completely drain, then charge it again?
3. Will keeping it connected to power all the time save the battery life(cycles)?
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1. Up to you. The Mac disconnects the battery from the charger when it is fully charged. Then it "floats" without any voltage being applied to it. So there is no practical difference from a battery point of view between leaving the Mac plugged into the charger and unplugging it. Apple does not specifically recommend unplugging it. Read the page carefully. IIRC it says if you leave it plugged in a lot, unplug it once a month and calibrate the battery.

2. not recommended, see above. Nothing on the Apple page recommends this more than once a month for calibration

3. Yes. But it in theory it might slightly shorten the battery's life through other mechanisms

Note:- calibration is nothing to do with battery longevity. IIRC the Apple battery page says that calibration is to make the on screen displays more accurate; and to increase the "efficiency" of your battery. It doesn't define efficiency, but it is probably power out / power in ie squeezing more charge in. The Apple battery page does not mention longevity, or lifespan, or anything like that.

In short:- Just use your Mac. The battery will take care of itself. There are various voodoo things which in principle might slightly "improve" battery longevity, but (a) they're very complicated and (b) there is no clear evidence that they will materially improve longevity. They also might decrease longevity.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com has some good info on charging & discharging Li-ion batteries. An interesting read.

My Macbook has been plugged into its charger 22-24 hours a day for 3.5 years. It has 350+ cycles on it and is still at 90+ %. I have never calibrated it. It still runs the Macbook for about 3 hours, close to what it did from new. Just use it.
 
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Puqq

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Oct 18, 2009
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vong said:
1. no apple advises that you do not leave it plugged in while it is fully charged.
2. do that, let it drain then recharge it.
3. not sure
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.

You have to unplug the battery time after time and let it fully discharge. However, you don't have to do that every day (monthly maybe). The computers are protected from overcharge issue. The drivers basically slow down the charging process after certain checkpoints.
 
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Fisketryne

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Apr 14, 2010
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Puqq said:
Sorry, but this is incorrect.

You have to unplug the battery time after time and let it fully discharge. However, you don't have to do that every day (monthly maybe). The computers are protected from overcharge issue. The drivers basically slow down the charging process after certain checkpoints.
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Are anyone taking statements like this for fact? How about a link/source? Especially when every other poster seems to say different things.
 
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Agnel

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Apr 13, 2010
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I'm getting nearly 7-8 hours of battery on the 13 inch MBP for casual browsing and chatting + reading a pdf. The power details in the system profiler also helps.

Thanks for the replies guys!
 
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snaky69

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Just use the thing and stop worrying about it. My pre-unibody MBP is going on 3 years old and the battery still lasts me around 3 hours, it's plugged in all the time when I'm at home and I bring it nearly daily at school.
 
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mark28

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Jan 29, 2010
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Agnel said:
I'm getting nearly 7-8 hours of battery on the 13 inch MBP for casual browsing and chatting + reading a pdf. The power details in the system profiler also helps.

Thanks for the replies guys!
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This is without turning down the brightness and switching off blue tooth and whatever most people do to get high battery life?
 
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Agnel

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mark28 said:
This is without turning down the brightness and switching off blue tooth and whatever most people do to get high battery life?
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Turned off Bluetooth, no keyboard lights for 5 hours(was on for first 3 hours), no DVDs, no YT videos, just normal browsing... and brightness was at 50-60%.
 
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Agnel

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Apr 13, 2010
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Pax said:
1. Up to you. The Mac disconnects the battery from the charger when it is fully charged. Then it "floats" without any voltage being applied to it. So there is no practical difference from a battery point of view between leaving the Mac plugged into the charger and unplugging it. Apple does not specifically recommend unplugging it. Read the page carefully. IIRC it says if you leave it plugged in a lot, unplug it once a month and calibrate the battery.

2. not recommended, see above. Nothing on the Apple page recommends this more than once a month for calibration

3. Yes. But it in theory it might slightly shorten the battery's life through other mechanisms

Note:- calibration is nothing to do with battery longevity. IIRC the Apple battery page says that calibration is to make the on screen displays more accurate; and to increase the "efficiency" of your battery. It doesn't define efficiency, but it is probably power out / power in ie squeezing more charge in. The Apple battery page does not mention longevity, or lifespan, or anything like that.

In short:- Just use your Mac. The battery will take care of itself. There are various voodoo things which in principle might slightly "improve" battery longevity, but (a) they're very complicated and (b) there is no clear evidence that they will materially improve longevity. They also might decrease longevity.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com has some good info on charging & discharging Li-ion batteries. An interesting read.

My Macbook has been plugged into its charger 22-24 hours a day for 3.5 years. It has 350+ cycles on it and is still at 90+ %. I have never calibrated it. It still runs the Macbook for about 3 hours, close to what it did from new. Just use it.
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Pax, Thank you so much.

I tried running it on charger... the charge capacity hasn't changed much, but running from battery reduces the full charge capacity. I guess.. I will try to drain it out once a week/month.
 
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Pax

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Fisketryne said:
Are anyone taking statements like this for fact? How about a link/source? Especially when every other poster seems to say different things.
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http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
"No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety. Instead, a brief topping charge is provided to compensate for the small self-discharge the battery and its protective circuit consume. Depending on the battery, a topping charge may be repeated once every 20 days. Typically, the charge kicks in when the open terminal voltage drops to 4.05V/cell and turns off at a high 4.20V/cell. "

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-21.htm
Li-ion "Avoid full cycle because of wear. 80% depth-of-discharge recommended. Re- charge more often. Avoid full discharge. Low voltage may cut off safety circuit". "Loses capacity due to aging whether used or not."

http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
"If on the other hand, you use a desktop computer at work, and save a notebook for infrequent travel, Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month".

Oh, and just watch your Mac charging using System Profiler > Power. Its charge current behaves exactly as described in the Battery University article. After 5 hours or so charging stops and the battery floats. If you leave it floating on the charger for 24 hours you'll see the battery voltage drop a tiny amount. Exactly as described. I haven't had the patience to wait 500 hours to see if the topping charge is applied, but I'll bet it does.
 
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