|Aug 7, 2002, 03:33 PM||#4|
i can possibly see him being willie stargell like or cal ripken like and playing until he is 41 or 42 but that's it
i see him getting into the high 600s (660s-690s) before he retires or loses his home run hitting ability
if he hit 700, i would be amazed and happy for him...but 755? no way in this lifetime
hank aaron was a one of a kind phenomenon that will not be repeated any time soon...ken griffey jr. and sammy sosa are possibilities in my book but aaron put the bar up very high
if bonds somehow retires with most home runs (most coveted us sports record) in one season and most home runs ever, the press will deem him the greatest ball player ever
i give that title to ty cobb or ted williams but if ichiro has another five seasons like he did last season...super highly unlikely here...and then retires, he will be on that short list
and if ichiro retires then and somehow has several al batting titles and retires from american baseball with an over .400 average, then he will be the greatest ever...he did get best rookie of the year (and not being super young) and got the al batting title with a lot of hits and not a bad average to boot along with his great fielding skills (and his team racked up a lot of wins)
any player who can repeat that long term (for five or more years) is the greatest of their generation and perhaps of all time
williams and cobb did not collect lots of world series titles like some of the yankees, but they ended up individually the best baseball players of all time...cobb is a great movie, but what an ******* he was if tommy lee jones' depiction of him was even half true...yikes
|Aug 7, 2002, 04:22 PM||#5|
if bonds plays til he's 41 or 42 like you said he might. without huge injuries... then i think it's likely he'll do it. if he's 38. and probably has another 15+ homers in him in this season (i'm guessing that's a low estimate)... then he just needs about 45/year to do it. now, don't get me wrong, that's not easy. but this is assuming he holds on to something close to current form. not too likely.
also, no way ichiro will retire with 400 plus b.a. he probably won't even top 400 in a single year..
if he did, there'd be something to talk about for sure.
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|Aug 7, 2002, 04:50 PM||#6|
he had a late start, so he would have to do that more than once, win another couple of titles, and perhaps finish above ty cobb's .367 lifetime to be called the greatest ever
hey, if he gets .400 once and gets one more batting title, never having even started his career in us, he makes my list
there is a huge myth around ichiro as this strange thing of nature in the press, but he will come back down to earth off his high, and if he can fall, and pick himself up, and fall, and rise again, and do those above mentioned things, then he will be great long term as well as putting together a great season last year
we will see though i would like to see that many games won by my giants...he he
barry at 600+ with a giants uniform on will do wonders for sf's morale
|Aug 7, 2002, 04:57 PM||#7|
The Giants are doing well, but damn Arizona is just too tough.
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|Aug 8, 2002, 01:17 AM||#9|
i like the movement of football more, but nothing reaches the excitement when barry was going for #71
what in football matches that and makes the whole stadium light up in flashbulbs? the single regular season home run record is the biggest american record in sports
the 100 meter is also up there as is having the most olympic gold medals or most super bowl wins, but nothing matches the instant recognition and gratification of watching a baseball player do one up on the single season home run record
one day ken griffey jr. or sammy sosa may hit #74, but if it's not them, i can't imagine who it will be...it may be a very long wait
and the thing about steroids? bah humbug...gives you strength, running speed, swimming speed, and aggression but does not improve hand to eye contact and bat finesse...golfers would then be using them
it's barry's talent which makes him do what he does...many weaker batters let the ball fly over the fence, too... but barry's eye for the ball and timing is his gift
now if barry was a bodybuilder or weight lifter, i would not be happy if he used steroids...it would be unfair
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