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Consequences of Supreme Court not hearing cases... Charles Dean Hood
http://www.slate.com/id/2251663/
Slate talks about this case, which was rejected for the SC docket... Quote:
The Slate article also brings up the good point. If these kinds of legitimate legal issues are scuttlebutted because the SC decides not to hear them, admittedly for a variety of reasons ranging from the lack of a clear legal issue to simply lacking time on their docket, then justice is just not being done. Expanding the supreme court doesn't seem like a solution to me; I'm not sure what the right solution is. But to just say, meh, we're not going to talk about it, is not okay.
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Wow- it just gets crazier, doesn't it? Just when you think you've heard it all.
And why does this stuff always seem to happen in Texas?
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I understand it's a very busy court, but it's called upon to make all sorts of life-and-death judgments. Maybe we need younger judges with more stamina for work.
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Well providing he is on death row in the state of Texas he already got one appeal and re-trail. In Texas if you are sentience to death it is an automatic appeal the first time. They get a new judge and jury.
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I actually don't completely understand this part. I understand that he had an appeal that was related to DNA evidence and forensics, and this was processed and denied, but that is not the same thing as a re-trial, and at that time he and his defense team also did not know about the relationship between the judge and the prosecutor. I cannot find anything in any searches I've done that suggest that he's had a retrial.
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The guy murdered two people, his appeal was denied (DNA evidence was tride and true) out to the gallows.
Charge the judge to the full extent of the law.
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Is there any extent to which the law allows the judge to be charged? I thought they had fairly wide-ranging immunity from being charged for this kind of misconduct....
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Why would you think that? Clearly, if he was having an affair with the prosecutor then it is a conflict of interest for him to be serving as the judge for this particular trial.
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Disbarment is a possibility that should be used IMO.
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Yeah, there is that. I guess, what I'm saying, is that the penalty should be much, much harsher. I don't approve of Texas's death penalty, but a judge who does something like this would be an appropriate example of a place to levy a capital punishment, in my mind.
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As for the one-sentence opinion that someone mentioned, nothing to that really. That's what appellate courts do all the time. It's their way of saying that the lower ruling stands, and a legal opinion won't add to this or future dialogues. Looking at it broadly, it appears to be an issue of timeliness of appeal. The idea of "staying" or lengthening an appeal due to later-discovered evidence is - right or wrong - generally frowned upon. Here, it was not actual evidence either, but a late discovery of a possible conflict of interest. I doubt there are any stays on the books for that kind of thing. Unfortunate but likely true. One last thought - again, without having read up on the situation - I assume he was actually convicted by a jury, and not the judge. Absent any clear instances where the prosecutor curried favorable, substantial rulings (such as introduction/exclusion of significant evidence) because of the relationship, the conflict probably did not impact the actual trial/conviction. Just some thoughts. |
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It really shouldn't matter. Everyone deserves a fair trial, and it's hard to say that this guy got a fair trial when the judge and the prosecutor were going at it on the down-low. If the evidence is that solid, what's the problem with giving it another go without the taint of a love affair hanging over the sentence?
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And again, the only thing more cowardly than killing a defenseless human being is cheerleading a defenseless human being's death.
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This is Texas, they put the j in justice.
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The right to a fair trial is guranteed in the constitution...I think you believe in the constitution.
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Then make the judge and prosecutor pay for the costs of the new trial. Seems only fair, since their actions caused this problem. A little personal responsibility would be nice now and then, no?
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Theres no reason for another trial, the jury made the decision that he was guilty, not the judge. The DNA evidence was re-examined for an appeal. If you want a judge to re-examine whether the case was worthy of death I don't see too much of a problem, but its likely if he only killed two people that he did it rather maliciously to get the death penalty.
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Even if it didn't alter the outcome in this case, it will be cited as precedent the next time this happens, and if the precedent is that there is no recourse to another trial, that's what will likely continue to be the outcome.
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And well they might. They certainly have a surplus of them in juvenile jackass judges.
"Justice" doesn't just mean beating up bad guys. It means requiring the state to prove its case immaculately. Letting the state get sloppy just because you're convinced a particular defendant doesn't deserve a fair trial jeopardizes everybody.
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The judge though, committed no crime, so there is nothing to charge him with. I'm not sure what the State Bar Ass. could or would do. The judge could be adamant in his ability to be impartial and the Bar could agree with him. I remember Scalia was asked to recuse himself a few years back after spending a weekend vacation with Cheney (I forgot the case but it involved Cheney) and he just laughed. Of course it's not the same thing as Scalia ***** Cheney, lol. |
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