New PowerMacs Released

arn · Aug 13, 2002, 08:43 AM

Apple Store has the new PowerMacs released:

Dual 867/133Mhz bus/256MB PC2100 DDR/60GB/Combo/GeForce4MX - $1699
Dual 1GHz/167Mhz bus/256MB PC2700 DDR/80GB/SuperDrive/ATI Radeon 9000 - $2499
Dual 1.25GHz/167Mhz bus/256MB PC2700 DDR/120GB/SuperDrive/ATI Radeon 9000 - $3299.

Over Achiever · Aug 13, 2002, 08:48 AM

Ya'll got what was expected. So...is the 25% speed increase, DDR ram, bigger hard drive, and new Radeon graphics good enough? I'm starting a poll in the Hardware Rumors forum.

dhdave · Aug 13, 2002, 08:48 AM

Enclosure looks exactly like the spy shots. I love that they went dual processor accross the entire line.

dh

fallt · Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM

Dear All,

So, it's official, dual processors across the board... I wonder will this satisfy the hunger for speed. The ultimate certainly looks like a beast - 2GB of PC2700 DDR SDRAM. Not only does it have a SuperDrive, but a Combo Drive too.

Best,

Chris

CTYankee · Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM

I'll be buying something, but frankly don't like the options. I may just get a refurm D1ghz and sell that in January if any REAL improvements are out there. I'll have to wait and see how the new 166 bus compares vs the old dual 1ghz bus. I won't buy anything until I get Final Cut rendering benchmark results in front of me.

Edge100 · Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM

Unreal.

C'mon Apple, how on Earth do you expect to be able to sell ANY of these new machines (except the low end, which seems to be an excellent deal).

they might be faster (significantly so) than the machines they replace, thanks to DDR SDRAM, but the FSB (to my eyes) is still not DDR. They simply dont have the power to justify the $3000 price tag, given the imminent release of Jaguar and it supposed power boosts.

Innovate, Apple! Innovate!

As has been said before, Save Us IBM!

blogo · Aug 13, 2002, 08:50 AM

Also the macs on the front page are now running OS 10.2, and the emac got a superdrive

woodsey · Aug 13, 2002, 08:50 AM

the low end modle looks nice, in terms of power per dollar.

just ordered mine at the apple store

wonder when the www.apple.com/powermac page will be up?

Over Achiever · Aug 13, 2002, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Over Achiever
Ya'll got what was expected. So...is the 25% speed increase, DDR ram, bigger hard drive, and new Radeon graphics good enough? I'm starting a poll in the Hardware Rumors forum.

Arrgh. Can't figure out how to start a poll. Anyone want to start one for me?

arn · Aug 13, 2002, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Over Achiever

Arrgh. Can't figure out how to start a poll. Anyone want to start one for me?

polls temporarily disabled.

arn

dnte42 · Aug 13, 2002, 08:53 AM

Funny that Apple doesn't yet seem to have a front page advertising the new machines. But, in my opinion, there are many more attractive things that could be put there.

Beej · Aug 13, 2002, 08:55 AM

Yum! Now I want apple.com/powermac to be updated so I can see what these babies are packin' under the hood

MikeH · Aug 13, 2002, 08:55 AM

Hmm. Not sure about the looks. The panel looks a bit tacked on.

And why has the base model got a lower bus speed? Seems a bit pointless why not just make all with the same mobo?

Not convinced just yet. Maybe when I see full specs...

JEdiBeavis · Aug 13, 2002, 08:57 AM

Entry level eMac now has Combo Drive.

Entry level iMac has only CD-RW.

Mistake?

TheT · Aug 13, 2002, 08:57 AM

...now I get a 'Forbidden' screen when I wanna go to the Store... and the /powermac page is still not up...
But now, nobody should complain about speed anymore, this is certainly more than enough in GHz... but those price tags :/
BTW: Am I the only that thinks those new cases are UGLY? The eMac is one ugly mac, and now this... come on, where is that great Apple design?

gropo · Aug 13, 2002, 08:58 AM

As of 8:58 AM EST the www.apple.com/powermac page is still outdated :P I know some sysadmin in Cupertino is laughing his/her ass off monitoring the volume of requests for that index

{edit.. and then it was promptly updated..

}

cyberfunk · Aug 13, 2002, 08:58 AM

Allright, this is what I've been wanting to know, and I STILL cant figure it out, can someone confirm, with evidence ?

Is the DDR on this machine a Hack a La Xserve, or is it "FULL" DDR ?

Thanks

Beej · Aug 13, 2002, 08:59 AM

There's stuff up at apple.com/pr now

blogo · Aug 13, 2002, 09:00 AM

PowerMac on front page!

TheT · Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM

Now everything is up!
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
Enjoy!

gopher · Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...3.1.1.0?116,80

There you go!

soonbaek · Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM

Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4

Shipping in 6-8 weeks

Beej · Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM

Ahh, and apple.com/powermac is updated

MacArtist · Aug 13, 2002, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edge100
Unreal.

C'mon Apple, how on Earth do you expect to be able to sell ANY of these new machines (except the low end, which seems to be an excellent deal).

they might be faster (significantly so) than the machines they replace, thanks to DDR SDRAM, but the FSB (to my eyes) is still not DDR. They simply dont have the power to justify the $3000 price tag, given the imminent release of Jaguar and it supposed power boosts.

Innovate, Apple! Innovate!

As has been said before, Save Us IBM!

Just to let you know, the d1GHz and d1.25GHz now have the fastest true system bus at 167MHz. The XPs and P4 are at 133, XPs have 133x2 DDR and the P4 are at 133x4 RDRAM. If the new G4 is a true DDR implementation, unlike the Xserve hack, it'll be awsome.

barkmonster · 09:10 AM

They're still slightly overcharing in the UK but I've been able to click on any of the models and check out the configure to order options.

The second optical drive bay can contain a DVD/CDRW for an extra £200 (must be typo).

The first one has either a DVD/CDRW or DVD-R/CDRW as before.

The Radeon 9000 is an £80 BTO option.

ALL graphics cards now have DVI/ADC connectors so you can run dual LCDs on any model now without having to burn hundreds on the GeForce4 Ti.

They have a 1Mb L3 cache on not only the entry level but the dual Ghz model too, this could mean the high end model is not only 25% faster than the mid range but with the larger cache it will scream in comparison.

I do wonder if having a smaller L3 would make much difference on the low end and mid range though.

I just hope I can afford one of these as an end of life deal sometime next year when I've finally got the money together. The highend model looks pretty good to me.

Aug 13, 2002, 08:43 AM	#1
arn macrumors god Join Date: Apr 2001	New PowerMacs Released Apple Store has the new PowerMacs released: Dual 867/133Mhz bus/256MB PC2100 DDR/60GB/Combo/GeForce4MX - $1699 Dual 1GHz/167Mhz bus/256MB PC2700 DDR/80GB/SuperDrive/ATI Radeon 9000 - $2499 Dual 1.25GHz/167Mhz bus/256MB PC2700 DDR/120GB/SuperDrive/ATI Radeon 9000 - $3299.

Aug 13, 2002, 08:48 AM	#2
Over Achiever macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toledo, OH, formerly Twin Cities, MN	Predictable Ya'll got what was expected. So...is the 25% speed increase, DDR ram, bigger hard drive, and new Radeon graphics good enough? I'm starting a poll in the Hardware Rumors forum. __________________ "Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." Sigma DP1 • 2 GHz Blackbook with 20" Dell LCD • Fujifilm S6000fd

Aug 13, 2002, 08:48 AM	#3
dhdave macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ	Look nice Enclosure looks exactly like the spy shots. I love that they went dual processor accross the entire line. dh

Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM	#4
fallt macrumors member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Ireland	Dual processors across the board... Dear All, So, it's official, dual processors across the board... I wonder will this satisfy the hunger for speed. The ultimate certainly looks like a beast - 2GB of PC2700 DDR SDRAM. Not only does it have a SuperDrive, but a Combo Drive too. Best, Chris __________________ http://www.fallt.com

Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM	#6
Edge100 macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where am I???	Unreal. C'mon Apple, how on Earth do you expect to be able to sell ANY of these new machines (except the low end, which seems to be an excellent deal). they might be faster (significantly so) than the machines they replace, thanks to DDR SDRAM, but the FSB (to my eyes) is still not DDR. They simply dont have the power to justify the $3000 price tag, given the imminent release of Jaguar and it supposed power boosts. Innovate, Apple! Innovate! As has been said before, Save Us IBM! __________________ "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." http://dailydigitalphoto.wordpress.com/

Aug 13, 2002, 08:49 AM	#5
CTYankee macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2002	I'll be buying something, but frankly don't like the options. I may just get a refurm D1ghz and sell that in January if any REAL improvements are out there. I'll have to wait and see how the new 166 bus compares vs the old dual 1ghz bus. I won't buy anything until I get Final Cut rendering benchmark results in front of me.

Aug 13, 2002, 08:50 AM	#7
blogo macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Norway	Also the macs on the front page are now running OS 10.2, and the emac got a superdrive

Aug 13, 2002, 08:50 AM	#8
woodsey macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2001	the low end modle looks nice, in terms of power per dollar. just ordered mine at the apple store wonder when the www.apple.com/powermac page will be up?

Aug 13, 2002, 08:53 AM	#11
dnte42 macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002	Funny that Apple doesn't yet seem to have a front page advertising the new machines. But, in my opinion, there are many more attractive things that could be put there.

Aug 13, 2002, 08:55 AM	#12
Beej macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffy's bedroom	Yum! Now I want apple.com/powermac to be updated so I can see what these babies are packin' under the hood __________________ Hardcore newborn. (Thanks to mcrain for the idea) "You're a lot smarter than you look. Of course, you look like a retard..."

Aug 13, 2002, 08:55 AM	#13
MikeH macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	Hmm. Not sure about the looks. The panel looks a bit tacked on. And why has the base model got a lower bus speed? Seems a bit pointless why not just make all with the same mobo? Not convinced just yet. Maybe when I see full specs...

Aug 13, 2002, 08:57 AM	#14
JEdiBeavis macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002	Entry level eMac now has Combo Drive. Entry level iMac has only CD-RW. Mistake?

Aug 13, 2002, 08:57 AM	#15
TheT macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	...now I get a 'Forbidden' screen when I wanna go to the Store... and the /powermac page is still not up... But now, nobody should complain about speed anymore, this is certainly more than enough in GHz... but those price tags :/ BTW: Am I the only that thinks those new cases are UGLY? The eMac is one ugly mac, and now this... come on, where is that great Apple design? __________________ http://www.TheT.de

Aug 13, 2002, 08:58 AM	#16
gropo macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Queens, NYC	so annoying As of 8:58 AM EST the www.apple.com/powermac page is still outdated :P I know some sysadmin in Cupertino is laughing his/her ass off monitoring the volume of requests for that index {edit.. and then it was promptly updated.. } __________________  PowerMac Sawtooth Dual 1.2Ghz  iPod Mini \| 4Gb  iPod 3G \| 20Gb  iPod Touch \| 16Gb

Aug 13, 2002, 08:58 AM	#17
cyberfunk macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2002	Allright, this is what I've been wanting to know, and I STILL cant figure it out, can someone confirm, with evidence ? Is the DDR on this machine a Hack a La Xserve, or is it "FULL" DDR ? Thanks

Aug 13, 2002, 08:59 AM	#18
Beej macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffy's bedroom	There's stuff up at apple.com/pr now __________________ Hardcore newborn. (Thanks to mcrain for the idea) "You're a lot smarter than you look. Of course, you look like a retard..."

Aug 13, 2002, 09:00 AM	#19
blogo macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Norway	PowerMac on front page!

Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM	#20
TheT macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	Now everything is up! http://www.apple.com/powermac/ Enjoy! __________________ http://www.TheT.de

Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM	#21
gopher macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland, USA	http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...3.1.1.0?116,80 There you go! __________________ [url=http://www.macmaps.com/mac.html]http://www.macmaps.com/mac.html [url]

Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM	#22
soonbaek macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002	Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 Shipping in 6-8 weeks

Aug 13, 2002, 09:01 AM	#23
Beej macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffy's bedroom	Ahh, and apple.com/powermac is updated __________________ Hardcore newborn. (Thanks to mcrain for the idea) "You're a lot smarter than you look. Of course, you look like a retard..."

Aug 13, 2002, 09:03 AM	#25
barkmonster macrumors 65816 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A northern village in the UK with 3 pubs and the best indian takeaway ever	They're still slightly overcharing in the UK but I've been able to click on any of the models and check out the configure to order options. The second optical drive bay can contain a DVD/CDRW for an extra £200 (must be typo). The first one has either a DVD/CDRW or DVD-R/CDRW as before. The Radeon 9000 is an £80 BTO option. ALL graphics cards now have DVI/ADC connectors so you can run dual LCDs on any model now without having to burn hundreds on the GeForce4 Ti. They have a 1Mb L3 cache on not only the entry level but the dual Ghz model too, this could mean the high end model is not only 25% faster than the mid range but with the larger cache it will scream in comparison. I do wonder if having a smaller L3 would make much difference on the low end and mid range though. I just hope I can afford one of these as an end of life deal sometime next year when I've finally got the money together. The highend model looks pretty good to me. Last edited by barkmonster : Aug 13, 2002 at 09:10 AM.

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