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Old Oct 30, 2004, 12:38 AM   #1
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Linux is the same an Mac.

isnt the Linux the same as the Mac OSX?

Linux is an imitation of UNIX
Mac OSX is built on UNIX

Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX


so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 12:47 AM   #2
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isnt the Linux the same as the Mac OSX?

Linux is an imitation of UNIX
Mac OSX is built on UNIX

Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX


so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
Based on your assumptions...

A Hyundai is a internal combustion vehicle like a Bently, so why pay $235,000 for a Bently when a $16,000 Hyundai will work just as well.

It's called user experience... sometimes you have to pay a little more for the luxury items that are included with the package.

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But why buy a Apple HW when there are white-box Linux PPC computers?

Because the Linux PPCs are generations behind the Apple HW, just like the SW.
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 01:14 AM   #3
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You can install YellowDog Linux on a Mac pretty simply.

The real question is...

Why?
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 01:41 AM   #4
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You can install YellowDog Linux on a Mac pretty simply.

The real question is...

Why?
hahaha.

But yeah there are a few distro's of linux on mac, they have no software... sooo doesn't make much sense... whatever.
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isnt the Linux the same as the Mac OSX?

Linux is an imitation of UNIX
Mac OSX is built on UNIX

Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX


so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
i agree with you 100%, fedora should be free. actually redhat should pay its fedora userbase/community to use that piece of ****.

some computer users would rather spend the majority of their time using their computers than configuring, debugging, or maintaining their systems. i know it sounds forward-thinking, but trust me, it works.

mac and linux are different trunks on the unix tree. mac came down from the bsd trunk and linus torvalds rolled his own unix-like kernel in linux. but they co-oped with the FSF (free software fanatics) for all the system level libs and C compiler. well that was back in the early days, now there is more stuff available, hell even intel has a linux compiler now. pretty spiffy.

i think linux is wonderful. you can cobble together a really custom rig to do most anything you need. file server, web server, firewall, music server, home desktop, etc. but you will always pay a price to use linux. it is called, configuration and debugging HELL. sure there are some nice distros that have "very few" sharp edges but it has been my experience that they are slow and bloated, kinda like Microsoft Windows. you have to really get into the internals of linux, get dirty and customize it to really leverage its advantages fully.

that was fine and wonderful back in college. but now i am tired. i am cranky. i don't want to muck with config files or find the bug(s) in some kernel driver source code or application code. at some point i just want to read my e-mail, surf my news sites, and listen to my music. cue mac here.

to each their own i suppose, and sometimes you have to figure out your own deal, your own path. so it boils down to this...

where do you want to go today?

ahahahaha

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Old Oct 30, 2004, 05:16 AM   #6
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Right place to do the wrong observation... I liked better the "Mac os x on x86" thread ...
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 06:34 AM   #7
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Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
Because there are no Linux versions of:

iTunes
iPhoto
Word
Excel
Halo
Dreamweaver
OmniGraffle
Knights of the Old Republic
Battlefield 1942
Call of Duty
World of Warcraft
... and plenty of others.
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 06:39 AM   #8
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Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
Okay... Actually try OS X for a while, then come back and you'll answer that question yourself.

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Old Oct 30, 2004, 07:42 AM   #9
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hahaha.

But yeah there are a few distro's of linux on mac, they have no software... sooo doesn't make much sense... whatever.
Well, wrong.
You won't find many precompiled binaries, but almost all linux software is opensource. And then its only to build it.. configure, make, make install ..
Also, Yellowdog comes with very much software these days..

But its no use since you can run, those apps in x11..
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 09:22 AM   #10
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Because there are no Linux versions of:

iTunes
iPhoto
Word
Excel
Halo
Dreamweaver
OmniGraffle
Knights of the Old Republic
Battlefield 1942
Call of Duty
World of Warcraft
... and plenty of others.
of course you can have all of that on Linux. I've got Crossover Office Professional and I use Microsoft Office, Starcraft on Linux. I'm sure Halo won't be a problem either.
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 09:53 AM   #11
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os x = userfriendly and a joy to use
linux = a pain in the a**, how can they make it so hard to install something oh and it doesnt look anywhere near as nice
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Old Oct 30, 2004, 09:57 AM   #12
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os x = userfriendly and a joy to use
linux = a pain in the a**, how can they make it so hard to install something oh and it doesnt look anywhere near as nice
Don't you mean...

os x = pre-assembled furniture
linux = box of wood, elmer's glue, readme file with plans, and a swiss army knife
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linux = box of wood, elmer's glue, readme file with plans, and a swiss army knife
And a distinct lack of decent software. wine doesn't really count for that much, because it's not cross-architecture, and it doesn't even work very well unless you have Windows installed to get at Microsoft DLLs.
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Don't you mean...

os x = pre-assembled furniture
linux = box of wood, elmer's glue, readme file with plans, and a swiss army knife
no

os x = nice to use whether you know what you are doing or not and lots of possibilities if you do also
linux = if you know a lot its fine, if you know quite a bit or less you stand no chance, user friendly it is not and that is where its problems lie. they need to settle on one gui and one or two distros if it is to become anywhere near to being a viable alternative
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Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
KDE & Gnome aren't as polished and nice as Aqua is.




...let's see if anyone jumps on me for saying that........
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KDE & Gnome aren't as polished and nice as Aqua is.




...let's see if anyone jumps on me for saying that........
i would say that it is a bit of an undersatement!
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so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
Well, let's see here. If you buy a new Mac, it comes with the OS installed. If you buy an older Mac onto which you could consider installing OS X, then there's a 100% chance that you could have bought a PC with more horsepower cheaper - so you should be installing Linux on that, not the Mac you shouldn't have bought.

If you get an older Mac for free which could run Panther, then, yes, in that case you'd be able to save money by installing Linux. Unless, of course, you value your time any, in which case the extra time spent trying to get a Linux distro up and running makes it "cost" more than Panther - which will run you less than a hundred pounds anyway.
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isnt the Linux the same as the Mac OSX?

Linux is an imitation of UNIX
Mac OSX is built on UNIX

Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX


so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
no offence, but i have seen that you have only been around here for a few days and all of your posts have either been bashing apple or saying how great linux is. shouldnt you be in a linux forum?
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Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
No, Aqua is the GUI windowmanager for Darwin, which is the *NIX behind OS X.

Linux relies upon X11, therefore all apps have to be command line or X11. Mac OS X apps can be command line, Aqua, or X11.

Good luck running Final Cut Pro etc on Linux.
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i would say that it is a bit of an undersatement!
Let me elaborate then

In OS X I know where to find the preferences for all my apps, because it's always in the same place. In Linux it can be in any number of places (like a certain popular OS whose name I don't feel like typing right now.) Icons don't always make a lot of sense to me at first glance like they should. Also, I've the preferences in KDE to be a disaster; they're laid out totally hap-hazardly over a series of menus that make it unessessarily confusing.

I do like Linux though. I was a Linux user (Mandrake then Debian) before coming to OS X
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no offence, but i have seen that you have only been around here for a few days and all of your posts have either been bashing apple or saying how great linux is. shouldnt you be in a linux forum?
Considering he posted this...
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you have made a fantastic point. im a 15yr old student in the UK. I had my Prefect badge taken off me ...
Which probably means he was laughed off all the adult chat rooms, and came here because he was bored.

Definitely not one of the younger crowd that actually can act mature, like some of the other teens we have.

They don't last long with these type of threads.
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isnt the Linux the same as the Mac OSX?

Linux is an imitation of UNIX
Mac OSX is built on UNIX

Mac OSX Panther is the GUI for UNIX
KDE,GNOME etc. are the GUI for LINUX


so technically, that means that we can install Linux on the Apple machines and there is nothing special about the Apple OSX.

Why pay 100 pounds for Panther when you can get Fedora free.
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This thread is hysterical http://upload.edesignuk.net/uploaded...llinglaugh.gif, there really isn't much more to say other than that, that hasn't already been said.
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Future version of Linux

Linux is a hard sell for the Mac for me. I feel like I am using a future version of Linux by just using Panther.

Linux is appealing on Intel because of the alternatives to Linux on Intel and the price of the hardware is dirt cheap.
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of course you can have all of that on Linux. I've got Crossover Office Professional and I use Microsoft Office, Starcraft on Linux. I'm sure Halo won't be a problem either.
Well, good for you, troll.

How about you just use linux and be happy in your own life, and let us use OSX and be happy in our lives?
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This is chiefly predicated on the indefensible position that all operating systems that run are equal and all GUIs that exist are the same...I'm not even going to bother trying to explain why that's not the case...I never thought I would have to.
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