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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:34 AM   #1
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Does iPhone have GPS or not???

I've been reading some other posts, all about the GPS and A-GPS or Assisted GPS, which basically assists the GPS receiver in acquiring your position quicker. So if that's the case, then how could a position be off by miles? That makes me think that it's not GPS at all, but rather going off cell towers and wifi signals. And what if I'm in an area where I have no cell covereage period? Can I find my position? And a side question, I'm asking all this because I want to be able to find my lat/lon at any patricular place. So I'm curious... if it is a true GPS, then why is there no way (that I have found) to obtain your lat/lon from a native iPhone app? I thought maybe the compass would, but I don't see it, unless it has something to do with the location arrow on the bottom left that does not allow me to select it. And if there is not a way to obtain this via a native iPhone app, are there free ones out there which actuall work? The one I tried was GeoMarker, but that gave me lat/lon at least 3 miles away.

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Of course it has gps. How do you think Google maps and navigation programs work?
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:49 AM   #3
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it is assisted GPS


http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:50 AM   #4
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It has VERY good gps! It found me to within 2 inches... Ok I kid but it was more like 20 feet. Its so amazing! Better than my old blackberry storm.. That thing could find me within 300 yards!
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:53 AM   #5
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Of course it has gps. How do you think Google maps and navigation programs work?
Thanks for that VERY HELPFUL answer!

My question was related to how much of a true GPS it is.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I really thought after typing up a detailed, LEGITIMATE question that I might get some useful replies. Instead I get the obvious pointed out to me, and a link to the Apple page where it actually has the words "Assisted GPS". That's great, seeing that I already stated it has Assisted GPS. If it were an actual Apple definition of A-GPS then that would be helpful.

MY GPS is showing me off by 3+ miles. So therefore, one can only assume that the final determination of my location is NOT by GPS. Why do you think there are so many issues with Find My iPhone and people saying it's not showing where they are? That shows me off by 3+ miles sometimes too. Something's going on here. It's not just my phone.

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As stated, EDGE/3G/wifi assist the iPhone in finding the satellite quicker, so GPS can track you. If you're that far off, it means the phone never found the satellite and your GPS is essentially not working. You can try calibrating the GPS by resetting network settings and then turning on Location Services, but from what I've seen, you probably have a faulty GPS.


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Hopefully, I answered your question. It is true GPS.
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:55 AM   #7
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Thanks for that VERY HELPFUL answer!

My question was related to how much of a true GPS it is.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html


If you look at the specs page it clearly says "ASSISTED GPS" not that hard...
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Thanks for that VERY HELPFUL answer!

My question was related to how much of a true GPS it is.
It's better than a standalone GPS. aGPS locks in quicker and has an overall idea where you are much much, MUCH faster than a GPS.
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I've been reading some other posts, all about the GPS and A-GPS or Assisted GPS, which basically assists the GPS receiver in acquiring your position quicker. So if that's the case, then how could a position be off by miles? That makes me think that it's not GPS at all, but rather going off cell towers and wifi signals. And what if I'm in an area where I have no cell covereage period? Can I find my position? And a side question, I'm asking all this because I want to be able to find my lat/lon at any patricular place. So I'm curious... if it is a true GPS, then why is there no way (that I have found) to obtain your lat/lon from a native iPhone app? I thought maybe the compass would, but I don't see it, unless it has something to do with the location arrow on the bottom left that does not allow me to select it. And if there is not a way to obtain this via a native iPhone app, are there free ones out there which actuall work? The one I tried was GeoMarker, but that gave me lat/lon at least 3 miles away.

A lot of questions I know, but any help is appreciated.
you can get your lat and lon from the compass app.

that is using the digital compass inside it
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 11:56 AM   #10
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Which iPhone do you have?

The 3G and up have GPS. The original iPhone uses cell tower triangulation which is far less accurate.
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 12:00 PM   #11
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The 3G, 3GS and iPhone 4 all have GPS...

Sometimes, the GPS takes a few minutes to acquire a satellite signal (and longer if you've recently traveled a long distance) so it'll use techniques such as triangulation between cell towers and referencing a database of known WiFi networks to gain a quick and dirty fix - this is mostly so apps like Yelp don't have to wait around for the GPS acquisition to find your city.

After about a minute or so, when it's got a good GPS lock, it's accurate down to a few yards... I use my iPhone to go Geocaching all the time and it's surprisingly precise when you give it a minute to catch up.

There are lots of apps that'll give you lat/long... but find one that also puts you on a map so you can verify with cross streets before you take it for it's word... again, try the Geocaching app out and you'll get an idea of how long it takes to zero in.
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Using the compass on an iPhone 4, I'm staring at the lat/long along the bottom of the UI.

Another roundabout method I used on my 3G was to locate myself on the "Maps" app and drop a pin. If you then chose "share" it would put your location (in decimal degrees) into an email link.

Also, so long as you have an iPhone 3G, 3GS or iPhone-4 you have a bonafide GPS chip in there. But acquiring a true GPS fix on my ole 3G did could take 15-45 seconds depending on where I was using it, weather, mood of device, etc. (would have to restart the 3G sometimes too) Until that GPS fix could be achieved, you were stuck with the A-GPS only, and depending on your area, could be WILDLY inaccurate.

My iPhone-4 gets a fix very quickly, but if I can't het a fix (indoors, tall buildings) then your still back to A-GPS instead.
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 12:06 PM   #13
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Thank you to all who posted actual information. I truly appreciate it. I found one issue I have is that location services was for some reason turned off for the compass, so I wasn't seeing lat/lon at the bottom. And, maybe I'm just not giving it enough time to acquire the actual location by the GPS. Thanks again guys!
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 12:06 PM   #14
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Thanks for that VERY HELPFUL answer!

My question was related to how much of a true GPS it is.
Yes, the iPhone 4 does use satellites. If id did not it would not be called GPS. I've used my iPhone 4 GPS for route tracking while kayaking in some very remote areas. There certainly was no assistance from cellular or WiFi in those areas. The phone indicated No Service.

It's also worth noting that my iPhone 4 is much more accurate than my 3GS in poor GPS reception areas (under trees for example). It still can't beet my SiRF III chip-based GPS devices though.

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Old Jul 14, 2010, 12:08 PM   #15
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Thanks for that VERY HELPFUL answer!

My question was related to how much of a true GPS it is.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I really thought after typing up a detailed, LEGITIMATE question that I might get some useful replies. Instead I get the obvious pointed out to me, and a link to the Apple page where it actually has the words "Assisted GPS". That's great, seeing that I already stated it has Assisted GPS. If it were an actual Apple definition of A-GPS then that would be helpful.

MY GPS is showing me off by 3+ miles. So therefore, one can only assume that the final determination of my location is NOT by GPS. Why do you think there are so many issues with Find My iPhone and people saying it's not showing where they are? That shows me off by 3+ miles sometimes too. Something's going on here. It's not just my phone.
Are you inside of a building or is it cloudy outside? Or near a bunch of skyscrapers? GPS works best when you have direct line of sight to the sky on a sunny day, iPhone or not (Unless you have military grade technology).

Sitting by the window in my room It can find me to within 10m or so after it gets an accurate lock (Which you have to wait at least 1-2 minutes for depending on when you last used GPS)

If you don't wait it will be inaccurate because it is going off of cell towers or wifi networks.
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i don't like the ip4 assisted gps. my real gps pinpoints me.

ip4's is usually off by a bit. and i saw proof of it after looking at the locations of my photos being taken. a bunch of my photos were taken at my house, but it pegs them being taken around my neighborhood.

eh, it's okay though. does the job usually.
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you can get your lat and lon from the compass app.

that is using the digital compass inside it
Is this a joke? How would a compass get your lat & lon?
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Is this a joke? How would a compass get your lat & lon?
A compass gets lat and lon by using its built in GPS.
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Is this a joke? How would a compass get your lat & lon?
You apparently are not familiar with the Compass APP:


Lat and Lon can be displayed at the bottom.
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 12:46 PM   #20
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The original iPhone uses cell tower triangulation which is far less accurate.
It also used cell towers in conjunction w/wi-fi hotspots and a database from Skyhook Wireless. This data is still used on iPhones after the 1st gen, even though they have real GPS. It's used to assist w/getting a faster lock and when you're inside a building that totally blocks GPS signals (e.g. many floors above you or lots of concrete and metal above you).

One can read more about how A-GPS and Skyhook all plays into this at http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/ (click on the links on the left too)

Also see http://www.usatoday.com/tech/product...-skyhook_N.htm and http://www.skyhookwireless.com/whoweare/news08.php, specifically references to iPhone.
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there is a free app called GPS Status,

by the guys over at pocketgpsworld.com it gives out some good info in fix strength etc.

funnily enough i tried death gripping it and my horizontal accuracy went from 10M (good fix) to 5m (excellent fix) i tried this several times on the trot, tight grip, loose grip, tight grip, loose grip etc, and every time it changed between the two.

So the "bad signal phenomena' does have a silver lining, grip it and you know where you are more accurately!
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A-GPS is superior to traditional GPS. It uses Cell tower triangulation to provide an immediate approximation of your location, even while indoors. Based off of this data it can very quickly lock onto the correct satellites to provide true GPS data.
Keep in mind that if the Assisted triangulation fails, it could take several minutes with an open view of the sky to acquire a lock.
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i don't like the ip4 assisted gps. my real gps pinpoints me.

ip4's is usually off by a bit. and i saw proof of it after looking at the locations of my photos being taken. a bunch of my photos were taken at my house, but it pegs them being taken around my neighborhood.

eh, it's okay though. does the job usually.
Lol!

I noticed this too on the geo-tagged photos when I first got my iPhone4 and opened up the "Places" folder.

I had loaded pics taken with my 'ole 3G and hadn't realized they were being geo-tagged. Looking at the map, I saw pics attached to places I didn't remember going. Upon investigation, it seems these were triangulation tagged pics. Most were either the first couple of pics from a longer string of pictures, or quick single pics taken indoors.

Photos taken later in the string (after the GPS got a good lock) were right where they should be so long as I wasn't buried in a building somewhere.

But I imagine a man or two may have had to explain GPS lock-on times to his SO over that one!
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Old Jul 14, 2010, 01:56 PM   #24
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You apparently are not familiar with the Compass APP:


Lat and Lon can be displayed at the bottom.
Just to clarify, based on the mistake I made, you must have location services enabled for the compass in order to see your lat/lon at the bottom.
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