Two New iChat functionalities on the way

bobindashadows · Nov 20, 2002, 06:11 PM

Hey guys, I was just poking around in the iChat files, and I'm sure someone has already pointed it out, but i did a search for "iChat speech" and "iChat mic", "iChat camera"... i was in the private framework for iChat (i know the guy who figured out how to add your own emoticons to iChat, and he directed me there), and I found two very interesting .tiff files, mb-mic.tiff and mb-camera.tiff. the "mb" files are the little buttons in an ichat window, such as "B" for Bold, "I" for Italics, and the paper clip for sending files. These haven't been made into butotns yet as far as i can tell, but one is definitely of a camera and one is definitely of a microphone. In other words:

Unless Apple pulls a "minimize in place" feature deal on us again,
1. iChat will have talk support between buddies
2. iChat will be able to support... web cams? Not sure about the camera, i'm can't put it up here because their tiff files but if someone has a server or something and can host them, they aren't hard to find, they're located at:
Root/System/PrivateFrameworks/InstantMessage.framework/Versions/A/Resources/

tliptak · Nov 20, 2002, 06:34 PM

I think that would be sweet. I don't have a web cam but I would get one. Just see what happens.

bobindashadows · 10:44 PM

I just found more confirmation of this, in the Localizable.strings in the english.lproj folder. I found:

/* Minibar tooltip */
"Turn the camera on or off" = "Turn the camera on or off";

/* Minibar tooltip */
"Turn the microphone on or off" = "Turn the microphone on or off";

These are the little tips that show up when you hover your mouse over the buttons. Looking good guys, it seems very likely that iChat will be turning into a full videoconferencing package!

Update: After searching through .nib files, I also managed to find a contextual menu which had the options "Basic", "Microphone", "Camera", and "Both". It was labelled "Minibar Menu - TESTING ONLY". I am attempting to use my extremely limited interface builder ability to create a button to activate it.

Update: After creating a button labeled "Hack" attached to the menu, it turns out that the menu does cause have some effect. It causes the two aforementioned icons to appear in the minibar, and these darken when clicked. They do not do anything, however, under chats, instant messages, whether they be AIM or rendezvous.

Skandranon · Nov 20, 2002, 10:46 PM

That. Is bad as sh¡t.

bobindashadows · Nov 20, 2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skandranon
That. Is bad as sh¡t.

bad as or bad ass? heh well here's a screenshot of the window. I've got a theme on it so ignore the slightly different menu bar and stuff. And you can ignore my desktop too *suspiscious* Hope you guys enjoy.

The biggest thing is the menu which will eventually be implemented in some form and the two little icons in the middle. Like i said before, they darken when you press them. If you want the file to just have it installed and show off to your other mac friends, just email me at nater42688@yahoo.com and I'd be happy to send the file and isntructions on how to install. Note: an administrator password is required to do it.

Rower_CPU · Nov 21, 2002, 01:32 AM

Very interesting...

A good application for MPEG4, but where are the OS X compatible webcams? Would you need a full camcorder...?

Skandranon · Nov 21, 2002, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobindashadows
bad as or bad ass?

To quote the great Carter Beauford:

"That. Was bad as sh¡t."

(final four seconds of Dave Matthews Band's "Drive In Drive Out")

No typo.

Hemingray · Nov 21, 2002, 03:31 AM

Just for the helluvit, here are what those mic and camera pics look like (white background added for visibility):

G4scott · Nov 21, 2002, 08:39 AM

I have an older USB webcam, and haven't been able to get it to work with OS X

This feature might be a rendezvous feature...

Maybe you'll be able to IM someone with a phillips home theater system, and they just push a button on a remote, and they can see and hear you, it'd be the easiest form of video conferencing I've heard of.

merkn · Nov 21, 2002, 08:39 AM

A few weeks ago I was told from an apple employee to look out for video conferencing software from apple and that it wasn't too far away. I'm guessing this is it. He said he didn't want to tell me too much and that he'd rather have me be surprised. Bastard.

Bradcoe · Nov 21, 2002, 09:04 AM

Hey Bobindashadows,

On that screenshot of your desktop, what application does that icon for the AustinPower.avi movie belong too? Just curious since I've never seen the icon before and am always into new ways of playing .avi's (even though vlc works well).

8thDegreeSavage · Nov 21, 2002, 09:15 AM

bobinshadows....now that i have seen your desktop....i fear you.

mnkeybsness · Nov 21, 2002, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bradcoe
Hey Bobindashadows,

On that screenshot of your desktop, what application does that icon for the AustinPower.avi movie belong too? Just curious since I've never seen the icon before and am always into new ways of playing .avi's (even though vlc works well).

it's the divx validator...sometimes when people download divx movies they are messed up and the sound doesn't work...run divx validator and it converts the movie to work...truly amazing

bobindashadows · Nov 21, 2002, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mnkeybsness

it's the divx validator...sometimes when people download divx movies they are messed up and the sound doesn't work...run divx validator and it converts the movie to work...truly amazing

right on the money... there's also an app called avi2mov you can use if you want to skip the whole avi format, and it works most of the time when the validator gives an error.

Alpha Mac · Nov 21, 2002, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Very interesting...

A good application for MPEG4, but where are the OS X compatible webcams? Would you need a full camcorder...?

Some Here And Here

Rower_CPU · Nov 21, 2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alpha Mac
Some Here And Here

Thanks, I forgot about those...but, damn they're ugly...

paaux4 · Nov 21, 2002, 02:07 PM

http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/ - Quite a good universal system for webcams.

Fipher · Nov 21, 2002, 06:32 PM

This will be GREAT! I would love to have spoken conversations with my friends who have Jag, but I think these options might be a 10.3 thing. Mabe...

I do know that it will be really great for Apple in the nuisness world. iChat is so incredibly simple and easy to use that if they added webcam support ot would make for reaaly good and siple way to wage video confrences. Not only will it be simple to use, but it will be part of your computer so you have emidiate acces to all your filse without having to shufle through paper. Also, you can directly and quikly send the documents to all the people in the meating instead to having to read, fax, e-mail, or type it to them, all wich can be slow and/or unefitiant and/or inconvenient. If Apple did this it would be a very good reson to add on for companies to upgrade to OS X or even to swich to the mac.

bobindashadows · Nov 22, 2002, 08:34 AM

I was looking around in localization .strings files, and I found a couple about encrypted chats:

/* Generic no-encryption warning banner */
"Chat is not encrypted." = "Chat is not encrypted.";

/* Person-specific encryption reassurance banner */
"Chat with %@ is encrypted." = "Chat with %@ is encrypted.";

/* Person-specific no-encryption warning banner */
"Chat with %@ is not encrypted." = "Chat with %@ is not encrypted.";

I've yet to find more about this, since I think my mac was fried from power surges yesterday (through a surge protector, no less) but I'll be looking at it before I jump to that conclusion. Hope to find a lot more. See yall later.

rdas7 · Nov 22, 2002, 11:56 AM

Guys, check this out... I got it in an Apple e-mail a few days ago. This is a link to the Apple Store online in the UK:

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...earnMore=T4791

It's a link to a mini firewire webcam. I know a friend of mine has been looking for one for some time and was told by Apple Stores in the US that there weren't any (as of a week or two ago!) on the market for OSX - but look at the details on this page and it says: "NATIVE 10.2 SUPPORT - NO DRIVER NEEDED).

The page has a picture of QTBroadcaster on it, but I suppose if the OS sees it, it's just a question of putting the button "back" into iChat before Mac users the world over see each other face to face.

I'm going to comb my hair.

R*

ameliaraitte · Feb 28, 2003, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Very interesting...

A good application for MPEG4, but where are the OS X compatible webcams? Would you need a full camcorder...?

Has finding webcams for OS X been a problem!?!

I've have an iBot Firewire webcam which works for OS X. I've had it about a year or so. Tried out a few VC apps - but didn't find anything I liked much. So it's been collecting dust, waiting for rumoured video support for iChat.

gopher · Mar 1, 2003, 10:17 AM

http://www.ioexperts.com/ has many Mac OS X compatible webcams through its drivers.

Nov 20, 2002, 06:11 PM	#1
bobindashadows macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2002	Two New iChat functionalities on the way Hey guys, I was just poking around in the iChat files, and I'm sure someone has already pointed it out, but i did a search for "iChat speech" and "iChat mic", "iChat camera"... i was in the private framework for iChat (i know the guy who figured out how to add your own emoticons to iChat, and he directed me there), and I found two very interesting .tiff files, mb-mic.tiff and mb-camera.tiff. the "mb" files are the little buttons in an ichat window, such as "B" for Bold, "I" for Italics, and the paper clip for sending files. These haven't been made into butotns yet as far as i can tell, but one is definitely of a camera and one is definitely of a microphone. In other words: Unless Apple pulls a "minimize in place" feature deal on us again, 1. iChat will have talk support between buddies 2. iChat will be able to support... web cams? Not sure about the camera, i'm can't put it up here because their tiff files but if someone has a server or something and can host them, they aren't hard to find, they're located at: Root/System/PrivateFrameworks/InstantMessage.framework/Versions/A/Resources/

Nov 20, 2002, 06:34 PM	#2
tliptak macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: IA	Cool I think that would be sweet. I don't have a web cam but I would get one. Just see what happens. __________________ Macs Rock! Throw the Window's thing Out the Window

Nov 20, 2002, 09:34 PM	#3
bobindashadows Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2002	more confirmation I just found more confirmation of this, in the Localizable.strings in the english.lproj folder. I found: /* Minibar tooltip / "Turn the camera on or off" = "Turn the camera on or off"; / Minibar tooltip / "Turn the microphone on or off" = "Turn the microphone on or off"; These are the little tips that show up when you hover your mouse over the buttons. Looking good guys, it seems very likely that iChat will be turning into a full videoconferencing package! Update: After searching through .nib files, I also managed to find a contextual menu which had the options "Basic", "Microphone", "Camera", and "Both". It was labelled "Minibar Menu - TESTING ONLY". I am attempting to use my extremely limited interface builder ability to create a button to activate it. Update: After creating a button labeled "Hack" attached to the menu, it turns out that the menu does* cause have some effect. It causes the two aforementioned icons to appear in the minibar, and these darken when clicked. They do not do anything, however, under chats, instant messages, whether they be AIM or rendezvous. Last edited by bobindashadows : Nov 20, 2002 at 10:44 PM.

Nov 21, 2002, 01:32 AM	#6
Rower_CPU Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego, CA	Very interesting... A good application for MPEG4, but where are the OS X compatible webcams? Would you need a full camcorder...? __________________ Join MacRumors.com - Team Folding!

Nov 21, 2002, 08:39 AM	#9
G4scott macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	I have an older USB webcam, and haven't been able to get it to work with OS X This feature might be a rendezvous feature... Maybe you'll be able to IM someone with a phillips home theater system, and they just push a button on a remote, and they can see and hear you, it'd be the easiest form of video conferencing I've heard of. __________________ Hook 'em Horns!

Nov 20, 2002, 10:46 PM	#4
Skandranon macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Carolina	That. Is bad as sh¡t.

Nov 21, 2002, 03:31 AM	#8
Hemingray macrumors 68030 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ha ha haaa!	Just for the helluvit, here are what those mic and camera pics look like (white background added for visibility):

Nov 21, 2002, 08:39 AM	#10
merkn macrumors newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: college	video conferencing A few weeks ago I was told from an apple employee to look out for video conferencing software from apple and that it wasn't too far away. I'm guessing this is it. He said he didn't want to tell me too much and that he'd rather have me be surprised. Bastard.

Nov 21, 2002, 09:04 AM	#11
Bradcoe macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northeast U.S.	totally off topic Hey Bobindashadows, On that screenshot of your desktop, what application does that icon for the AustinPower.avi movie belong too? Just curious since I've never seen the icon before and am always into new ways of playing .avi's (even though vlc works well).

Nov 21, 2002, 09:15 AM	#12
8thDegreeSavage macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada	bobinshadows....now that i have seen your desktop....i fear you. __________________ What the bloodclot is the damned error now.

Nov 21, 2002, 02:07 PM	#17
paaux4 macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2002	http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/ - Quite a good universal system for webcams.

Nov 21, 2002, 06:32 PM	#18
Fipher macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Martha's Vineyard Island, Massachussetts, United States of America	This will be GREAT! I would love to have spoken conversations with my friends who have Jag, but I think these options might be a 10.3 thing. Mabe... I do know that it will be really great for Apple in the nuisness world. iChat is so incredibly simple and easy to use that if they added webcam support ot would make for reaaly good and siple way to wage video confrences. Not only will it be simple to use, but it will be part of your computer so you have emidiate acces to all your filse without having to shufle through paper. Also, you can directly and quikly send the documents to all the people in the meating instead to having to read, fax, e-mail, or type it to them, all wich can be slow and/or unefitiant and/or inconvenient. If Apple did this it would be a very good reson to add on for companies to upgrade to OS X or even to swich to the mac. __________________ Music, to revitalisze mind. Computers, to store, research, and share that music. Food, to revitalize body and mind. Computers, to research, and share that food. Science, to improve to comfort of mankind. Computers, to store, research, and share that science. History, to learn from mistakes and never make them again. Computers, to store, research, and share that history. God, to guid us through it all. Comp: iMac DV (version = 83.0) / Processor: 400 MHz PowerPC G3 / HD: 12.75 GB / Memory: 384 MB SDRAM / Video Card: ATY,Rage128VR; 8 MB Memory / OS: Mac OS X 10.2.2 (6D52) (Jaguar) / Kernel: Darwin Kernel Version 6.2 /

Nov 22, 2002, 08:34 AM	#19
bobindashadows Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2002	Encrypted Chat Rooms I was looking around in localization .strings files, and I found a couple about encrypted chats: /* Generic no-encryption warning banner / "Chat is not encrypted." = "Chat is not encrypted."; / Person-specific encryption reassurance banner / "Chat with %@ is encrypted." = "Chat with %@ is encrypted."; / Person-specific no-encryption warning banner */ "Chat with %@ is not encrypted." = "Chat with %@ is not encrypted."; I've yet to find more about this, since I think my mac was fried from power surges yesterday (through a surge protector, no less) but I'll be looking at it before I jump to that conclusion. Hope to find a lot more. See yall later.

Nov 22, 2002, 11:56 AM	#20
rdas7 macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London, England	Guys, check this out... I got it in an Apple e-mail a few days ago. This is a link to the Apple Store online in the UK: http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...earnMore=T4791 It's a link to a mini firewire webcam. I know a friend of mine has been looking for one for some time and was told by Apple Stores in the US that there weren't any (as of a week or two ago!) on the market for OSX - but look at the details on this page and it says: "NATIVE 10.2 SUPPORT - NO DRIVER NEEDED). The page has a picture of QTBroadcaster on it, but I suppose if the OS sees it, it's just a question of putting the button "back" into iChat before Mac users the world over see each other face to face. I'm going to comb my hair. R*

Mar 1, 2003, 10:17 AM	#22
gopher macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland, USA	http://www.ioexperts.com/ has many Mac OS X compatible webcams through its drivers. __________________ [url=http://www.macmaps.com/mac.html]http://www.macmaps.com/mac.html [url]

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