17" Powerbooks

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  1. macrumors newbie

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    A while ago it was tutted that 17" Powerbooks could possibly be on the agenda after the introduction of Fdigital screens.

    Can anyone shed some light on the possibility, ETA, etc. ?

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  2. macrumors regular

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    Re: 17" Powerbooks

    Just out of interest, what were Fdigital screens?
    (I'm assuming that's not just a typo:D )
     
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  4. macrumors 6502

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    17"??? That seems a little big to fit in a case or even in an airline seat. I highly doubt it.
     
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    mymemory

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    Why not a 23" powerbook?

    Dude, there is a limit for things. 15" is about too big for a portable computer. Bigger than that would not be that "portable" any more.
     
  6. macrumors 6502a

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    I belive that there are IBM mobile workstations with 17inch LCD screens. The point of the matter is, they don't move. They are the type of comptuer you set up and move maybe once a week, that's all. The 15.2 inch screen on the PB right now is great IMHO.

    BEN
     
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    FelixDerKater

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    15" in the current widescreen format is fine. Anything smaller isn't acceptable after using one. SONY makes a VAIO laptop with a 16.1" display and that just seems too big. I'm not saying that I wouldn't liek a bigger display, but that is why you have video out on the laptops. Maybe Apple could come up with a more space conserving model with less casing around the display, just like they did with the TiBooks.
     
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    rainman::|:|

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    Although a 17" won't happen, what about a HD version of the tibook? i don't know enough about LCDs to know the technicals, are they thicker or something? i think it'd be cool to see it... 'course it would cost a bundle... i suppose there wouldn't be too many practical applications... perhaps this isnt a great idea...

    :)
    pnw
     
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    MacBandit

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    HD has to do with the number of pixels on the screen. There are several formats for HD and you will hear a few if you go to your local electronics store. Everything from 540i to 1280p. 540 being 540 lines of resolution. The i stands for Interlaced meaning every frame is opposite or interlacing lines. The p stands for progressive which is a true high-def image. I'm not sure why they call it progressive. Any how moving along to the point. All these different sizes are just different factors of a true high-def image. True HD is 1920x1200. Now if you check you will see that the 23" HD Apple Cinema Display is 1920x1200.

    I hope this clears a few things up.
     
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    scem0

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    It would be waaaaaaaaaaay to heavy, and waaaaay to big. No
    one would want to buy that and then lug it around. Not to mention,
    it would be very expensive......
     
  12. macrumors 6502

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    I think there might be a market for semi portable truely desktop replacement machines. Slap an LCD with a hinge onto an xServe and Viola! It wouldnt need batteries, as it would suck power anyway, but it would be possible to move it around, and use it without hooking up peripherals (although youd probably want a mouse over a trackpad) That said, I dont think there is a market for this, nor do I think apple will make one. The few people that do need semi portability can just buy an LCD and an xserve and make a custom case for it.
     
  13. macrumors 6502

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    Display Madness...

    It's HD ... I swear... everything is going HD.

    Truth, MacRumor, or both???

    :cool:
     
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    redAPPLE

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    Re: 17" Powerbooks

    anybody heard about ETA?

    it's this terror group or sumthin', right?
     
  15. macrumors 6502a

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    As a die-hard TiBook user I want to comment that bigger is not better in this case. The TiBook fits just fine in my cases and bags. It's just possible to take it on the edge and not having it bending all over.

    If you make it 2 inch wider, it will become too big to handle. A big screen is nice, but portability and handleability is more important for powerbook owners.
     
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    Nipsy

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    Well, there is not really a true HDTV format yet, as no standards body has ratafied one.

    What you're prolly talking about is 1080i, which is 1920x1080. Then there's 720p, and also some really enormous HDTV resolutions which represent different aspect ratios (and are too big for the Cinema HD).

    Now, 1920x1200 on a PB would require either a huge PB, great vision, or an increase of Aqua chrome and font sizes to be usable. It would drive the price of the machine up at least $1500. A 15.2" panel at 1600x1024 seens a much more likely compromise in a laptop intended to travel.

    Interesting links:
    http://www.pixeltwisters.com/infosource-vidres.html
    http://members.shaw.ca/quadibloc/other/aspint.htm
     
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    MacBandit

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    You are correct in the 1920x1080. That is what I meant but there are no resolutions larger then that approoved for DTV use.

    Here is a page that explains HDTV in detail.

    http://www.hdtvinfoport.com/high-definition-television.html

    Also here is the page for the standards committee on HDTV that lists the different formats.

    http://www.atsc.org/guide_default.html
     
  18. macrumors newbie

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    i vs. p on LCD displays

    one thing of importance i feel the need to mention is that all LCD displays used by apple are digital, which means that there is no such thing as refresh rate, or interlaced vs. progressive, at least when dealing with imagry such as a open GL game. in all apple LCDs, including those on Ti and iBooks, a DVI interface is used, and thus each pixel is updated as soon as the GPU calculates if it needs to change, with respect to the latency of the pixels in the screen, which is in milliseconds. Apple LCD screens tend to be more latent in pixel updates than some other screens made by 3rd party companies such as formac. and THEN you get into 9 megapixel LCD screens which also use DVI, and do work with macs. just FYI, a 9 megapixel 22-inch viewable 4:3 LCD screen rivals a cheap printer in resolution.

    I will also note that the p on DTV resolutions like 720p stands for progressive, meaning each line is refreshed in direct succession, instead of every other line in 1080i, resulting in a true picture every refresh cycle, instead of every two. also, there is a 1080p resolution, and some projectors made by companies such as Runco, support it. however, the amount of data pushing through transmission pipes for 1080p is quite large for steady 30 fps. it is possible with a DVI interface, but I'm doubtful present component video interfaces could maintian signal integrity, even at a bandwidth of 54-55 MHz. hope this helps.

    One last tidbit of interest, I have a friend who works for the NSA, and one of the goodies he has seen is a three by five inch LCD screen with 2000 by 3000 resolution, and said that even with a high power magnifying glass, the pixels could not be made out.-Dibbs

    [edited for cursed typos!]
     
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    I think the word is "touted" rather than "tutted."
     
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    JSRockit

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    17" screen in a laptop...that is funny. Luckily, Apple knows that a laptop is supposed to be brought with you...so the 17" screen will not be in the future. Apple already did a great job by being the only computer manufactuer to make a 15" screen in a laptop under 5.5lbs. Due to the length being already at 13" plus, it would be stupid to go any bigger...especially in a wide-screen. If anything, I would love to see the screen shrink so it fits in a bag easier.
     
  21. macrumors regular

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    I'd save your money and see when the OLED Powerbook will come along. That technology is here but it's got growing pains right now. I'm sure we'll see something soon though, and it will give LCD screens a run for it's money.
     
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    topicolo

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    considering the fact that they're having trouble making 4" screens for PDAs, the chances of them making 15.2" OLED screens within the next 2 years for powerbooks is remote.
     
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    the sony 16" lcd on one of their laptop models i saw at circuit city is gorgeous and that size would be the biggest i would want to see an apple laptop

    anything larger, unless they got it .75" inches or thinner, would be too heavy and be 8 pounds...too heavy by today's standards and not a good air travel companion

    heck, my old PC laptop is 7 1/2 pounds and that is too heavy for air travel and all it has is a 12 inch lcd screen...so things have improved over the years in getting the weight down

    the tibook is still the ultimate in screen size and lightness for laptops
     
  24. macrumors regular

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    17" screen in a laptop......
    Bring it on!!!!
    I'll buy it!
    No one thinks that there's a market for desktop replacement Mac's?
    Seems to a thriving business in the PC industry.Not everyone cares about how much a portable weighs,or how long the battery lasts.What's important for some people is that you get a full featured machine that you can fold up and take somewhere else.I have a vision of a Full featured G4 portable that is built directly into a stylish briefcase,comes with a couple of PCI slots and an AGP slot,17-19" display,weighs in at 15- 20 lbs with battery that you are lucky to get a couple of hours of use from.Apple could also offer a large external battery for those who needed the extra remote power.Perfect for the field professional who needs only raw power,expandibility, and an easy way to tote it around.
    I think the present Tibook is already a fairly decent "desktop replacement" with the exception of the 1280x1024 display,and the lack of upgrade options.I find 1600x1200 to be crucial for running screen real estate demanding apps.
    As far as there being a market for big power hungry and cumbersome notebooks is concerned,these are being sold like hotcakes under numerous brand names,and they are my personal fovorite as far as PC portables are concerned.
    And the pricing is more than fair!

    http://pctorque.com/5620.php
    http://pctorque.com/8880.php

    If you even care,full specs can be found here:

    http://www.powernotebooks.com/5660specs.php3
    http://www.powernotebooks.com/8886specs.php3
     
  25. macrumors member

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    I'm currently reading this thread on a 16.1 inch Sony Vaio which someone here mentioned, its is large but the 1600 x 1200 display is great!

    I love my TiBook, but would have to say IMHO the screen on the Viao is just slightly better.
     

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