20 oz bottle in the freezer

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  1. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    Does anybody know how long it will take for a 20 oz bottle of Pepsi (unopened) to explode if it is in a freezer? The bottle was about 70F when it was placed in the freezer, at about 12:30 pm EST. I will be returning home at about 7:30pm EST. As there is no way for me to go remove it, what do you all think will have happened to it?

    Oh, as to why it is in there. I was planning on leaving the house at 12:45 (which I did), but wanted a cold soda to drink at 3pm. I figured 15 min in the feeezer would be better than in the fridge. I forgot it when I left the house.
     
  2. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    i honestly dont think it will explode, i think there is enough room in a 20 oz bottle for all the liquid to freeze, if anything the plastic may have a huge bump at one of the ends

    i dont know how long it would take to freeze though, never timed or was good at figureing out things like this
     
  3. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    You may be lucky but I'm just waiting for a scientific genius to come along and calculate this. :)

    It could be done with some assumptions about the temperature of the freezer and a guess at the freezing point of Pepsi. :D
     
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  5. Le Big Mac macrumors 68020

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    If it explodes, most of the liquid will be frozen anyway. Just remove it and pitch it in the sink until it melts. But since it's plastic it may well not explode.
     
  6. SFVCyclone macrumors 6502a

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    I agree it sounds more like one of word problems in a math book asking how much longer will jimmy take to get to marias house if he goes over the mountain instead of around it. :D
     
  7. emw macrumors G4

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    I believe water expands somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10% when it freezes. Pepsi? Don't know, but I imagine it's a little less than that, perhaps around 6-7%.

    A 20 oz bottle of Pepsi likely has enough spare room (the bottom will pop out first) to avoid explosion.

    I don't want to calculate time to freeze, but I'm guessing 7 hours will be enough. But you should be fine. besides, if it explodes when it's frozen, or mostly frozen, you shouldn't get much of a mess. The pressure from the carbonation will decrease with temperature decrease.
     
  8. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    Cross linked polyethylene has enough give to survive. The bottle will distort but shouldn't break. A rapid freeze may sufficiently em-brittle it to crack but that would involve cryogenics.
     
  9. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    FWIW, an unopened 20 oz bottle of Diet Coke which was inadvertently left outside when the temperature went to 0º F, survived unscathed except for a pushed-out bottom. It didn't explode. If your bottle ruptured, switch to Coke products.
     
  10. plinden macrumors 68040

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    It probably won't explode, it'll just crack open the bottle. Might make a mess though.

    Couple of weeks ago I put a bottle of beer (at about 6pm) in the freezer to cool down and forgot it overnight. By next morning it had cracked open the bottle and oozed out before freezing solid. It wasn't too hard to clean up.

    By the way, I have a habit of cooling down warm beer in the freezer - a couple of months ago I did that, took it out after a couple of hours, popped off the top, and it bubbled up out of the neck, before freezing.
     
  11. nbs2 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Ok. I guess explode was the wrong term. It is just much more exciting than "pussed", "leaked", or "dribbled". I was just wondering if I was going to come home to a layer of Pepsi in my freezer.
    Cross linked poly-what? Is that just a fancy term for a plastic bottle, or is it a special plastic of some sort? I really should have done something other than law school.
    No can do. I got to keep winning more free music - even though I have 5 or 6 songs that I still haven't used. I got a case of Pepsi that needs using by the end of this here competition... :D I forgot my nice little lunch at home and refuse to buy a Coke here b/c I will not be manipulated into purchasing a drink that will give me no musical benefits. :mad:
     
  12. yg17 macrumors G5

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    If it explodes or is abnormal in any way, make sure to post pics :D
     
  13. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    Soda bottles are made from polyethylene a relatively soft malleable plastic. To make it stronger they stretch it out so that it all goes in the same direction and then the run another layer going in the opposite direction.

    When a soda bottle fails catastrophically you will see that it actually has layers and that the strain marks on the layers run in different directions. Soda bottle are a marvel of engineering in terms of how much pressure they can safely contain.
     
  14. musicpyrite macrumors 68000

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    I've left cans of Diet Coke in the freezer before... only took a couple hours to expand, and a eventually exploded.

    Coke everywhere. Had to remove all the shelves, and food food from the freezer. The worst part was I had to use a hair dryer to heat the frozen Coke off the bottom of the freezer. Wasn't fun to clean up. :(

    Maybe you'll be a bit more lucky.
     
  15. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    Ah, but cans are much different than bottles. 12 oz aluminum cans are more restricted in their ability to stretch than 20 oz plastic bottles.
     
  16. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I once did an experiment with a 20oz. plastic bottle of Sprite...

    Drank the Sprite, then tossed 8-10 cylindrical cubes of dry ice into the bottle, and sealed the cap. After about 20 minutes, the bottle had been stretched to 20-30% greater than its original size, but the cap was still secure. Then I got a little scared and carefully loosened the cap to let the gas out.

    Bottom line: cans will blow up but the plastic should be fine if it is anything like the Sprite bottle I used. Dry ice produces a lot more gas than the soda will.
     
  17. takao macrumors 68040

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    reminded me when i had some 'strange' behaviour from bottles in freezers as well.. i ut them in and took them out ... with it still being liquid inside...opened the cap...BOOM completly solid ice within seconds (my reaction: "WTF ?") and "bubbeling" started like insane...needless to say i put the cap on fast ;)
     
  18. SFVCyclone macrumors 6502a

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    I gotta try that some time
     
  19. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    You reduced the pressure and hence raised the freezing point on a solution that was near-freezing under higher pressure - result: instant freeze.
     
  20. Applespider macrumors G4

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    For future reference, best way to chill liquid quickly is to stick it in a bucket of iced water. Much faster than either fridge or freezer...
     
  21. musicpyrite macrumors 68000

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    but still... it was a mess.... :(

    and Coke, to me, doesn't taste as good after it's frozen then thawed.
     
  22. aloofman macrumors 68020

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    Because it's plastic, I don't think it would explode, so I agree with the others on that. If it does rupture, it will be mostly frozen, so I imagine it will be mostly about leaking, not spraying. My experience has been that if very much of the soda has frozen, its flavor is ruined though.

    I too have experienced the same problem with frozen soda cans that musicpyrite mentions. In the case of cans, the aluminum can't withstand that much expansion, so the metal ruptures long before most of the soda freezes. That makes for a lot of spraying liquid. In this case it was a refrigerator whose thermostat was turned all the way down by the moron who repaired it at a rental house. My dad didn't discover that it had broken until weeks later. The soda had frozen to the walls inside and the whole thing had to be defrosted just to clean it.
     
  23. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    For even faster results, salt the water.
     
  24. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    Or use liquid nitrogen. :D
     
  25. Applespider macrumors G4

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    Darn...I knew I'd forgotten something at the supermarket this week! ;)
     

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