6 weeks in Jail for trolling

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    Freedom of speech doesn't mean you're allowed to insult others, neither in public nor on the internet. IMO it's not a bad thing that law gets those who think they're anonymous on the web.
     
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    But who gets to decides what is offensive/insulting, a judge?

    Talk about a slippery slope, it is already illegal in the U.S. to more or less protest near anyone from the Executive branch of the Government. What is next saying something that hurts someones feelings?

    The Lawyers just keep getting richer...
     
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    It's a tricky area for sure - I don't believe people should be able to post whatever they want online without repercussions. However, the line is a bit hard to pin down.

    A post threatening someone? Sure that should lead to consequences and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I also think people who post comments online with the intention to cause, not just offence, but distress should also face criminal sanctions. Like people who contact the family/friends of a murder victim specifically to provoke a reaction.

    I personally support the balance of free speech the UK has (and generally under the European Convention of Human Rights) but cases like this need to go to the senior courts in the UK to be tested and have them provide guidance for the lower courts.

    Lawyer here - lawyers dealing with these types of crimes are not usually the ones getting rich! Apart from the very, very top of the criminal law profession it is poorly paid. Commercial law is far more lucrative.
     
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    So in England you can go to jail for saying distasteful things on Facebook? That's messed up.
     
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    Well, that's how it works with the three powers, isn't it?
     
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    Thankfully, we have the 1A where things like this could never happen. 'merica, **** yeah!


    http://www.policymic.com/articles/54961/8-social-media-users-arrested-for-what-they-said-online
     
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    A lot of times people believe that the anonymity of the web protects them. A person can face criminal or civil actions even if their identity isn't known. In my neighboring county a high school principal sued over forum comments.

    The newspaper and many others have since changed their commenting forums to Facebook Commenting where a person's identity is attached to the post. While a person could set up an anonymous Facebook account it is more effort.

    Alcovy principal sues over website comments - Newton Citizen

    Alcovy principal names school board member in lawsuit - Newton Citizen
     
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    If it is a threat, I can see the point, but otherwise, no.
     
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    Community service seems appropriate for lesser infractions. For threats and such, short jail sentences would be fair.
     
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    One of the few times I've agreed with you.:eek::p
     
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    Since I have arrived in the UK 20 years ago, freedoms have been constantly curtailed, ranging from the right to have a jury trial, freedom from double jeopardy, the right to protest, the right to refrain from self-incrimination, and now freedom of speech (not only attacked in this case, but also attacks from MP's, who got caught red-handed abusing public funds, to limit freedom of the press that exposed their crimes). I love living in the UK, but I think the UK voters might very well be sleep-walking into an environment that could be very much abused by those in power.
     
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    Yup! It's not hard to see why the commercial side is so attractive in this regard.

    Also, I'm glad to see some repercussions for online trolling. Whether not a jail sentence is suitable or not is another matter, but it seems that many believe that their screen acts as a protective barrier allowing them to express whatever inane thought pops into their head without the fear of reprisal.
     
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    From the OP's linked article ...
    And what was said that got the person a six week sentence?
    This wasn't the only arrest connected to comments on that stabbing ...

    These aren't just insults. These comments hint to deranged and possibly dangerous individuals and IMO meet the standard of being "grossly offensive and menacing".

    It's interesting that here in the U.S. we hold out hope of identifying people with mental illness who could become violent. Well, what's a common way that these people have exposed themselves in the past? That's right, through internet postings. It seems to me that internet comments offer a window into disturbed minds that should not be ignored or passed of as harmless.

    My main complaint with the British system is I think the punishment is wrong. Throwing a person in jail for a time does not change their mental state ... it could even make it worse. My suggestion is that people who engage in this kind of behavior be sentenced to psychiatric evaluation to determine whether there are mental issues that need to be addressed.

    Instead of six weeks in jail I'd rather see six weeks of counseling, and a determined effort to heal a mind that is in obvious need of therapy.
     
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    I approve of this message.
     
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    This makes so much more sense than jail time.
     
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    If there is an actual, physical threat to someone, I can see jail time for that. For something that is "only" grossly offensive, no.

    What I think we need here is a new type of job. Facebook should hire a group of...oh, what would the job title be?..."troll officers". To get the job, you'd have to be a big guy, like a bouncer in a club. So if you make an almost universally offensive comment on Facebook like this kid did, then a troll officer comes over to your house, drags you out into the street and bitch-slaps you, hard, in public. :D
     
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    I'm calling the Troll Patrol on you.
     
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    I've got friends on the force. :D
     
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    The law spells out what the penalty is for this type of crime. If you are unwilling to do the time, don't do the crime. It's simple.
     
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    No it is not. The law is open to interpretation.
     
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    No, the law is very simple. If you violate the law you can receive a penalty that is spelled out very clearly in the code books. If you are unwilling to serve that penalty, you should seriously consider not breaking the law. Keep in mind there can be civil penalties as well.
     

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