9/11 Panel Finds No Collaboration Between Iraq, Al Qaeda

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    9/11 Panel Finds No Collaboration Between Iraq, Al Qaeda
    Findings Contradict Comments by Cheney, Bush


    By Dan Eggen
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, June 16, 2004; 9:00 AM

    There is "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq collaborated with the al Qaeda terrorist network on any attacks on the United States, including the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackings, according to a new staff report released this morning by the commission investigating the hijacking plot.

    Although Osama bin Laden briefly explored the idea of forging ties with Iraq in the mid-1990s, the terrorist leader was hostile to Hussein's secular government, and Iraq never responded to requests for help in providing training camps or weapons, the panel's report says.

    The findings come in the wake of statements Monday by Vice President Cheney that Iraq had "long-established ties" with al Qaeda, and comments by President Bush yesterday backing up that assertion.

    The Sept. 11 panel, which opened its last two-day round of hearings this morning, said in a report on al Qaeda's history that the government of Sudan, which gave sanctuary to al Qaeda from 1991 to 1996, persuaded bin Laden to cease supporting anti-Hussein forces and "arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda." But the contacts did not result in any cooperation, the panel said.

    "There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan [in 1996], but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report says. "Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." . . .

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45853-2004Jun16?language=printer

    Can we now stop with the silly garbage about Saddam and ObL now? Cheney and those who parrot him (are you listening Sly?) should be ashamed that they purposely continued to spread this lie in order to justify an illegal war.
     
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    One would have thought this would be enough to stop the silly garbage, but it won't be. Never let the truth spoil the clarity of your message. :rolleyes:
     
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    Today's Headline-Dept of Home Land Security Renamed to the Gestapo
    Tomorrow's Headline-Bush's Gestapo Arrests 9/11 Panel for Lying.
     
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    Now, Now, no Nazi comparisons. That is only allowed if you are talking about Michael Moore. You might be let slide if you are referring to some other left-wing activist or John Kerry, otherwise it is verboten! Didn't you get the memo? ;)
     
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    It would be hard to make this stuff up.

    Bush backs Cheney on assertion linking Hussein, Al Qaeda

    By Michael Kranish and Bryan Bender, Globe Staff *|* June 16, 2004

    WASHINGTON -- President Bush yesterday defended Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion this week that Saddam Hussein had longstanding ties with Al Qaeda, even as critics charged that the White House had no new proof of a connection.

    At a news conference with Afghan president Hamid Karzai, Bush stood by his vice president, saying Hussein ''had ties to terrorist organizations," though he did not specifically mention Al Qaeda . . .

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda?mode=PF
     
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    Did I say 'terrorist organizations'? I meant he had ties to 'terrorist organization program related activities'. :p
     
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    Hell, the US had more ties to Al Qeada and the Taliban than Iraq did.

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    waiting to be liberated
     
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    Please, for the love of all that is sacred, everyone vote Bush out!

    Lee Tom
     
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    Never mind just voting Bush out, how about all those Republicans that vote only for their own views ignoring the voters that put them in?

    I have had only one Republican representative say that they supported XYZ issue because it was the way the voters wanted. Every single other one said THEY did not support the opposing view.

    Time to vote these neo-nazis out!
     
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    bush officially disputes the finding...

    link

     
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    What, precisely, are Bush and Cheney disputing? The administration came up to, but as far as I can tell, never crossed over the line to claim Iraqi involvement with 9-11, and apparently the commission agrees with the basic conclusion. They also seem to agree that Saddam and al-Qaida had some sort of "relationship." How the administration characterizes this relationship differently from the 9-11 Commission is completely unclear to me. Aren't they being foolish to even open their mouths on this issue?
     
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    I think it's because they keep saying that the occupation of Iraq is part of the War on Terror, knowing full well that their actions have triggered the explosion of resistance.
     
  13. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

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    From the original post:

    The administration has been using ties to al Qaeda to justify the military action in Iraq.

    Most that truly try to follow the lip service of the administration, have not heard a tie in to 9-11 and Iraq. What we did here was that al Qaeda and Iraq were working together, and that was a threat. We are now seeing proof otherwise. And 800+ American men and women have lost their lives for these lies. Not to mention the lives of innocent Iraqis, and the maiming on both sides. Over $87 billion of our tax dollars are being wasted on these lies.
     
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    WOW, over $450 each for every man, woman, and child....
     
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    Yes, but they could easily have said, "The commission verified what we've been saying all along about the relationship between Saddam and al-Qaida," and been done with it. The message they're sending now is a complete muddle.
     
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    Right on the first charge, but not on the second. Several administration officials implied a working relationship, but as nearly as I can tell (and I have several of the key quotes), they allowed themselves ample wiggle-room. Now that they could really use the wiggle-room, instead they seem to be boxing themselves in politically by publicly disputing the 9-11 Commission's findings in a way which isn't even very clear. It just makes no sense to me, and worse yet for the administration, it only reminds people who care about these things that Bush steadfastly opposed the formation of the commission.

    I have only one guess where they're headed with this. They might be laying the groundwork for discrediting the commission when their full findings are released.
     
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    from this NYT op/ed piece

     
  20. numediaman thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    And Bush has requested that the education budget for 2005 be what? (Answer: $57.3 billion)
     
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    Bush and Cheney best not try to discredit the Commission themselves. Since they refused to testify under oath. Might save them at least one impeachment trial.
     
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    There's already some danger that the commission won't issue a unanimous report. By openly disputing their conclusions now, the administration might be attempting to wedge the commission into partisan camps, so when the report(s) are issued, they can point to the unfavorable parts and dismiss them as entirely political.
     
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    It's interesting that no Republicans on the commission have come out to dispute the staff report. Kean has as much as endorsed it. If Bush is counting on splitting the commission on this issue, I think he may be having false hopes. Divisions will be more likely if the staff is critical of the Bush administration around its lack of activity on terrorism before 9/11.

    Off topic. Are you hearing footsteps yet, IJ? This season maybe interesting after all. ;)
     
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    Tiny steps, seem so real...

    You were such a gentleman not to mention the recent Dodger free-fall. It's become a three-team division, no question.
     

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