9 day Penna gun/outdoor show cancelled due to outrage over firearms ban

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    glocke12

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    Keep reading these gun threads here that essentially portray gun owners as sad cases, people with ego problems, mental issues, masculinity problems etc, and keep getting told over and over again how the majority of Americans do not want these weapons in public hands, and have also been told how they have no legitimate sporting use and how "true sportsman" do not want them around.

    News flash...actions speak louder than words.

    In my home state of PA there WAS going to be a huge hunting and outdoor themed exhibit that ran for 9 days. In the past, there were vendors displaying semi-auto firearms. This year, Reed Exhibitions (U.K. base go figure) BANNED anyone from displaying semi-auto weapons. The response was that MANY vendors and sponsors, most that have nothing at all to do with firearms and some with over 9,000 sq ft of floor space reserved boycotted the show and and decided to NOT attend in support of the Second Amendment and their gun owning brethren.

    This decision is not something that was to be taken lightly for some of these people. Many had already spent thousands of dollars preparing displays for this show, many more depend on this show to generate income for the coming year.

    http://www.exhibitionworld.co.uk/newsdetails/2540/media-storm-forces-reed-to-cancel-hunting-show

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/9-Day-Gun-Show-Postponed-For-Now-188235341.html

    Here is the complete list of vendors that have pulled out because of Reeds decision. SOrry for the length, but it is important that people understand it is not just gun groups pulling out.

    So, tell me again that we are in the minority in the shooting world, that we are all mentally ill, have masculinity problems, etc...if thats the case than the same applies to ALL of these people/entities in this list. Including a company that makes boats, not guns, and a company that only makes log cabins.


    2 Million Bullets.
    24/7 Hunting TV.
    Absaroke-Beartooth Outfitters
    Alaska’s Ravencroft Lodge.
    Alaskan Outdoors TV.
    Ambush Firearms
    American Whitetails of PA.
    Antler Insanity
    Apex Tactical
    Appalachian Big Game TV.
    Archery Tag
    Arrowhead Outdoors
    Artistic Visions Wildlife Studio.
    Athens Archery
    Atlantic Tactical
    Atsko, Inc. / Sno-Seal Inc.
    Avian X Decoys.
    Backwoods Whitetails Outfitters.
    Bad Boy Inc.
    Bad Dog Accessories.
    Banded Calls
    Bangin Redhedz Turkey Gear.
    Bear Archery
    Beavertail Products
    Big Game Butter.
    Blitz TV
    Body Guard 360.
    Bohning Archery
    Boulder Basin Outfitters.
    Boondock Outdoors
    Bow Hunter’s Den.
    Bow Life, LLC.
    Bramco / Golden Valley Enterprises.
    Briley Outfitters
    Buck Bomb
    Burt Coyote Lumenok.
    C&D Outfitters
    Cabela’s
    Camo Addiction
    Campbell Cameras
    CanCooker
    Central Penn Sporting Clays & Game Preserve.
    Chaparral Hunting Adventures.
    Cochrane River Outfitters.
    Cody Turkey Calls.
    Cold Steel Knives.
    Combative Edge
    Continental Divide Outfitters.
    Cross Canyon Arms.
    Cutting Edge Bullets.
    Darkwoods Blind
    DCVR
    Dead Ringer
    Deer and Deer Hunting.com.
    Direct Action Tactical Firearms.
    Dirty Buck Soap and Scents.
    Dirty Dog Outdoors.
    Domari Nolo Defense Consulting.
    Dominance is Everything Hunting System.
    Dominator 365
    Dokken Oakridge Kennels.
    Down N Dirty Outdoors.
    Drakes Migration Nation.
    Driven TV
    Droptine Outfitters
    DuckWater Boats
    Dunn Knives
    Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation.
    Eastern Outdoors
    Easton Bow Hunting.
    Excalibur Crossbow US, Inc.
    Farmland Trophies Outfitting.
    Fear No Evil.
    Field Proven Calls.
    Firearms Industry Consulting Group.
    Firenock
    Fish Outdoor Properties.
    Flatline Productions
    Flyway Custom Sales.
    Foiles Migrators, Inc.
    Forbes Turkey Calls.
    FOXPRO High Performance Game Calls.
    Full Circle Outdoors.
    Furtakers TV
    GhillieSuits.com
    Ghost River Outfitters – Alberta.
    Goey Hunting Calls.
    Gone Wild Outdoors.
    Goodling Rifles
    Grand-Safari.com – South Africa/Tanzania/Cameroon.
    Gut N Tag, LLC.
    Hart Rifles
    H.S. Specialities
    Heartland Whitetails
    Herd Guard
    Hevi-Shot
    High Lonesome Outfitters.
    HookHunt
    Hoyt Archery Inc.
    Honey Creek Outfitters.
    Hunter Safety Systems.
    Hunter Specialties w/ Rick White.
    Hunters and Guides Connection.
    Hunters Comfort, LLC.
    Hunter’s Specialties
    Huntin’ Is Good! TV
    IceHole Coolers
    International Bowhunting Organization.
    Iron Kin Hunt Club.
    IScope
    J & M Traditions.
    Katahdin’s Shadow Outfitters.
    Keystone Country Store.
    Keystone Elk Country Alliance.
    King of the Mountain Inc.
    Kinsey’s Outdoors
    Kodabow
    Lac Suzie Outfitter.
    Lancaster Archery Supply.
    Lanco Tactical
    Leupold & Stevens Inc.
    Lone Oak Retreivers.
    Major League Bowhunter.
    Masterpiece Outdoors, Inc.
    Men in Treestands Productions.
    Midwest Whitetail Adventures.
    Mindful of Nature LLC.
    Montana Mountain West Outfitters.
    Montana Whitetails
    Mountain Dog Chews.
    Mountain Hollow Game Calls.
    Muddy Outdoors
    Muskie Moose, LLC.
    NasHunt Outdoors
    National Wild Turkey Federation.
    Nature Blinds, LLC.
    NasHunt Outdoors
    National Rifle Association.
    Northern Hideaway Outfitters.
    Northern Outdoor Lodge.
    Northern Wilderness Outfitters.
    North Mountain Pepper Works.
    O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.
    Old Goat Outdoors.
    Open Season TV.
    Outdoor Channel Outfitters.
    Outdoor Edge Knives.
    Outdoor Specialist Group.
    Outdoorsnative.com
    Ozonics Hunting
    PA Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.
    PA Taxidermist Association, Inc.
    Pat Strawser Custom Calls.
    Pennsylvania Trappers Assoc.
    Perry’s No Peep Archery Sights.
    Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve.
    Predator Hunting Mounts.
    Primal Urge Outdoors.
    Primos Hunting Calls.
    Proc’s Huntin Buddy.
    PSE Archery
    QDMA (PA Chapter).
    Radical Hunter
    Ranew’s Outdoor Equipment.
    Red Star Arms.
    Reflections Of The Wild.
    Revolution Hunting
    Rhino Outdoors
    Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.
    Rougeaux Taxidermy
    Rough Country Outfitters.
    Ruger Firearms
    Rydon Corporation
    S & W Outfitter.
    Savco LLC
    Sean Mann Outdoors.
    SecureIt Tactical
    Shootingthex.com
    SK Knives
    Skull Shine
    Smith and Wesson.
    Southern Game Calls.
    Southwest Outdoors / Cherry Creek Lodge.
    Spook Span
    SportEAR
    Sportsmen of North America TV.
    Starkey Hollow Whitetails.
    State Line Bone Mine.
    Staudt’s Gun Shop.
    Stay Ready Inc.
    Stokerized Stabilizers
    Strother Archery
    Summit County Outfitters.
    Summit Treestands
    Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Assoc.
    Table Mountain Outfitters.
    Team Overkill
    Team Urban Nocks.
    Ten Point Crossbows.
    The Bear Whisperer.
    The Outdoor Loop.
    The Sportsman’s Shop.
    The Warmbag
    ThermaCell
    Thompson Center Arms.
    Timberline Outfitters
    TNT Archery
    Tough Country
    Trijicon, Inc
    Triple Mag TV.
    Trop Gun Shop.
    Turnbull Manufacturing
    U Slide Bow Hunter.
    Ultimate Camo
    Umax Outdoors
    Upper Canyon Outfitters.
    Wallaston Lake Lodge.
    Tex Mex Outdoors.
    The Outdoors Channel.
    The Warmbag
    Watson Air Lock.
    Watt’s Truck Center.
    Whitetail Adrenanline
    Whitetail Bosses
    Whitetail Freaks
    Whitetail Heaven Outdoors.
    Whitewolfsurvivalsupply.com
    Wilburn Outdoors / Millennium Tree Stands.
    Wildlife Studios Premiere Taxidermy.
    Wired Outdoors
    Woodcock Limited of Pennsylvania.
    X-Stand Treestands
    Zink Calls
    Zook Cabins

    Speaker / Celebrites Pulled Out (37).
    Abner Druckenmiller – Furtakers TV.
    Angie & Scott Denny – THE LIFE at Table Mountain.
    Blaine Anthony, The Bear Whisperer.
    Bob Folkrod
    Bob Mercier
    Brad Farris – Primos.
    Buck Buckannon
    Chris Brackett
    Eddie Salter
    Fred Eichler – Fulldraw Outfitters.
    Greg Zipadelli
    Hal Shaffer
    Jamie Gray
    Jay Gregory
    J Paul Jackson – Drakes Migration nation.
    Jim and Eva Shockey.
    Jimmy Primos – Primos.
    Josh Miller – SportDOG.
    Kevin Knighton
    Kyle Wieter
    Larry Weishuhn
    Lee & Tiffany Lakosky “The Crush“.
    Marc Anthony – Speaker / Pro Hunter.
    Mark Night
    Matt Morett
    Max Row
    Michael Lee
    Mike Stroff – Savage Outdoors TV.
    Montana Whitetails
    Nicole Jones
    Pat Reeves
    Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo – Archers Choice.
    Sean Mann
    Stan Potts
    Bone Collector
    Tom Dokken
    Trent Cole
    Woody Sullivan

    Other Boycott Supporters (47).
    Advantage Taxidermy Studio Inc.
    American Tactical Imports.
    Anything About Guns.
    Backwoods Life
    Bloodline With Alex Ruthledge.
    Blue Rock Outfitters.
    Bowfreakz.com
    Bowhunting.com
    Bowhunter Planet
    Bowhunting Addiction TV.
    Broken Arrow Wilderness.
    Bowhunters TV
    Chasing Trophy Whitetails.
    Citizens for a Responsibly Armed Society.
    Crossbow Nation
    Dave’s House of Hair, Harrisburg PA.
    Dead Dog Walkin’ TV.
    Driven TV
    Drop Zone TV.
    Eddie Salter
    Family Traditions TV.
    Gene & Barry Wensel.
    Haley Heath
    Hank Parker
    Hard Core Hunting TV.
    Horton Crossbows
    Hunt Wicked Close TV.
    Idaho Center of Emergency Medical Training.
    Just Kill’n Time TV.
    Keystone Gun Sales.
    Mark & Beau Rodgers – Real Deal Outdoors.
    Mosquito Creek Outdoors, FL.
    NebraskaOutfitter.com
    Needleman & Pisano.
    Off Grid Survival.
    OrgaPro Ltd.
    Racing To Hunt TV.
    Roger Raglin
    Shelly & Tara Seiler – Working for Whitetails TV.
    Stanley Scruggs Hunting Products.
    Team Bone Thugs.
    The Banded Nation TV.
    The Best Of The West TV.
    The Fowl Life TV.
    The Kronik Hunter and staff.
    The Pennsylvania Crossbow Federation.
    The Resistence TV.
    Wyvern Creations
     
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    Read: companies profit over the wants of a market segment.

    Surprised the list wasn't longer.
     
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    You know, you can spin this any way that suits you. The bottom line is that the sporting community was outraged by Reeds actions and banded together to boycott this years show. There are simply no if's, ands, or buts.

    There are companies that decided to boycott that will lose alot of business this year.
     
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    Your likely wrong about those numbers.

    Some that were planning to go to that show will likely be out hunting.
     
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    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    You really can't have it both ways.
     
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    Good on them. Go put holes in things, maybe they can feel strong for a time.
     
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    Yawn.

    All done for marketing. Their businesses are in grave danger if other gun shows decide to do this.
     
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    quote of the truth. This is not about protesting but more about marketing.
     
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    Is this the part where I'm supposed to feel bad for them?
     
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    That's one of the biggest problems I have with the whole gun movement today. The NRA was founded as a resource for hunters but today it's sole purpose seems to further Rambo/conspiracy theorist types.

    USA Today

    So, obviously, a lot fewer people than you would like are out hunting. And, it's actually causing a problem, especially in broad sections of suburbia and exurban areas. Deer have become a pest species in many areas. Texas is overrun by feral pigs, but since they're so challenging to hunt the state has to hire hunters to kill them. All those suburban gun owners evidently can't be bothered to do something constructive with their guns.
     
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    A few excerpts left to talk about.

    So, from your point of view, Cabela's, a sporting goods store I am slightly familiar with, bravely pulled out, at a financial cost to themselves, in order to support the second amendment rights of X,Y, and Z "Tactical"?

    An alternative explanation is that they were intimidated by the gun crazies and were afraid they would be boycotted or subjected to a smear campaign so they pulled out like everyone else.

    So, remind me why X, Y, and Z "Tactical" are showing up at a hunting-oriented show to begin with? (And while you are at it, remind me how to use an AR-15 with the rapid fire stock to hunt.)

    The fact is that these companies make a lot of money supporting the lunatic fringe and its fear of black UN helicopters.
     
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    From the NRA faq
    Hunting was not a focus of theirs until after World War II
    From a New York Times article

     
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    My bad, but it still doesn't address how the NRA is turning from a responsible lobby into one that seemingly ignores hunting while furthering rambo/conspiracy types.

    As a matter of fact, hunting seems almost entirely absent from the current national debate and that only shows how strongly the NRA is pushing their own agenda at the expense of legitimate users.
     
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    Well there isn't a whole lot of debate withdeer hunting, so what are they supposed to talk about in that respect?
     
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    Just a quick question, since this statement seems to imply that this was going against the second amendment, how is a private company deciding not to allow semi-auto weapons at their exhibit going against the second amendment that says that government can't ban weapons? Or are you suggesting that everyone should be required to display these kinds of weapons, in which case wouldn't that be big government interfering with private business?
     
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    "You are either for us or against us."
     
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    My point is that hunting has become almost a totally unimportant aspect of the gun debate. I think few Americans would argue that guns used for hunting are not important and necessary. It's much harder to argue the necessity of guns used to shoot at a target.
     
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    No problem, I just wanted to clarify.

    I do not agree with everything that the NRA says or does. The NRA still provides a lot of resources towards hunter safety and law enforcement instructor certification.

    The only mention of hunting in the national debate, are those that are pushing the "you don't need an AR-15 to hunt." A lot of states do not even allow the .223 round be used for hunting, not to mention the limit on magazine capacity.
     
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    This.

    I thought these gun types typically were free market guys, they have a problem with a private company putting rules on their own gun show? What happened to freedom guys? How dare we try to impose our will and force this helpless company to display assault style weapons? :p
     
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    The constitutional right to keep and bare arms was not instituted for hunting animals anyways. It is fairly clear that the right to bare arms was implemented so that normal people could form a militia if needed. The NRA has been a protector of this right, guns just happen to be useful for hunting as well.
     
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    They do, but, speaking for myself, I would prefer my local law enforcement get its instruction from an organization that doesn't have a political/economic agenda to promote the sales of weapons.

    I'm one of those "you don't need an AR-15 to hunt" types myself. Are we in agreement about that?
     
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    They train the instructors, not the police force.


    Based on what?
     
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    One theory - it promotes sales of new guns. Already sold guns have a long, long useful life so there's not much turnover generating new sales based on old guns being replaced.

    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/guns-and-dollars/why-so-many-guns-one-thing-its-business
     
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    OK, speaking for myself, I would prefer my local law enforcement get its instruction from instructors trained by an organization that doesn't have a political/economic agenda to promote the sales of weapons.

    Apparently not.

    Whether it is legal to hunt deer with .223 ammunition or not in some particular state doesn't concern me. Nobody needs an AR15 to hunt deer. Nobody needs a 30-round magazine to hunt deer. Maybe it would come in handy for someone licensed to exterminate wild boar, but, for normal hunting, nobody needs these weapons. Weapons should have a legitimate, legal purpose.
     

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