A different President for a different Nation...

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  1. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    OK, I thought i'd change the pace up a little bit...we'll see how it goes...

    I am curious of peoples' opinions of which of these will acheive the Presidency of the United States first (with the option of why):

    1. A Woman
    2. An Afro-American Man
    3. An Asian-American Man
    4. A Mexican-American/Hispanic Man
    5. A Foreign-born Citizen
    6. A Single Man
    7. A Homosexual Man
    8. A Muslim

    I admit is is not a comprehensive list, and I explicitly left out the female examples of 2-7 for the obvious reason implicit in 1...Feel free to regard 8 as you wish.

    Depending on how you wish to respond, you may name your opinion of a likely candidate, which party they will belong to, and in what time frame you expect this to come about, as well as reasons (demographic/cultural shifts etc)...please add to this as you see fit...and do keep it civil, please...

    I will post my answer tomorrow afternoon, after some thought...

    hopefully this will be an illuminating discussion...
     
  2. mouchoir macrumors 6502a

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    My re-order.

    1. A Woman/afro-american woman
    2. A Mexican-American/Hispanic Man
    3. An Afro-American Man
    4. A Single Man
    5. An Asian-American Man
    6. A Homosexual Man
    7. A Muslim
    8. A Foreign-born Citizen

    Ok. I'm thinking a woman, or an afro-american woman will be the first from your list.

    If Hilary Clinton steps up for the 2008 election (depending on if Bush has changed the constitution in order to stand a third term 'you shouldn't change president in a time of war' apparantly) I think she would stand a chance. She's a better looking, more intelligent version of Bill.

    The afro-american woman would be down to Oprah deciding to run.

    A few years ago I would've gone for no.2 as Colin Powell appeared to have some integrity but that's gone out the window.

    A single man only if he is a widower.

    A muslim – c'mon, read the papers.

    And I can remember reading in the constitution that a foreign born citizen cannot become president. You have to be born on american soil. Which is a damn good thing as that rules out that facist schwarznegger, currently governing california.
     
  3. Stelliform macrumors 68000

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    That was going to be my only modification. Before Hillary I would have never thought that a woman would be president so soon. I would have put african american first. But I have seen that things can change drastically during a 4 to 8 year term, so I don't think that any order could be guess with a large amount of confidence.
     
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    Afro-American Muslim lesbian in 2012. According to the Mayans, the world will end on December 23rd 2012 anyway, so she'll have her hands full...
     
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    For reasons that others have already noted, I just can't imagine any of the last four categories being elected.

    I am going to go out on a limb and say that of the categories you proposed, it will be a Mexican-American/Hispanic man. I don't have anyone in mind, it's just a hunch. I seem to be hearing more and more about up-and-coming Hispanic mayors, governors, etc.

    As far as women go, the obvious contender is Hillary Clinton, but she is such a polarizing figure I don't see how she could get elected. And other than HRC, I can't think of any other women (Democrat or Republican) who are likely choices, either.

    I just don't hear a lot about Asian-American politicians, so I guess I'm having trouble imagining an Asian-American presidential candidate. But if some strong Asian-American candidate emerged I think he would stand a fine chance of winning the presidency.

    With African-Americans, it's a touchy situation. It seems like there would have to be a significant shift in how African-Americans pick their leaders. Most of the powerful black Democrats are (often unfairly) perceived by whites as falling into either the "angry Black man" category (e.g. Kweisi Mfume) or the "cartoon character" category (e.g. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) and would have a hard time getting widespread support. On the other hand, a black Republican candidate (e.g. Colin Powell, J.C. Watts, Jr.) would have a tough time getting elected because a lot of the traditional black leadership organizations (such as the NAACP) would demonize him as an Uncle Tom.

    It's an interesting question, and I'm looking forward to seeing the other responses.
     
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    8. as others pointed out, foreign born citizen cannot be elected president unless the constitution is changed.
    I am not sure if they can become president if they're next in the line of succession. Are those posts precluded as well? Anyone?

    6. I believe Buchanan was single, so there is a precedent. of course the question is still valid. just nitpicking :)

    7. I wouldn't bet my farm there weren't closet precedents for this too ;)

    I think people would elect a single man if he was a good candidate, and a woman would have a good shot too (especially a republican).
    Unfortuantely, I don't think we're mature enough to get a minority in office yet, much less an openly gay person or a muslim
     
  8. sorryiwasdreami macrumors 6502a

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    I think it’s possible we have excluded an important choice in the list. Not that any of the listed choices couldn't be this, but a third party candidate would be a valuable addition. For example, the addition of a person on the Libertarian, Green, Reform, Independent, Freedom Socialist Party / Radical Women, Grassroots, etc, etc party, would be fitting.

    Of the choices on the current list, I would have to say a woman; and that woman (I agree with others) would be Hillary Clinton. In second place I would say a third party alternative, and after that…single man.

    Shamefully, The United States of America is, on the whole, still way too racist and conservative to elect an African, Mexican, Asian, Muslim, or homosexual president. We will sadly keep this mentality for many, many years to come; probably at least a hundred years.
     
  9. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    There is also speculation about whether Buchanan was gay. We may already have had our first homosexual President and not know about it. If it is true, and there is a great controversy about such a claim's validity, it is not someone to be very proud about as he was one of the worst Presidents this country has ever had.

    I think we may well see a woman as President or Vice-President in the next 4 to 8 years. Hillary is a logical choice, but if Kerry and Edwards win in November and 4 years from now, a strong Edwards ticket in 2012 would be in a position to put a woman and/or a African American or Latino on the ticket. If Kerry and Edwards lose in November, a woman at the top of the ticket or as the VP candidate in 2008 is not unlikely at all.
     
  10. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    A Jewish president was omitted from the list, which is interesting, because had Gore won in 2000, we'd have had our first Jewish occupant of the White House. I have wondered whether Lieberman's presence on the ticket didn't make the difference on the downside for the Democrats in 2000. A great many people would never vote for a Jew, and you don't have to listen very closely to hear it.
     
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    It is interesting that both Kerry and Wesley Clark have jewish ancestors (in Kerry's case his paternal grandfather) and I expected to see more anti-Semitism on the question of family history in this campaign from rabid conservatives. I'm guessing I'm not reading the "right" sources. Let's hope that it stays out of the race.
     
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    You should pull on your hip-waders and wander over to the Yahoo message boards sometime. The stuff people spout over there is practically medieval.
     
  13. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    I think I'll pass if it's as bad as you say. Do you think we will see some "push polling" from Karl Rove's favorite thug, David Bossie, on the issue? Remember he was the one who had caller's asking about McCain's "black child" in the 2000 South Carolina race. I'm hoping this stays relatively free of this kind of bigotry, but given the history of the Bush campaign (Hitler ads etc.) it's not too likely.
     
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    Frohickey, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you hate the designation of some Americans with hyphenated adjectives.
     
  16. Frohickey macrumors 6502a

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    Designation?

    I hate the 'need' to have any designation for a hyphenated-American.
    You are a citizen, or you have made a sufficient connection with this country and its inhabitants, you are AMERICAN.
    It doesn't matter where you came from.
    It doesn't matter where your parents came from.
    It doesn't even matter if your parents did not come from the same place.

    You are AMERICAN, same as me. And being an AMERICAN, same as me, you enjoy the SAME rights and privileges of being one, same as I enjoy the SAME rights and privileges as you do.

    Choosing to have a hyphenated designation seems to me to be a desire for additional recognition or status, and as an AMERICAN, I feel that to be undesirable, offensive, and unAMERICAN. Everyone here is EQUAL.

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    On a different note, why is the ad for Free Screensavers, above, not compatible with Macs? Isn't that a bit inappropriate/misleading for a Mac site?
     
  17. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    The last group you said you hated was "posers." Turns out you didn't have a defensible reason for that hatred, and from what I've seen, you haven't got one for this hatred either.

    I'm not a huge fan of hyphenations, but when people do hyphenate, they're usually identifying themselves with an ethnic heritage, not trying to confer a special status upon themselves.
     
  18. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    My point was that your original post could easily be read that you hate the people themselves. While I agree with your desire for equality, that doesn't mean it exists for all people. We could easily turn this into a thread about how such equality can come about in the real world, not in rhetoric, but that isn't what this thread is about. This is about when the roadblocks for some our citizens will be overcome specifically in case of the office of the President. Perhaps we can confine our remarks to that unless you want to start another thread.
     
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    at this point, i'm only interested in a president who i feel is acting in the best interests of:
    - the constitution
    - the constituents
    - the entire world
     
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    No they cannot. Madeline Albright and Henry Kissinger would both have been in line for succession had they not been foreign born. The Secretary of State is 4th in line after the VP, Speaker of the House and President Pro-Tem of the Senate.
     
  21. blackfox thread starter macrumors 65816

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    OK, first let me address a couple issues brought up..

    1)I know the constitution prohibits foreign-born citizens from being President, but there is a decent possibility of that amendment being repealed in the coming years, perhaps a greater possibility than the election of one of the other categories...sorry not to make that clearer.

    2)My apologies about the "bachelor" President, I was not aware...

    3) I thought about including a Jewish President, but personally I do not make that much of a distinction for Jews in America. This is probably incorrect, but I generally don't make religious distinctions with the people I know...

    4) Third-Party Candidate should have been on my list, but I forgot. Guess that shows how much of a chance I feel of that happening...

    5)Skunk, you are a smart-a**.

    As far as my prediction, I believe that it wil be a woman. There is a possibility that it will be Hillary, but she is a polarizing candidate. There are, however, a great amount of excellent potential candidates to choose from in Politics that are women, more so (imo) than any of the other designations that I listed, and will certainly appeal to a large demographic. I believe this will come about in 2012 (at the earliest), probably 2016. Probably a Democrat.

    There is a good possibility of a Hispanic President also, as the associated demographic grows (in number and influence), and I am sure there are decent candidates out there, particularily in the South. Probably a Republican, though could go either way...

    There is also a chance of Arrnold becoming President w/ if the constitution was amended, and he does a decent job of Governance in the meantime...I am not holding my breath, though.
     
  22. skunk macrumors G4

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    Aw, shucks! :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't need a defensible reason for any hatred. I hate terrorists because they smell bad. I hate okra. I hate posers. And I hate hyphenated-Americans.
     
  24. Frohickey macrumors 6502a

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    I would stop at the first two.

    The rest of the world can fend for themselves... or they can petition for statehood. ;) :eek: :D
     
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    That about says it all... the complete, self-contained excuse for bigotry of all kinds.
     

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